intheinbetween
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and it might not, that's my point, just a rumour
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[GameBlog Rumor] - Developers disclosing problems with Xbox One drivers [Updated]
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and it might not, that's my point, just a rumour
Crimson_Gold
Member
And made in reference to previous claims that this could occur with games that will be released on PS4/X1.
The comment is completely relevant.
OT: MS, get your drivers in order please.
SarcasticD
Member
Miles Quaritch
Member
Barely and he's responding to a what if question...
I don't believe developers will have their hands tied by MS. It's never been the case in the past, but suddenly it will be? Come on.
A big French developer? Who could that be....
Also, this forced parity is not good, why would they do this? If Microsoft felt "insulted" what could they do? Not let third-parties develop for their system?
Microsoft is a cancer for the gaming industry with their awful bussiness practices, they haven't changed a bit
Probably Ubisoft
Also, this forced parity is not good, why would they do this? If Microsoft felt "insulted" what could they do? Not let third-parties develop for their system?
Microsoft is a cancer for the gaming industry with their awful bussiness practices, they haven't changed a bit
eddfromtheriver
Banned
I was thinking of buying my first MS console... nope... now i most certainly never will.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
You think everyone is going to read every single post and check who made the posts?
Good enough to hate on MS some more.
These threads are so predictable. I'm getting a PS4(over a X1), but the sony fanboys are shitting up so many threads are so tiring.
Chobel
Member
Really? is this the best argument you could come up with?
yosp is talking about EDGE article, which mention forcing parity for political reason, And more importantly yosp is replying to a tweet that has "castrate PS4 build".
And what does 10 days change?
GrizzleBoy
Banned
Holy crap, the drama, the panic, the urgency.
About an unconfirmed rumour. Is this the GOP?
About an unconfirmed rumour. Is this the GOP?
No, it's a vague speculatory tweet that amounts to nothing. "Some people are like that" from 10 days ago what the hell does that even mean? And is it a fact now? I'd think GAF has better standards than the fanboy nonsense Im seeing in this thread
RedRooster
Member
The good news is, as MS fixes and improves these suposed broken ass drivers(and you know they will), it'll just improve the games for PS4 as well. So Sony owners should be hoping for MS success, instead of threatening to boycott them. You NEED MS to pull this off.
TrojanBlade
Member
I said 'most likely' that is the reason. I believe that if a game on X1 is running 900/30fps, PS4 can do 1080p/30fps for the same. Not saying it can do 1080/60fps but 1080/30 is very reasonable with that extra juice in PS4.
intheinbetween
Member
I'm getting both on launch day, but I can't believe the crazy talk in so many threads as you said.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
So if it was true (with some developers) back then... now just because it's a different article (but touching on the same subject), the YOSP tweet is no longer accurate?
So to avoid pissing off Micorsoft they gimp the PS4 version to achieve parity?
Wouldn't that piss off Sony?
There's no point on achieving parity. These consoles need to be used to their fullest potential as long as that doesn't mean huge increases on dec time. You can't show favoritism. Most of us are buying PS4 for its power advantage.
TO THE DEVS: if you gimp your PS4 game and I find out about it, I won't buy it.
Wouldn't that piss off Sony?
There's no point on achieving parity. These consoles need to be used to their fullest potential as long as that doesn't mean huge increases on dec time. You can't show favoritism. Most of us are buying PS4 for its power advantage.
TO THE DEVS: if you gimp your PS4 game and I find out about it, I won't buy it.
Maybe this is why Sony is punching 1080p across the board...because they know XBO can't handle it for all games so it'll be a reverse of this gen where X360 got all the native HD games and PS3 got titles upscaled from sub HD, instant 'win' on most face offs showing the XBO is weaker.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
That's just PR talk right? Just like when someone from MS speaks and is met with an instant... "PR talk!"
Krusenstern
Banned
Well, I hope you're right and MS won't interfere in the work of said devs.
And I also hope the backlash is going to be big if this turns out to be completely true.
If its for 'political' reasons and not technical reasons why should I hope for their success? Supporting the hostage-taker?
Iacobellis
Junior Member
A giant "FUCK YOU!" goes to out Microsoft for this console parity crap.
You skimped out on hardware, you're fucking up with your APIs, just admit you fucked up! Just because Sony worked their asses off for six years doesn't mean they should be forced to have their multiplatform games look like ass when the PS4 can clearly handle better.
You skimped out on hardware, you're fucking up with your APIs, just admit you fucked up! Just because Sony worked their asses off for six years doesn't mean they should be forced to have their multiplatform games look like ass when the PS4 can clearly handle better.
intheinbetween
Member
it's yosp, that couldn't be pr talk..
Doubtful of this being the case, now the clarification has been made regarding this being a "might" rather than a confirmation.
Even if this happens, I cannot see it happening for long, Let's imagine a scenario:
there are two competing games being released on xb1/ps4, game A and game B. There is a similar PS4 exclusive game C.
Now Game A is parity for both versions, Game B is an improved PS4 version and Game C is obviously pushing the hardware as a first party game.
Game C and Game B are going to leave Game A behind, Game A can't compete with Game B or C and suffers in sales as it's simply not as good, How do you think the sequel to Game A is going to be?
I'd say the sequel would abandon parity and try and compete with Game B and Game C.
If Sony first party are going to be pushing the hardware to the same extent as they did with the PS3, the multiplatform games will need to try and compete or there will be a gulf in quality and people WILL notice.
I love these "microsoft will work on it" posts, I especially love the Assumption that the PS4 tools will not be improved in the same time frame...
Even if this happens, I cannot see it happening for long, Let's imagine a scenario:
there are two competing games being released on xb1/ps4, game A and game B. There is a similar PS4 exclusive game C.
Now Game A is parity for both versions, Game B is an improved PS4 version and Game C is obviously pushing the hardware as a first party game.
Game C and Game B are going to leave Game A behind, Game A can't compete with Game B or C and suffers in sales as it's simply not as good, How do you think the sequel to Game A is going to be?
I'd say the sequel would abandon parity and try and compete with Game B and Game C.
If Sony first party are going to be pushing the hardware to the same extent as they did with the PS3, the multiplatform games will need to try and compete or there will be a gulf in quality and people WILL notice.
I love these "microsoft will work on it" posts, I especially love the Assumption that the PS4 tools will not be improved in the same time frame...
Any multiplat that is parity has been gimped. Simple as. There are no excuses.
If that occurs and I still quite like the game, I will buy it used. How do you like them apples?
Realistically this won't last too long, PS4 will be drumming out quite a substantial lead in sales if nothing extraordinary happens, with attach ratio fuelled by the hardcore's preference and evangelisation of the console. If Sony feels some are taking the piss with the gimping, they can call them out on it or threaten to call them out on it. If it's a case of missed profits, there would be greater profits to miss on the PS4 version.
The gimping will be a temporary phenomenon.
If that occurs and I still quite like the game, I will buy it used. How do you like them apples?
Realistically this won't last too long, PS4 will be drumming out quite a substantial lead in sales if nothing extraordinary happens, with attach ratio fuelled by the hardcore's preference and evangelisation of the console. If Sony feels some are taking the piss with the gimping, they can call them out on it or threaten to call them out on it. If it's a case of missed profits, there would be greater profits to miss on the PS4 version.
The gimping will be a temporary phenomenon.
googleplex
Member
I've said it once, and I'll say it again.
Microsoft's continued presence and influence is bad for the industry.
Microsoft's continued presence and influence is bad for the industry.
PC already has the practice of "better with Nvidia/AMD" bullcrap.
Sony fan boys like to get their feathers ruffled, anything other than 1080 60fps has to be the Xbox fault even when first party titles are not all managing that perfectly, and frame rate issues are still being reported from eurogamer, cillax its unlikely that any dev would make a change if the difference was that slight especially if it was expected to be resolved by a driver update.
Its interesting to note however report seems to suggest the issue is that of drivers not of power...... If the Xbox had good drivers it would be as powerful (delivering the same) as the ps4, so where is the 50% pixel advantage if this is a software story?
if it is a temp driver issue and now updates are free why bother altering one to please the other when you know a fix is coming soon and a silent patch can be rolled out, only DF is going to see the difference between 900 and 1080 prior patch anyhow. Plus leaving it needing the patch helps to emphasise the issue to Microsoft so they pull their finger out.
Its interesting to note however report seems to suggest the issue is that of drivers not of power...... If the Xbox had good drivers it would be as powerful (delivering the same) as the ps4, so where is the 50% pixel advantage if this is a software story?
if it is a temp driver issue and now updates are free why bother altering one to please the other when you know a fix is coming soon and a silent patch can be rolled out, only DF is going to see the difference between 900 and 1080 prior patch anyhow. Plus leaving it needing the patch helps to emphasise the issue to Microsoft so they pull their finger out.
Yes, because historically Microsoft has never done shit like this.
Well, except all the time, in every facet of their business.
If you read what was being replied to you would know it's in regard to the same subject.
iJudged
Banned
If this is true, I am canceling my pre-order :-(
wow calm down.
Chobel
Member
I could swear you said that it can't happen. I guess if this is your point then there's no need to discuss further, because I was arguing about the possibility.
Laughing_Man__
Neo Member
*Raises hand*
Question!
So far all "sources" say it's the drivers. Drivers can be fixed. Why is everyone getting ruffled for the first wave of games? All the multiplat ones are games split between four systems.
RedRooster
Member
Supporting better quality multiplatform games in general!
Come on, I'm trying to find an upside for PS4 owners here.
SMH
Nope. Xbone driver issues should not affect PS4 games at all. The weakest platform should never be lead platform.(Xbone) Neither should the most powerful(PC). It makes perfect sense for the PS4 to be lead platform. It's powerful enough to not hold back PC ports but not so powerful to destroy Xbone. Then there's the obvious ease of development.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
In fact its so similar I think this article is just a regurgitation of the Edge article.
I agree, good Idea, I purposefully buy New games even if they're old and difficult to find, but in this case, it would be used all the way.
GrizzleBoy
Banned
No thanks. I'd rather just boycott their console and those publishers.
intheinbetween
Member
I said several times this is just a rumour, therefore I suggested not to take it as a fact. and yes, I said I can't see developers being moneyhatted for gimping a platform version for "political reasons", it makes no sense at all, so I'm inclined to think that can't happen
Sho_Nuff82
Member
I'm gonna call shenanigans on the moneyhatting speculation.
Bluekaveli
Member
L's everywhere.