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Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos
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Did this article really need to exist in the first place? I read it and it was well done and I agreed with it, but I just feel like the world wouldn't be much of a different place if he never bothered to write it. Only result is now we have this mess on our hands and he no longer has a job.
You'll still see a "mildy respected" games journalist next to a mound of advertising in 2013, I would bet on it.
You'll still see a "mildy respected" games journalist next to a mound of advertising in 2013, I would bet on it.
Agreed. The politice from the backroom is the stuff reserved for high paying patrons. The regular politice that they serve at the buffet line is not as good. I say good politice for all!
Well this Wainwright lady is making him look pretty darn good. And smart. (is that sexist?)
Gotta take it to the EXTREEEME
3rdamention
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The image really, truly is hilarious, and very telling. Rab Florence wrote a solid article but nothing even necessarily had to be written about it. The image completely speaks for itself.
Totally agree. They should have given the article a title, posted that picture, then had "By: Rab Florence" at the end of the picture.
A picture is worth a thousand words and that picture could be worth more. So awesome, so telling. I cringe and crack up at the same time, and those are hard emotions to combine until you see that image.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Actually wait heres the full story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFTXkzySlmQ&feature=player_embedded
Surely exploration of issues like this can only improve "games journalism" as a whole?
Cerebral Assassin
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So why is there only one pack of Doritos?
another one down for the count:
good night, sweet prince.
I'll never be able to love again
theSlacker
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjXSI6O9lUo&t=3m41s
He wanted to impress his friends.
Just an excerpt...
Got to remember that this isn't a witch hunt for people "on the take" for truing to get a ps3. As the article someone posted (that I don't want to go back an entire page to search for the link for) stated, alot of people use these events for self promotion. The original editorial was about how acts like these that have become the norm for people in the industry can easily be seen by others from the outside as a lack of integrity.
Or something.
Hot Coldman
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That's just tantamount to how much Rab (and John Walker, for his articles) care about the matter. I'm sure they weren't feeling confident about whether or not their writing would have any impact whatsoever, but it's still worth a punt, ya know?
Means very little without a review.
Now besides Balotelli being ignorant or trolling, this is the dumbest post on this page. You really think the issue of integrity and the pitfalls that journalists might fall in regards to their actions should not be discussed just because it would turn to be "a mess"? Seriously? Please tell me you are joking.
SolidSnakex
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http://www.gamespot.com/features/the-final-hours-of-half-life-2-6112889/
http://www.gamespot.com/features/the-final-hours-of-prince-of-persia-6079652/
http://www.gamespot.com/features/the-final-hours-of-metal-gear-solid-2-sons-of-liberty-6376810/
It's hard to find the rest of the articles because Gamespot's site is such a mess. But the Behind the Games that he did on Daikatana is also fantastic.
wastedyears
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Never has, never will.
CrunchinJelly
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Nobody said anything about a witch hunt. It's more about showing just how many people who call themselves 'games journalists' think it's ok to partake in stuff like this.
thetrin
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Judging from this and the Foxconn thread, your entire outlook on life is "I don't think anything is going to change, so let's do nothing."
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APZonerunner
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One debate worth having when this dust settles is Journalist vs Critic, and what the differences really mean. I think a lot of people branded games journalists more widely aren't at all, and are simply critics. Patrick Klepek is a great example of an actual journalist, doing actual investigative work within games, but people like him are actually rather uncommon.
InaudibleWhispa
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From what I've heard Jeff just can't get it to work. I haven't played 3 yet, but DC1-2 work consistently well and DC3 is the best received in the franchise yet. Probably just gave the benefit of the doubt and assumed that if the problem isn't widespread and when it works, as it seems to be for most people, it works great as it did with the first two, then best to just leave it be. Who knows where Kinect's recognition problems may lie. It's a fickle thing.
‏@sensualcurl
Eh, just caught up with the controversy. Having interacted a fair bit with you Im sure this is an honest mistake.
‏@davescook
Yep. I'm having a miserable week as a result.
‏@sensualcurl
Wouldn't worry that much about it really, people who actually pay attention to your writing as a whole knows whats up.
Its kinda decent of Dave to feel bad because of it, a nice contrast to Lauren being completely callous and interpreting the edit as a sincere apology.
Eh, just caught up with the controversy. Having interacted a fair bit with you Im sure this is an honest mistake.
‏@davescook
Yep. I'm having a miserable week as a result.
‏@sensualcurl
Wouldn't worry that much about it really, people who actually pay attention to your writing as a whole knows whats up.
Its kinda decent of Dave to feel bad because of it, a nice contrast to Lauren being completely callous and interpreting the edit as a sincere apology.
But trashing that product on a podcast that has more listeners than a potential review would get hits is protecting them?
theSlacker
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I believe it does. Need to exist I mean. Writing and talking about this stuff is the first step on the road to changing it. Or deciding if it is something that needs to change. May be a bit naive on my part to expect change, but I don't really. I hope for it though, and if more higher profile people come out and start the discussion about these topics they are more likely to chance, instead of just being excepted.
another one down for the count:
good night, sweet prince.
Pack it up. Wario already won this one. Those poor videogamer.com guys never got a chance.
Snapshot King
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This has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on Gaf, ever. No contest.
PRO BACKROOM POLITICE 4 LYFE
Also, I am a master of MS Paint. Full disclosure.
Could this be the fastest a junior gets a permanent tag?
Nothing to study. A deal with MS/Pepsi/STV was struck, there is a co-marketing and branding plan in place, Geoff has to do an advertising piece as part of the contract, and there you go. If is actual review of the game reflects his love of Mountain Dew Code Red, then there is a legitimate complaint. So, in studying this, it's an advertising piece. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ragingbegal
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This word hurts me to my core.
Splash Wave
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Can someone please fill me in on what happened? I saw the original Dew'ritos video, but I can't quite figure this out.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
The whole situation sure as hell is entertaining me, so Id say the articles existence is well justified!
theSlacker
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Those policies are self imposed, and so far the game journalism industry doesn't seem to have much need for them. Rather they are still making all the money they can without them in place and no one really calls them on it, so there is no reason for them to put them in place.
Mr. B Natural
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A vapid industry whose opinions are based entirely on hype and the ultimate conclusion of a piece of work is profits and not creating anything warranting actual discussion and substance (the idea of substance is counter-productive to the culture at this point) will never have "journalistic integrity" as it doesn't need journalism in the first place... nor integrity. Such a culture needs shills and shills are what we have. If "Summer Blockbuster Magazine" existed, what would you expect to be reading when you read past the cover? Hard hitting interviews or just advertising and things that might as well be advertising?
The so-called "journalism" that we have now is in line with the so-called "culture" where these journalists exist. You are what you eat. That's a rule. The same rule that applies to anything on this planet. People say "empty the seats in congress. That'll fix government!" No, it won't because if you don't change political culture and discourse then you're going to replace bad politician A with bad politician B. You're replacing your fishing net when the real problem is that the pond is barren.
The so-called "journalism" that we have now is in line with the so-called "culture" where these journalists exist. You are what you eat. That's a rule. The same rule that applies to anything on this planet. People say "empty the seats in congress. That'll fix government!" No, it won't because if you don't change political culture and discourse then you're going to replace bad politician A with bad politician B. You're replacing your fishing net when the real problem is that the pond is barren.
Read this, sums it all up nicely:
http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/libel-alleged-legal-threats-and-conflicts-of-interest-the-twisted-story-of-
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DangerStepp
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This whole affair is sickening and represents everything wrong with this industry.
I wonder if we'll live to see this field with any sort of legitimacy without chest pounding or integrity without flaunting it.
Also, that image of Geoff is going to haunt him for the rest of his days. I've watched the video and I still don't understand the context of it.
I wonder if we'll live to see this field with any sort of legitimacy without chest pounding or integrity without flaunting it.
Also, that image of Geoff is going to haunt him for the rest of his days. I've watched the video and I still don't understand the context of it.
The only way to change culture in this fashion, is to create a break from its status quo. This EG debacle is a great example of why the current status quo requires change.
Next, it'll require media outlets to differentiate themselves with an ironclad ethics policy that would prevent such acts from its employees.
But this is all just speculation on what many here think should happen, it doesn't mean this won't blow over completely in 7 days and then, we're right back to square one.
Um, Rab has other outlets like Burnistoun, his wrestling commitments etc
Greg Hemphill is gonny get the shite knocked oot him.
Dance Central 3 has a higher average review score than the previous two games. It's at 87.
http://www.metacritic.com/search/all/dance+central/results
A 2/5 from Giant Bomb would do almost nothing, and would probably be quite unfair judging by every other review. You clearly live in a fantasy land.
Oldschoolgamer
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Yea, that's all I'm getting at. While I don't find anything he did wrong, I think it's largely hypocritical, even within the context of the article, to call someone out over a perception, but at the same time act weary of the ramification to these other peoples lively hoods, whom are in the wrong -and you have facts to back it up-. It's just a personal gripe, not trying to be contrary with you.
SlowRevolution
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came to post this, this (hugely shitty) situation could be perfect timing for them.
No its not, it is an indictment on those whose actions may be questionable. Don't label the whole industry as a result of this event.
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