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[Topher]

I mean, the best comparison would be to simply install Linux on the Xbox Ally X and run benchmarks against one with the stock OS.

the Xbox team hopefully didn't get limited too much by the Windows team, and can do whatever it takes to debloat the game mode.

the game mode should literally only run the bare minimum that's necessary for the system to function correctly

The game mode is what makes it interesting.

 

[Kacho]

I don't think I'm color blind...

Orange would be the thread title and the buttons on the top-ish-right. The top bar of this graph looks like a light-ish red, and the bar two below that looks slightly darker. Can someone else chime in and let me know if I'm color blind and never knew it?

I'm colorblind and it looks like orange, green, red from top to bottom.

@March Climber, @Closer, and Topher :

I just took an online Ishihara test, and I got 100%. I then took the Farnsworth Munsell 100 Hue Color Blind test, and I got 100%. I then took the Lanthony D-15 (both Saturated and Desaturated), and I got 100% on both of those. Maybe all of your eyes are broken and mine are normal?

In case anyone wants to try this out (they're quick), here you go:

Ishihara Test

Ishihara color blind test is the most well known color blindness test.

www.colorlitelens.com

Farnsworth Munsell 100 Hue Color Blind Test | Color vision test

Farnsworth Munsell 100 Hue Color Blind Test help clients to diagnose their color vision deficiency. Color blind test.

www.colorlitelens.com

D15 color blindness test | D15 Color vision test

The D15 color blind test help you to diagnose the type and grade of color vision deficiency.

www.colorlitelens.com

lol…

 

[Ozriel]

Obviously. Windows and linux don't and can't use the same drivers. They have drivers written specifically for them, so how exactly do you propose they do a "scientific comparison".

So if the issue is possibly Lenovo's drivers for Windows, why are you waffling on about 'Windows bloat and overhead' being the cause?

Main takeaway here is those Lenvo drivers are terrible lol

I like how it's claimed only BL3 had comparable performance when if you remove the terrible drivers from the equation all but Returnal and Doom were within the same range as BL3 was.

SteamOS is great and all though.

Certainly.

and they say the next Xbox will run windows lol, it will DOA if that happens.

One would like to believe MS would not shit up the drivers situation for their own device, but stranger things have happened.

 

[Soodanim]

Whichever moron was in charge of color-coding the graphs and decided to pick two slightly different shades of red needs to be punched in the face.

As funny as the argument over colourblindness is, the fact is there's a whole rainbow to choose from and they chose two colours next to each other rather than, say, a nice blue for easy contrast.

I also think a slightly larger separation between each graph wouldn't go amiss, either.

 

[intheinbetween]

Wait you mean for handheld devices? Shocking

/sarcasm

 

[Sept Terrion Of Nothing]

EGADS! On my phone it is orange!

I was seeing the same as you and check my C2 TV color settings. I love saturated colors so in the past I increased TV's "Game Color Depth" settings. When I lowered the settings the upper "red" turned into "orange".

But I agree nonetheless: Why anyone sane use close colors when doing comparison is beyond me.

 

[Three]

So if the issue is possibly Lenovo's drivers for Windows, why are you waffling on about 'Windows bloat and overhead' being the cause?



Certainly.



One would like to believe MS would not shit up the drivers situation for their own device, but stranger things have happened.

Because both "lenovos" and "Asus" drivers perform worse and what do you think drivers interface with? Again on other devices like a Steamdeck which has other vendor drivers steamOS performs better in most games. Why do you think that is? The only person waffling is yourself and no I didn't mention bloat, only OS overhead.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Top to bottom

Orange
Green
Red

Doesn't mean you are color blind. My wife and I will go toe to toe on blue-green colors. I'll see green. She will see blue. She's wrong, of course

I assume you've punished her for speaking out of place, correct? I find it's the easiest way to fix a woman's colour blindness.

 

[Three]

@March Climber, @Closer, and Topher :

I just took an online Ishihara test, and I got 100%. I then took the Farnsworth Munsell 100 Hue Color Blind test, and I got 100%. I then took the Lanthony D-15 (both Saturated and Desaturated), and I got 100% on both of those. Maybe all of your eyes are broken and mine are normal?

In case anyone wants to try this out (they're quick), here you go:

Ishihara Test

Ishihara color blind test is the most well known color blindness test.

www.colorlitelens.com

Farnsworth Munsell 100 Hue Color Blind Test | Color vision test

Farnsworth Munsell 100 Hue Color Blind Test help clients to diagnose their color vision deficiency. Color blind test.

www.colorlitelens.com

D15 color blindness test | D15 Color vision test

The D15 color blind test help you to diagnose the type and grade of color vision deficiency.

www.colorlitelens.com

Categorising colours is different for everybody. This is the equivalent of asking somebody if the colour aqua is blue or green. You can see the different shades but you just catagorise it differently.

 

[Zathalus]

For now Nvidia+Linux is not worth it. Even AMD is equivalent at best.

 

[Bojji]

So for handheld console sure, every bit of power matters. What about desktops with powerful CPUs and a lot of memory?

 

[StereoVsn]

For now Nvidia+Linux is not worth it. Even AMD is equivalent at best.

The difference (AMD side) is probably more pronounced on weaker hardware, hence it can be more easily seen on these handhelds or small desktops with similar configuration.

Once you have higher end, modern parts, the system will basically power through the overhead for the most part. You still have to deal with Windows and MS being absolutely mediocre though.

As an example I discovered that after latest updates I have around 7-8 CoPilot buttons and prompts in Office, including one by a god damn cursor. And general enshitification of OS continues unabated. Most of the stuff can be curtailed through LTSC install and some tuning, but 365 version of Office also can't help itself.

 

[KungFucius]

and they say the next Xbox will run windows lol, it will DOA if that happens.

DOA? With the ASUS drivers most are close. I don't see any reason to assume that a gaming version of windows can't do similar to Steam OS.

Oh wait, MS laid off all the people who could have made this happen.

 

[Gamezone]

And yet the Steam OS version of the Legion Go S is cheaper.

 

[buenoblue]

I scanned through the article and they don't mention it but like all these "tests" I bet they are running everything at 15w.

But I play my rog ally at 19w with handheld companion locking gpu to 1500mhz and cpu averages 2.5-3ghz with that wattage. I get about 1.5 hours battery life but carry a mini 65w powerbank that gives me another 2 hours battery. with these settings I'm able to play most games 1080p high/medium settings and get from 50fps all the way up to 80fps on most games from last 5 years.

And plugged in 30w I lock gpu to 2000mhz and it's like a generational leap over steam deck.

On a side note I picked up a pair of used xreal 1080p oled xr glasses for £120 and paired with the rog ally it's such a great portable setup it's amazing.

 

[Astray]

So for handheld console sure, every bit of power matters. What about desktops with powerful CPUs and a lot of memory?

Laptops would probably benefit from reduced power and heat too. And that's a sizeable market.

For PC you're probably looking more at perf improvements than power savings tho.

 

[ClosBSAS]

Yup, can confirm cachyos runs it better than windows. Nightrein freezes and crashes my display on windows, on cachyos, perfect smooth no crashes

 

[Parazels]

Rog Xbox Ally vs Lenovo Legion Go 2 (steam os) should be interesting

I wonder how Spencer Phill will comment if Xbox Ally loses Legion Go 2 with the same hardware!

 

[mrBarrelNut]

Does the article confirm that the resulting graphics on the screen are identical?

 

[hououinkyouma00]

I scanned through the article and they don't mention it but like all these "tests" I bet they are running everything at 15w.

But I play my rog ally at 19w with handheld companion locking gpu to 1500mhz and cpu averages 2.5-3ghz with that wattage. I get about 1.5 hours battery life but carry a mini 65w powerbank that gives me another 2 hours battery. with these settings I'm able to play most games 1080p high/medium settings and get from 50fps all the way up to 80fps on most games from last 5 years.

And plugged in 30w I lock gpu to 2000mhz and it's like a generational leap over steam deck.

On a side note I picked up a pair of used xreal 1080p oled xr glasses for £120 and paired with the rog ally it's such a great portable setup it's amazing.

I do see this a lot in Steam Deck vs "insert Z1E handheld here" comparisons. It doesn't invalidate it but I think a lot of people overlook it.

I'm a big Apple guy but Apple does the same thing when they bring benchmarks into play. A Mac Studio is 10x faster then a PC but what it actually means is that it's 10x faster then a competing PC at the same power draw. That doesn't invalidate it but it doesn't draw the whole picture as obviously if you put a M3 Ultra Studio up against a 9950x3d/5090 build the PC will win overall. The difference is that the entire Mac Studio draws less power then that 9950x3d alone.

 

[Bojanglez]

 

[Three]

Does the article confirm that the resulting graphics on the screen are identical?

It's the same settings so should be identical graphics. The only difference is one running linux (with drivers written for it specifically) and the other windows (with drivers written for it specifically). There wasn't any notable discrepancies.