Games so long in development that they felt archaic at release
The_Observer
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First one that came to my mind. The 2001 trailer was mindblowing. The released game was just a disappointment.
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
I've heard the recent Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord falls into this category.
The Last Guardian is another one that comes to mind.
The Last Guardian is another one that comes to mind.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
DNF, like the OP stated, is the most obvious choice in my eyes.
I haven't played MnB
I agree that the FF15 open world aspects felt last-gen to me
I haven't played MnB
I agree that the FF15 open world aspects felt last-gen to me
Compsiox
Banned
It's an updated Warband. As someone who had never played Mount and Blade before Bannerlord, I've been really enjoying it. I think it feels great.
Space Runaway
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Daikatana
Mid-2000 release but still felt like a pre-H/L product of 98.
Mid-2000 release but still felt like a pre-H/L product of 98.
ruvikx
Banned
The Last of Us 2 aka another Naughty Dog walking simulator with the occasional hide in long grass stealth routine.
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In all seriousness, Red Dead 2 is a real candidate, i.e. despite all the ultra-realism-super-duper-graphics-animationz & pretences at creating a living breathing world, underneath all the exterior polish it's just the same old "follow waypoint on minimap, do not deviate from mission waypoint objective" game design. That sort of handholding was already really, really old in GTA 5, ergo RDR2 was already archaic at its conception.
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In all seriousness, Red Dead 2 is a real candidate, i.e. despite all the ultra-realism-super-duper-graphics-animationz & pretences at creating a living breathing world, underneath all the exterior polish it's just the same old "follow waypoint on minimap, do not deviate from mission waypoint objective" game design. That sort of handholding was already really, really old in GTA 5, ergo RDR2 was already archaic at its conception.
Vawn
Banned
Yeah, they had no business turning Final Fantasy into a boring western-style open-world RPG full of boring quests to pad out playtime and mindless combat.
There have been other Final Fantasy games that I felt missed the high standards of the series set through the SNES and PS1 years, but I didn't feel betrayed as a fan of the franchise until XV.
There have been other Final Fantasy games that I felt missed the high standards of the series set through the SNES and PS1 years, but I didn't feel betrayed as a fan of the franchise until XV.
kiphalfton
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This mod.
esforces.com
Its neat, but it is going to look old as hell if they ever finish it.
Also no hate for the one neogaf user that does the RE4 mod, but Capcom will probably release RE4 remake before he's done. Granted Capcom very likely wouldn't do a 1:1 remake, so he's pro ably good.
Earth's Special Forces
Its neat, but it is going to look old as hell if they ever finish it.
Also no hate for the one neogaf user that does the RE4 mod, but Capcom will probably release RE4 remake before he's done. Granted Capcom very likely wouldn't do a 1:1 remake, so he's pro ably good.
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Warband was essentially a collection of fan mods and some developer tweaking, so I'm not dogging the game, just pointing out that it's kind of archaic in many ways.
I'm an OG M&B fan, so don't take my mention as hate for the game.
kiphalfton
Member
Sounds like they're reusing crap from Uncharted 4 then... and not like it was great in that game.
Rock And Roll
Member
Came to say Duke. I really hope we get to play that 2001 build at some point even though that seems highly improbable.
sublimit
Banned
I wouldn't call The Last Guardian as "archaic" though. Maybe for textures,resolution and framerate yes it showed its age but in terms of the technology behind its AI that had a huge beast navigating narrow interiors while behaving and reacting as a real animal was really impressive and i think it was way ahead of its time.
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DunDunDunpachi
Banned
I meant the controls but yeah the AI was impressive.
diffusionx
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Star Fox 2 on the SNES Classic
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Deleted member 17706
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Holy shit... the English dialogue is so cringe-worthy. The English language will never work with anime themes without coming across as extremely embarrassing.
lock2k
Banned
Duke Nukem Forever and I heart Too Human was like this but I never played it.
Keihart
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The last guardian it's impressive even today, it'll probably become an obscure classic.
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ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
GamesAreFun
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Is there any technical information on its AI? To me personally, the Last Guardian looks like a set of beautifully hand-animated routines for Trico, triggered at different moments to provide the illusion of an intelligent creature. While playing I didn't feel anything unusual about Trico's responses, if anything, the game was extremely frustrating to play.
The Shepard
Member
This. At least FF7 (like people have said above) has an excellent combat system, this game had a terrible one, I just don't feel I'm in control at all.
Cutty Flam
Banned
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
We waited almost six years for that game, they accomplished nothing with it essentially. Established a little bit more with the creation of Hyrule and certain other things regarding the beginning, but I vehemently believe it's a poor entry in the series. A decent game, but it's hardly a Zelda game due to all the shortcomings and lack of effort really...
That's definitely my one pick for this topic. Despite tge controls, feels like it could have been a PS2 game
We waited almost six years for that game, they accomplished nothing with it essentially. Established a little bit more with the creation of Hyrule and certain other things regarding the beginning, but I vehemently believe it's a poor entry in the series. A decent game, but it's hardly a Zelda game due to all the shortcomings and lack of effort really...
That's definitely my one pick for this topic. Despite tge controls, feels like it could have been a PS2 game
Jaxcellent
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To me it felt like the frustrating play was on purpose, I have a cat and she listens about as good as Trico does, Altho i can see where people come from when they don't like the controls, I find them charming because they remind me so much of dealing with a giant cat.
Also the game looks amazing on a projector, really captures the scale of the beast. This is an old vid I made, sorry for the crappy quality guys
I have yet to play with the pro patch but looking at those screens in the thread made me install the game again.
Keihart
Member
There is nuance to Trico, several actions don't manifest themselves as bars you fill up or numbers, but affect how Trico reacts to you.
I've was puzzled how so many posters had trouble giving Trico orders while in my run he responded almost like a trained husky, after watching some interviews it all made sense.
Giving him barrels, paying atention to where Trico is looking, tending to his wounds, etc, all affect how Trico behaves.
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iconmaster
Banned
No one's topping this.
Cert.in.Death
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Duke Nukem Forever, FFXIII and FFXV, The Last Guardian.
The Alien
Banned
Ugh. While I love TLOU and will play TLOU2, watching released gameplay of TLOU2 I was was less than enthused by the sheer amount of long grass.
I hope this trope dies in the coming gen.
(Looking at you: all of Naughty Dog, HZD, Assassins Creed)
CuteFaceJay
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Pokemon Sword & Shield for the Nintendo Switch, and it was only about 3 years dev time.
Vow of Silence
Banned
If this thread was a competition this would be the winning entry.
This is the correct answer. DNF is the Chinese Democracy of video games.
sublimit
Banned
There were certainly moments where Trico's actions were obviously scripted (like for example when it bathed in the small pond or catched the boy with its tail) but in all the gameplay sequences that were in-between those scripted moments the way the AI moved inside those closed areas without glitching or getting stuck in the geometry has been unpreceded and i doubt we will see anything similar anytime soon. Its behavior was also very dynamic and it depended a lot in various points of interest like how the boy (player) was treating the animal (feeding,giving instructions and petting) as well as environmental points of interest that could grab Trico's attention.
In CEDEC 2017 one of the game's lead developers Masanobu Tanaka said some very interesting things about Trico's AI:
The Last Guardian: Procedural Animation
Below is a write-up of GenDesign animation director Masanobu Tanaka’s CEDEC (Computer Entertainment Developer’s Conference) 2017 presentation on the procedural technology of Trico in Th…
www.gameanim.com
And that's why so often you hear players having such different experiences with how Trico behaved.
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JohnSpartanLee
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Mega Man 9
Of course it was intentional NES style but after MM7's 16bit gfx I was expecting a new SNES style MM.
Of course it was intentional NES style but after MM7's 16bit gfx I was expecting a new SNES style MM.
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IamOnline4Real
owns Galaxy Brain. Still shrink wrapped.
Dude that game is archaic, from the camera to the boys animations. You cant even walk in that game! The camera sucks.
SpiceRacz
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It wasn't in development that long. The game is deliberately archaic.
Casanova
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TheDrunkenMerchant
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Too Human. I think it was in development for like, 10 years or something. It used the right stick for attacking instead of camera control, which games had already realized was a stupid idea years prior.