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Gary Cohn: Taxpayers care about their own wallets, not the wealthy's

Iorv3th

Member
"They can renovate their kitchen, they can buy a new car, they can take their family on vacation, they can increase their lifestyle"

Yeah, that was an astoundingly out of touch statement.

Dude is talking about tax breaks and has no idea of how much things like a car costs.

Maddening.
 

Mr. X

Member
The new car for $1000 makes me think he's Mr. Burns. How old are you that you remember a new car costing $1000.
 
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The attack on the typical American can not stand
Few pictures make me angrier than this one.
 

Socivol

Member
I have a six figure household and I don't understand how people are making it on less than that. We aren't broke but we are far from wealthy. The way these tax cuts work out I would rather not get one then see the ultra rich get such a large taxcut.
 
I have a six figure household and I don't understand how people are making it on less than that. We aren't broke but we are far from wealthy. The way these tax cuts work out I would rather not get one then see the ultra rich get such a large taxcut.

This is where I'm at. Took a long ass time but we're finally here. And we definitely ain't broke but not wealthy either.

I reject the notion that a minor tax cut for me will buy out my views on tax cuts for the wealthy. Fuck that. It's always been a grind but fuck that.
 

FyreWulff

Member
For the record, this is not the Trump tax plan. This graphic is from 2013 and I want to say it was for expiring Bush tax cuts. Trump's plan is still absurd, but these numbers are from a different time period.

the point of this jpg was not about trump, but how tone deaf the wealthy and the wealth mags are. this is how they view the world.
 

Culex

Banned
Well if you live in NY, NJ, or CT and have a family of four, you kinda need $100,000 a year to not be in the red.

Yep- wife and I combine for a bit over 90k in CT, and I would barely call us middle class. After the mtg and my kid’s 700 a month preschool expense I’m left with barely anything.
 
the point of this jpg was not about trump, but how tone deaf the wealthy and the wealth mags are. this is how they view the world.

I don't know if I'd call it out of touch. I think they know they just don't care.

If you're that poor it's your own fault, but they're not giving you any more handouts.
 

sikkinixx

Member
Sounds like fuck you, got mine, to me.

Seems like that’s the case for everyone, no matter your income. Everyone always feels that someone is taking too much and is willing to overlook endless amounts of terrible shit that politicians say/do because “but he wont take too much from my wallet to help those lazy [insert group]!”

It’s just a terrible viewpoint to have. Goes along well with the transition of people from citizens to “taxpayers”.
 

kswiston

Member
Yep- wife and I combine for a bit over 90k in CT, and I would barely call us middle class. After the mtg and my kid's 700 a month preschool expense I'm left with barely anything.

I think that there is two things going on here.

Low income people see someone with $100K+ household income and think that they are wealthy, which obviously isn't true if you live in an expensive state and aren't well above that mark.

However, people in the middle class typically think that they are worse off than they actually are. Median household income in CT was $71k in 2015, so you are definitely middle class. Probably around the 60th percentile. The issue is that you likely know plenty of people in the Upper Middle class (top 20%, in the $140k+ household income range), so in comparison you are going to feel like you are treading water.

Which is sort of the trick that the actual wealthy always pull. Pit the middle class and poor against each other, while they reach into the tax pools and help themselves.
 

kswiston

Member
When they calculate median household income, are they considering both parents working?

It counts everyone working in a household. Which isn't always even a family. If you live by yourself in an apartment, you are still a household.

I think that the average household is about 2.5 people in the US.

About half of householders had a spouse of some type (married, common-law, etc).

A bit less than 1/3rd of the US is college aged or younger.

So figure roughly 1.5 adults, and one child/dependent per household on average. Not all of those adults work. Some of the children are adolescents or young adults and do work.

Median personal income was around $31k last year, while median household income was around $55k. Go from there.
 

kswiston

Member
Bear in mind, this selects for nuclear families with both parents working, which skews middle and upper class.

They mention that. Median income for the nuclear family with just the dad working was around $55k.


Of course, close to 40% of kids are raised in single parent families, typically single mothers where the median income is less than $30k.
 
Yep- wife and I combine for a bit over 90k in CT, and I would barely call us middle class. After the mtg and my kid’s 700 a month preschool expense I’m left with barely anything.

Happiest day of a parents life is the birth of a healthy child.

The second is the day they no longer have to pay for daycare.
 

sikkinixx

Member
Happiest day of a parents life is the birth of a healthy child.

The second is the day they no longer have to pay for daycare.

Our kid starts in January. $1150cdn a month. More than our rent, my car insurance and my cell phone bill combined. It’s absolutely awful. If my wife wasn’t finishing her degree and we didn’t ha e her tuition to pay for she would stay at home since it’s taking more than a whole of her pay Chequers to pay for
 

Steel

Banned
I mean, he's right in that people care less that the rich are getting richer if you give them a consolation prize at the same time they pay off the rich.
 

old

Member
Taxpayers care deeply about the wealthy and their taxes. Americans are deeply invested in taxing the rich.

See Mr Cohn, we can both mask our opinions as being validated by the masses.
 

Ottaro

Member
I have a six figure household and I don't understand how people are making it on less than that. We aren't broke but we are far from wealthy.

Man I will just never understand this. I don't mean to single you out or fault you for anything, but I assume with that income you have been able to afford a reasonably comfortable home in a relatively okay neighborhood. You might have a reliable car, maybe two. You might have health insurance for everyone in your family, and you might have some amount of a rainy day fund.

That to me is wealth. Other people make it by not having any of that.
 

vainya

Neo Member
Man I will just never understand this. I don't mean to single you out or fault you for anything, but I assume with that income you have been able to afford a reasonably comfortable home in a relatively okay neighborhood. You might have a reliable car, maybe two. You might have health insurance for everyone in your family, and you might have some amount of a rainy day fund.

That to me is wealth. Other people make it by not having any of that.

I have a six figure household (my husband makes 85k and I make 55k) and I don't even have a car. My husband owes like half of our household income in student loan debt. I think if we didn't have the debt we would be able to afford a car at least.
 
I'd be happy to pay more taxes if it was going to programs that actually grow our society rather than a quarter of it going to 'defense'.
 
It counts everyone working in a household. Which isn't always even a family. If you live by yourself in an apartment, you are still a household.

I think that the average household is about 2.5 people in the US.

About half of householders had a spouse of some type (married, common-law, etc).

A bit less than 1/3rd of the US is college aged or younger.

So figure roughly 1.5 adults, and one child/dependent per household on average. Not all of those adults work. Some of the children are adolescents or young adults and do work.

Median personal income was around $31k last year, while median household income was around $55k. Go from there.


That's true, many different kinds of households
 
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