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[Teddman]

He was swiveling in the chair, big deal. Could have been a nervous habit.

What's just as damning as the boys' testimony is that of the flight attendants and some of Jacko's house staff. The attendants confirm that during flights they served Jackson and his friends copious amounts of wine and liquor hidden in Diet Coke cans, while his own house manager admits that the boy's family was held at the Neverland Ranch against their will. Everything taken together makes the allegations more believable.

 

[android]

Q: John *** quit swiveling. You're not in a barbar chair.

This boy is giving testimony to a grand jury about how he was alledgedly coerced into performing lewd and lascivious sexual acts with/upon Michael Jackson, but he's swirling around in his chair like he's having a grand old time at the barbar shop? If I was a member of that grand jury, I would find it very suspicious that Jackson's accuser was acting less serious in court than the weight of the accusations he was presenting there. The prosecution should have briefed their witness better about his conduct in court and the questioning should have been more conservative regarding their language IMO.

Does anyone actually think MJ is innocent besides his huge fans? I must admit that it is very hard to remain skeptical of these accusations when considering Jackson's ongoing odd behavior and the peculiarity/detail of the information we keep seeing leaked out. =\

He is a child you know. Is he to remain completely still during what is a extremly difficult time for him? It doesn't say he was swirling the chair around, laughing and smiling. I havn't found the testimony you are quoting in the mountains of transcripts, but the circumstanceshave to be taken into account. Was in the end of the day, the end of his testimony. Was difficult embarassing things being discussed. In the end the fact remains that the grand jury heard the testimony and saw this exchange and said that their is enough evidence for a trial by jury. Never forgot that this isn't even the second child to accuse this man of molestation. If it was me, without money, i'd be rooting in jail, where I belong. To anyone who defends him, please forget the music he made twenty years ago. It means nothing.

What's just as damning as the boys' testimony is that of the flight attendants and some of Jacko's house staff. The attendants confirm that during flights they served Jackson and his friends copious amounts of wine and liquor hidden in Diet Coke cans, while his own house manager admits that the boy's family was held at the Neverland Ranch against their will. Everything taken together makes the allegations more believable.

Amen. Is it money with them to?

 

[WordAssassin]

Well, with all due respect, Sneddon is kind of a jerk, I've heard. (Though his protrayal in South Park was pretty good) But I wouldn't really blame him for being short with kids, because his own are totally stoner punk asshats. I've never liked them much, always getting into trouble and daddy always bailing them out. Always disrupting class, too. One of 'em's in my Film Studies class this semester...sorry, kinda drifted off there a bit.

Oh, by the way, I live in Santa Barbara. This is such a huge circus, it's like every other day the front page of the SB News Press has some mention of Jacko making a scene about the trial. And that transcript is horrid. I'm on page 70 right now, and I used to think MJ was so damn cool...but dude, forcing a kid with *one* kidney to drink white wine and vodka? Damn.

Edit: On page 85 and that was just fucking gross.

 

[Deleted member 4784]

I find it justifiable to be swiveling; not out of lack of dicipline, but actually out of nervouseness and being uncomfortable, given the nature of his testimony. This is why I said that not only should the prosecution have prepared the boy better in his conduct while giving testimony, but also that the questioning/Sneddon should have chosen their wording differently. We can't actually see the extent of the swiveling, but we do know from the transcript that it was compared to swiveling in a chair at the barbar shop. I'm just saying that if I was one of those jurors, I could see it as either the questioner being unsympathetic and biased or the boy not being serious in the allegations.

As for whether Michael is guilty or not, I don't know. I'm inclined to believe he is guilty, but then again I haven't really heard anything that is a "smoking gun" to me (I don't doubt the statements given by Neverland Ranch, but I've yet to find them). Either way, I still that that Jackson deserves his day in court...

 

[The Chosen One]

I just read one of the lengthy smoking gun articles and I also think both parties are shady. Michael Jackson is odd and is definitely covering something up. But the accusers family seems shady as well.

The 1993 allegation certainly seems more legitimate than the current one. The kid back then seemed like a much stronger witness, especially since apparently the kid could detail Michael's zebra penis. The current kids are lot more vague and inconsistent.

Also, it just doesn't make sense to me that Jackson would molest him AFTER the Bashir interview. Considering he already knew the kid for 2+ years, he starts molesting him only after the whole world goes in a frenzy about his admission with having boys in his bed? He knew he was under the microscope after the Bashir interview why would he START to molest him then? Doesn't add up.


If '93 didn't exist, this would be a VERY weak case, IMO. That's why Sneddon is trying to re-introduce evidence from the '93 investigations.

 

[Teddman]

Also, it just doesn't make sense to me that Jackson would molest him AFTER the Bashir interview. Considering he already knew the kid for 2+ years, he starts molesting him only after the whole world goes in a frenzy about his admission with having boys in his bed? He knew he was under the microscope after the Bashir interview why would he START to molest him then? Doesn't add up.

Well, first of all, pedophiles just can't help themselves. I mean, if Jacko had any self-restraint or common sense he wouldn't still be inviting kids into his bed and extoling the virtues of it in nationally televised interviews, especially after he's been charged and sued for alleged child abuse once already.

Also, reactions like yours might explain why he'd be so bold as to abuse that kid after the interview. He's been on TV with this kid swearing up and down that Jackson is a loving, caring father figure and their relationship is totally innocent. That would make people less likely to believe him if he cried abuse later on. Plus the kid had cancer and was in remission, but could relapse at any time, possibly fatally. And Jackson's not helping his health any with all the booze. Get the alternate angle? In some ways, he may have seemed a perfect target.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

:lol

Anyone else read that a different way? Like it meant his dick would appear on the stand or something?

AAAAAAAHAHAHA

i havent laughed that much in a while thanks

"it then started twirling uncontrollably"

 

[Jotaro]

Thank you Jacko, I still pictured your beautiful humanistic songs whenever you came up to might mind. I shall never be able to do so again.

(Change the world, make it a better place, for you and me and the entire human race, there are people dying...)

 

[Escape Goat]

I did not need to picture MIchael Jackson's aroused penis. Oh...urrrpfff....not done vomiting.

 

[hippie]

I'm sorry but if these kids can describe what "he" looks like, it's obvious they got more than just a passing glance at it. What little doubt I have would be gone.

 

[Particle Physicist]

I think Michael Jackson's probably guilty too, but don't underestimate children. I recall watching some talk show (I was bored ok), and it was about this man that was sent to prison on the graphic testimony of a child. It was found out after his sentence that the kid made it all up.

there was a whole family (who ran a day care), that got convicted off of false testimony from multiple children. theres a tv movie and such if you want to look it up.. i cant remember their last name though.

 

[MetatronM]

Does anyone actually think MJ is innocent besides his huge fans? I must admit that it is very hard to remain skeptical of these accusations when considering Jackson's ongoing odd behavior and the peculiarity/detail of the information we keep seeing leaked out. =\

1) The grand jury testimony is COMPLETELY one-sided (defense isn't allowed to rebut), and it's the best of the best of the prosecution's evidence (they are trying their best to get the case in court, after all).

2) The boy's mother has a documented history have filing sexual molestation lawsuits on numerous occasions. She has also used her children as implements to file lawsuits before. This serial lawsuit behavior WILL come up in court.

3) The majority of what we've heard and the evidence against MJ is entirely circumstantial and mostly based on heresay. I don't know about you, but I've more or less known what Jackson's wang supposedly looked like for the last 10 years, and I've never even been remotely close to the guy.

4) Being weird doesn't make you a criminal.

Now, I'm not going to say Jackson is innocent. He sure does have a hell of a lot of explaining to do, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if a lot of this info is, in fact, true. But there isn't even close to anything in this testimony and in all the evidence they put forward so far that will put him in jail. He might not be innocent, but if the jury follows the letter of the law and demands the burden of PROOF from the prosecution, then there is no way that MJ doesn't walk.

 

[UltimateMarioMan]

I think the parents told their child what to say. What happened to the first family that made molestation accusations? They got money then shut up. Proving they lied just to get money. It casts doubt on everything.

 

[Jotaro]

I think in the end, I will always believe he is smooth, but not a criminal.

 

[Liono]

That's fucking sick.

 

[android]

I think the parents told their child what to say. What happened to the first family that made molestation accusations? They got money then shut up. Proving they lied just to get money. It casts doubt on everything.

That doesn't prove they lied. It shows that the family didn't want to expose their son to this. Were the Goldman's and Brown's just out for money because they sued O.J. despite him being found innocent. And what if they found kiddy porn at Michael's home. Or what if a young child has correctly described a distinguishing detail of a grown man's penis. And why are they going to trial if they know all they have to do is settle and get rich. We, the public, didn't even have to know that there was a new allegation. Just like the second boy Jackson paid off, after the first. Jackson has had an public obession with young boys since the early eighties. And that seem to make everyone but delusional Jackson fans, very concerned. Paying moeny does not equal innocence.

 

[ShadowRed]

I think the parents told their child what to say. What happened to the first family that made molestation accusations? They got money then shut up. Proving they lied just to get money. It casts doubt on everything.

One can say the same thing about Micheal. He paid them off because he knew he was guilty. You really can't use the settlement to say either way one was lying or not.