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Zalasta said:
I'm curious if a lack of a (positive) strong male presence while growing up has more correlation to the type of guys we're attracted to, rather than to whether a person turns out to be gay or not.

I dont know about that. When I was in my 20's and first came out, I was definately more attracted to older and bigger guys than myself. As Ive gotten older though, my attractions are more diverse, both physically and racially. Things I thought we important (like physique) have grown less so, where as personality wins my heart.

Im sucker though for nice eyes.
 
No daddy issues here. Great relationship with both of my parents. Did alot of stuff of them. Nothing really negative to say. Knew I was gay in the last class of elementary school. A boy gave me butterflies whenever I saw him. Tried to hide being gay in high school. One guy in my class said to me that if I worked out and grew a beard I'd make a great bear. Didn't even know what a bear was at that time, ha. Some guys called me gay and other names, made me nervous because I didn't want to look or act gay, guess I was ashamed of it. Haven't come out to anyone yet, but definately doing it this year...I hope. Really wish I did it in the beginning of high school. I'm beginning my last year of college and I haven't come out yet or dated and I feel I'm missing out on so much whenever people are saying your college years are the best years of your lives. But I can change that this year if I can find the balls to do it.
 
SpaceBridge said:
I mean, having daddy issues implies hat being gay is more environmental than biological, and Im in the camp that believed in the "gay gene".
I think with a lot of aspects of human behaviour that very between people it's going to be a combination of genetic and environmental influence.

I work in the field and I know a lot of people who are interested in the genetics of sexuality (myself included) but they wouldn't study it for fear of how the results would be interpreted or used.

Zalasta said:
I'm curious if a lack of a (positive) strong male presence while growing up has more correlation to the type of guys we're attracted to, rather than to whether a person turns out to be gay or not.
Not this is something that I think rings true. Someone said to me before that in general, people want to either be 'protected' or be the 'protector', the 'giver' or the 'receiver' - be that of affection, gifts, being the one who is pursued romantically versus being the pursuer. I'd guess that for many of us we can switch roles depending on who we are involved with at the time.

The lack of a positive strong male presence while growing up could push us towards one end of the spectrum, or make us pursue particular types of guys or relationship dynamics.

Personally, I definitely need a male influence in my life to make me feel 'protected' as it were, be that a close friend or a boyfriend or what-have-you - and I'm open to the idea that that fact is due to my relationship with my father and grandfather. My Dad's Dad died when he was 10 and it definitely affected him negatively I think - but I wouldn't know if it had any impact on him sexually.

Certainly interesting stuff this!
 
HappyPuppy said:
There are no absolutes in Psychology so the answer would be no.
How many people that you have met gay, bi, straight, cat, dog have parent issues? Finding someone who hasn't is hard may I dare say impossible.
Now this Psychology pop term 'daddy issues' has no real theoretical background and it's pretty vague.
There can be a lot of factors that may facilitate or predispositions that may lead an individual to a certain sexual preference but it still depends on case by case bases. So it isn't as rigid or exact as you might think.

In conclusion nay and Beje we should make out since you have a beard and glasses.

That's not strictly true. The idea actually comes from Freud's model of psychosexual development - although technically, it has more to do with over-involvement with the mother than it does the absence of the father per se.

The idea was that in most boys going through the Oedipul phase of development (around age 3-4), castration anxiety prevents the child from getting too close to the mother. Castration anxiety orinates from the threat of repercussions from the father, so if the father is absent or weak (it was actually known as weak father theory) then there's nothing to stop the son from becoming overly attached to the mother. When that happens, he thought that the boy internalises the affection that his mother shows him so that he becomes his own sex-object. It's really about narcissism more than anything else.

It's a bunk idea now, but that's where it comes from originally as far as I can tell. :P
 
GothPunk said:
I think with a lot of aspects of human behaviour that very between people it's going to be a combination of genetic and environmental influence.

I work in the field and I know a lot of people who are interested in the genetics of sexuality (myself included) but they wouldn't study it for fear of how the results would be interpreted or used.

Not this is something that I think rings true. Someone said to me before that in general, people want to either be 'protected' or be the 'protector', the 'giver' or the 'receiver' - be that of affection, gifts, being the one who is pursued romantically versus being the pursuer. I'd guess that for many of us we can switch roles depending on who we are involved with at the time.

The lack of a positive strong male presence while growing up could push us towards one end of the spectrum, or make us pursue particular types of guys or relationship dynamics.

Personally, I definitely need a male influence in my life to make me feel 'protected' as it were, be that a close friend or a boyfriend or what-have-you - and I'm open to the idea that that fact is due to my relationship with my father and grandfather. My Dad's Dad died when he was 10 and it definitely affected him negatively I think - but I wouldn't know if it had any impact on him sexually.

Certainly interesting stuff this!

Could age play a role in the bolded statement. I mean, when I was yonger, i definately wanted to be the 'protected', but as Ive gotten older, I feel like my role has switched, and now I want to play the protector role. That being said, I dont find myself attracted to really young guys, or the newly come out. I prefer guys who know who they are and are a bit more self aware and are more mature emotionally.
 
GasProblem said:
I'm beginning my last year of college and I haven't come out yet or dated and I feel I'm missing out on so much whenever people are saying your college years are the best years of your lives. But I can change that this year if I can find the balls to do it.

Well, romantic relationship may be one of those things, but the college experience is about more than just that. You are still young and have plenty of opportunities to date (and get your heart broken :P ), I wouldn't fret too much about missing out on it now and make the best of your last year. Good luck with the decision though.
 
SpaceBridge said:
Could age play a role in the bolded statement. I mean, when I was yonger, i definately wanted to be the 'protected', but as Ive gotten older, I feel like my role has switched, and now I want to play the protector role. That being said, I dont find myself attracted to really young guys, or the newly come out. I prefer guys who know who they are and are a bit more self aware and are more mature emotionally.
Oh yes totally.

I mean I think we all know this anyways from practical experience - our taste in food, music, clothes, where we wish to live etc changes as we age. We're dynamic. When you look at the biology behind it, you see that your brain is dynamic too, and the degree to which certain genes are expressed (turned on or off) is very dynamic also. Nothing in biology is set in stone, which is why biologists will always qualify what they say with 'in general', as there is always an exception to any 'rule'.

I think it's really cool to think that certain experiences in our lives can mould us and change us at the molecular level. XD
 
GothPunk said:
Oh yes totally.

I mean I think we all know this anyways from practical experience - our taste in food, music, clothes, where we wish to live etc changes as we age. We're dynamic. When you look at the biology behind it, you see that your brain is dynamic too, and the degree to which certain genes are expressed (turned on or off) is very dynamic also. Nothing in biology is set in stone, which is why biologists will always qualify what they say with 'in general', as there is always an exception to any 'rule'.

I think it's really cool to think that certain experiences in our lives can mould us and change us at the molecular level. XD

Is this even possible? Im not a biologist, but I always viewed things like genes, DNA, molecules as being physical, and not determined by emotional or mental forces.
 
Just a side subject. You know how there is this fantasy of the virgin girl for a sizeable portion of straight people.
Does that exist too for gay people? Does that apply to you?

For me, definitely no. For a couple of reasons.
Sexually I'm pretty sure the hook up would be so-so because even though I know what I'm doing, telling the other people what to do would annoy me. I like to be surprised a little bit during the act so having someone who doesn't really know what they're doing would be a turn off. Second, I don't really do random hook ups. Dating and/or being in a relationship with someone who has not had "a lot" of experience would be a concern. There would most likely be a point where that person will want to experience other things with other people and it will cause some drama because I'm the kind of people who values monogamy.

But I'm willing to reconsider if that person is a good kisser, ha.
 
Given that I'm totally inept and inexperienced myself, I would definitely need somebody with low expectations and an interest in learning with me, heh.
 
Cosmic Bus said:
Given that I'm totally inept and inexperienced myself, I would definitely need somebody with low expectations and an interest in learning with me, heh.
That would be the most fun for me. "Best" would be someone older and experienced, I guess.
 
I'd prefer someone who's had some experiences both sexually and relationship wise. Im not one to be a cherry popper. But when I came out, I knew about alot of 'chicken hawks'; older mature men, who prefer younger fresh guys who'd be new to the scene. They would date them only until after the deed was done, and then move on to the next young thing. Always felt creeped out by these guys.
 
SpaceBridge said:
I'd prefer someone who's had some experiences both sexually and relationship wise. Im not one to be a cherry popper. But when I came out, I knew about alot of 'chicken hawks'; older mature men, who prefer younger fresh guys who'd be new to the scene. They would date them only until after the deed was done, and then move on to the next young thing. Always felt creeped out by these guys.

How positively vile.
 
Phonomezer said:
How positively vile.

Trust me, they are more vile in person. They would normally be professionals too, with loads of money, and nice condos. They would surround themselves with groups of young hip gay guys to attract the newcomers to the scene. They would go to clubs, do drugs, wear younger type of clothing, all just to attract their targets. It was so obvious and such a joke. And they would be proud of their status as well.
 
SpaceBridge said:
'chicken hawks'; older mature men, who prefer younger fresh guys who'd be new to the scene. They would date them only until after the deed was done, and then move on to the next young thing. Always felt creeped out by these guys.

Yeah, bleah to that shit.

My absurd, idealistic "old dude + young dude" fairy tale is to form a friendship, bond, date, fall head over heels, have wild sex that keeps me youthful, probably have to rip my own heart out and let go while he explores and enjoys the company of age-appropriate men for a while but we stay in touch, then we become reacquainted, start dating again, confess our eternal love, get married, adopt a Spanish baby, I retire while he hits a career apex, our baby goes off to college, he retires, I'm in a wheelchair (saved from a nursing home 'cause he luvs me), I wither away and die, and he gets my fortune amassed from my thriving bakery empire.

THIS WILL HAPPEN, JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE. *sob*
 
ZephyrFate said:
I'm sure it's not bad, but this boy is also a virgin. So... yeah, I think I'm gonna relegate this boy to "hookup" status for now, unless he surprises me.

If he's hot there's nothing wrong with that. ;)
And I agree with the surprise part. When I was younger I was completely obsessed with daddies. Then I met my boyfriend, who's one year older than me. Our 6th anniversary is next month. You never know!
I've been in exactly one relationship though, so I'm not terribly good at advising.
 
Cosmic Bus said:
Yeah, bleah to that shit.

My absurd, idealistic "old dude + young dude" fairy tale is to form a friendship, bond, date, fall head over heels, have wild sex that keeps me youthful, probably have to rip my own heart out and let go while he explores and enjoys the company of age-appropriate men for a while but we stay in touch, then we become reacquainted, start dating again, confess our eternal love, get married, adopt a Spanish baby, I retire while he hits a career apex, our baby goes off to college, he retires, I'm in a wheelchair (saved from a nursing home 'cause he luvs me), I wither away and die, and he gets my fortune amassed from my thriving bakery empire.

THIS WILL HAPPEN, JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE. *sob*

I have met a healthy "old dude + young dude" relationship. The old one is 50, the young one 29. They were really cool and it seemed they had a good thing going on. They had a similar story to the one you described though.
They dated when the young one was 18ish, broke up but stayed good friends and in contact and eventually got back together.
The old one is rich (florist to the stars, LOL), the young one going to interior design school.

But in any case, nice guys. And the young one was quite handsome (the old one too but just not the kind of guys I go for).
 
I always wonder if older guys who only like much younger guys could have a meaningful relationship for decade+, or if once the young guy started aging they'd lose their attraction to them and move on to a newer model? I mean, you're attracted to only much younger guys in the first place for a reason.

Also, screw opening up to people. I think I've learned my lesson lately. Had a rather rough day too. Gonna try to relax and play some piano.
 
Cosmic Bus said:
"Don't like" is too strong a term, but I have zero sexual attraction to older men or ones my own age (mid-30s). I can certainly see the appeal and have no trouble seeing an middle-aged man as handsome or whatever, but there's literally no desire, no "pull" for me.

Now, I've spent years of my life self-analyzing it, and all I can say is that a) I had a very late start in terms of any kind of sexual interest and didn't even choose to identify as gay until around 24, so that obviously plays a role in it, and b) I still don't really feel or look or act like someone my age. Only recently decided to go to college, don't own a car or house, never traveled, no real accomplishments to speak of... It leads to me having very little in common with the average 30-something man, and much more with the younger set. It's worth noting, too, that I'm not unintelligent or a creeper or some gross high-school-party-crasher, and yes, I completely understand the social stigma of an age gap of 10+ years (cradle-robber! what could you possibly have in common? etc) but I'm very particular in the type of person I would be interested in and am accepting of the idea that I may never be able to have a "normal" relationship or even one at all. But y'know, that's fine. I can't control my attractions. *shrug*

I am the complete opposite. Have basically never been attracted to anyone my age or younger (I'm 26). Even the idea of dating someone younger is a turn off for me.
 
SpaceBridge said:
I'd prefer someone who's had some experiences both sexually and relationship wise. Im not one to be a cherry popper. But when I came out, I knew about alot of 'chicken hawks'; older mature men, who prefer younger fresh guys who'd be new to the scene. They would date them only until after the deed was done, and then move on to the next young thing. Always felt creeped out by these guys.

Ewwwww. :S

Personally, I prefer guys slightly older or the same age as I am.
 
zankara said:
Is 25 years too big of a gap for a healthy relationship? Is it doomed to fail?

It really shouldn't matter what anyone else here thinks. If you like him and he likes you and you're both honest about what you want out of the relationship then go for it.
 
By the way ciD, what happened toyour "jury duty guy"? :p

Anyway, age-gap shouldn't be a problem as long as it's between 2 "consenting(and legal) adults". I've met some really ncie and mature 15 year old guys; but..yeah just that. :p
 
fernoca said:
By the way ciD, what happened toyour "jury duty guy"? :p

Anyway, age-gap shouldn't be a problem as long as it's between 2 "consenting(and legal) adults". I've met some really ncie and mature 15 year old guys; but..yeah just that. :p
Haha, we both ended up being called in to sit for the jury selection and i made sure to sit right next to him. We did small talk and he was really nice.

Age shouldn't matter, just be honest with each other about everything.
 
xelios said:
I always wonder if older guys who only like much younger guys could have a meaningful relationship for decade+, or if once the young guy started aging they'd lose their attraction to them and move on to a newer model? I mean, you're attracted to only much younger guys in the first place for a reason.

Personally, I can't imagine why this would be any more of an issue than with someone who's attracted to older men or even with a similarly-aged couple. After the initial attraction, visual or otherwise, you fall in love with the person, not their age.
 
HunkyDory said:
That's not strictly true. The idea actually comes from Freud's model of psychosexual development - although technically, it has more to do with over-involvement with the mother than it does the absence of the father per se.

I stand with what I say because my answer comes from how the question was made. He used the term 'daddy issues' and while it is referring to the Psychoanalytical theory it's not a real concept coined by Freud, Horney, Lacan, Klein etc. That's why I said that concept has no theoretical background and comes from Psy pop.

SpaceBridge said:
Im sucker though for nice eyes.

Hey don't you have a beard and look like the guy in your avatar ;).
 
Really? I didnt think I looked like the guy in my avatar, but looking at it now, I can see the resemblance. Maybe I chose that subconsciously.

Thanks for the compliments though. Makes me feel nice inside.
 
HappyPuppy said:
*In a sleazy tone: I can also make you feel nice inside. I'm just teasing you Space.

So who is up for some Werewolf fun? I've played the game with 3 different groups and we end up playing it for hours. So I recommended when you guys finish with your orgies and what not. It's better than handing mints or gum and just saying good bye. The things I say when I'm bored.
Oh i've played that before! We call it Mafia though. It really is a fun game. I'm down for a Mafia orgy! oh, i mean game.
 
A friend of mine was addicted to similar games on PC with others (text files and paint to be technical for some time); but he calmed a little when we got him into buying an Xbox 360 a few months ago. :p

And yep, Space looks similar to his avatar..but better.


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Added some details since I know some people were going to be like "wat..wolfman on PC?" ..but yeah was kinda weird actually; never saw him playing it though but she said he did a few times. :p
 
Daddy issues? Not really sure what the term is supposed to encapsulate exactly. I'm on good terms with my father, we've just never really been all that similar. A few shared tastes, but just very different people with sometimes entirely opposite ways of thinking about and approaching things. I definitely feel like I take more after my mother and my sisters in most respects, though I'm very loath to show that. Anyway, my Dad's a good man, cares about me and makes mistakes out of love and not malice. It's just that sometimes I feel like a stranger around him.

ciD_Vain said:
super hot guy sitting in front of me at jury duty. how do I approach him?!
"Excuse me sir, would you accompany to the deliberating chamber for a cross-examination?"

And then you set your briefcase down in front of him, flexing your fingers around the handle ever so slightly.
 
idwl said:
I find I'm the complete opposite. I can't stand people my age or younger (I'm 20) My ideal age is 30+.

Same here. Back when I was younger, I never liked guys my age. The first guy I dated was 10 years older. We were together for 3 years. The next guy was 6 years older, followed by a guy that was a year younger (what a mistake that was). I finally settled down with a guy who's 5 years older. We've been together for 15 years now ... seems to be the happy medium I was looking for.
 
dialmydrive said:
Same here. Back when I was younger, I never liked guys my age. The first guy I dated was 10 years older. We were together for 3 years. The next guy was 6 years older, followed by a guy that was a year younger (what a mistake that was). I finally settled down with a guy who's 5 years older. We've been together for 15 years now ... seems to be the happy medium I was looking for.

15 years? Well, damn, congrats dialmydrive. Are you guys married?
 
neojubei said:
Awesome gay life is a members only club and I guess we don't have a membership.

I lost mine about 9 years ago. :(
I'd kill to be 25 again. lol

I'm hopeless. I'm tired of hearing I'm cute, but all the guys near me won't give me the time of day. Maybe its Texas men, has to be, cause all the guys that show any interest in me at all live in other states.
 
Edit: I think I need to gay this post up a bit so that's it not too off topic... so, uh tell me guys, what's the best way to let a guy down gently? See, since I've started using Grindr I'll have a chat with most people who ping me, but I suppose that gives a lot of people the impression that you want to sleep with them or go on a date, despite the fact you have told them that you're just chatting and that you're seeing someone etc. I don't want to start telling people that I'm not interested in them in that way, that would sound kind of arrogant of me I would think, but perhaps that's just what you have to do? How do you phrase that without sounding full of yourself or a total prick?

SpaceBridge said:
Is this even possible? Im not a biologist, but I always viewed things like genes, DNA, molecules as being physical, and not determined by emotional or mental forces.
See that's what's really cool! The environment has a major role on our bodies, and almost everything has an effect at the molecular level. (The environment here means more than just your surroundings; it's what your mother exposed you to in the womb, your diet, if you drink a lot or do drugs, life events and your stress levels etc etc).

When it comes to genes/DNA, it's not just whether you have a particular variant of a gene, but also whether that gene is 'on' or 'off' (expressed). So whilst the physical DNA molecule will most likely be the same for your whole life - there is an added layer of complexity to genes concerning whether the gene is expressed. This field of genetic modifiers is called Epigenetics. These epigenetic modifiers are themselves molecules that act on DNA and can be influenced and changed by a lot of things - so something like a stressful life event can have a serious effect on gene expression in your brain, and thus affect your mood in the long term. There are also many things that can occur in your early life (so in the womb and in your first years of life) that can impact your life much later on, but they too can be changed.

Talking about the brain specifically, the connections between your neurons are 'plastic', so they can freely change throughout your lifetime. Most commonly this process is associated with the formation and recollection of memories or changes in the brain following injury, but there is some evidence to suggest that meditation can alter our brains physically.

If you think about learning in general, when you learn a new skill your brain has changed to learn the skill by strengthening neural connections or forming new ones. I'm not sure that there has been much study of the effects of life events on our brain, but I think that the dynamic nature of our brain explains why most of us aren't the same way throughout our lives.

tl;dr: Epigenetics and neural plasticity.
 
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