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vicissitudes said:
Holy shit.
Getting Over Girl-Age (Depressed-AGE?)
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Holy shit.
-bakalhau-
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viakado said:
I saw a documentary a few long months ago on how people aged 11 organized sex parties and just did it every weekend. In some with drugs and alcohol involved. If someone feels ready to do it, it's their life. Do it. It's their choice. And I understand that some feel like it at 25 with the right guy, and others at 11 in sex parties they'll later probably regret. I have nothing to do with it. It's their choice and it's as plausible as whatever choices you had in your life.
How does that make me disgusting? Did I say *I* would have sex with a girl aged 12 if she was all over me in a disco saying she's done it a hundred times before? Did *I* ever say I've felt attracted by 12 year olds because they've told me they were ready? (none ever said that, I don't know anyone aged below 19)
Edit: You go tell random 16 year old girls they're not mature enough to have sex. Half of them would slap you in the face and say 'That's none of your business, I'm ready when I feel like being ready'. You don't know their experiences, their life, their thoughts, their body. A 16 year old can be mature enough. It's up to them only to feel that way.
sebajuNujabes
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What I'd like to know is how he managed to last this long without people catching on to that fact.Gui_PT said:
This thread is full of what the fuckery.
-bakalhau-
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Suairyu said:
I make your words mine.
Alligatorjandro
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FreeMufasa said:
No you're a rapist.
Mammoth Jones
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-bakalhau- said:
I'd agree if the conversation were about two underage kids w/ each other. But this is a scenario between a child that may not know better and an adult that should know better.
The problem with kids is they're always in a rush to be grown but don't have the patience to just let it happen, so they try to emulate adult behavior and fail miserably at it. Even when they're NOT ready, because as children the prefrontal lobes of their brain aren't developed enough to help them think about the potential LONG term consequences of their actions. STD, Pregnancy, Birth Control, High Risk Behaviors...etc. Now add an adult to the equation that is manipulating the child for their own carnal needs...
http://www.decision-making-confidence.com/decision-making-in-adolescents.html
http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_..._behavior_problem_solving_and_decision_making
http://www.americanbar.org/content/.../crimjust_juvjus_Adolescence.authcheckdam.pdf
"If your teenager has ever done something you consider stupid, and your reaction was 'What were they thinking?' Well, the answer is they were thinking about doing that thing and the associated pleasure. They were not thinking long-term, nor considering the risks. Again, the hardware, the prefrontal lobes, simply isn't functioning yet in a way that allows them to consider the long-term consequences of their actions."
"New discoveries provide scientific confirmation that the teen years are a time of significant transition. They shed light on the mysteries of adolescence and demonstrate that adolescents have significant neurological deficiencies that result in stark limitations of judgment"
Now, is it right/fair/justified to allow an adult to engage in relations with those that aren't even biologically ready to think these sort of situations through?
-bakalhau-
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Busty said:
Bad wording. Pre-teens?
Edit: Or teens? Not sure the exact age one gets to be called a teen.
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Mammoth Jones said:
Yes but I believe I made a point at the end of one of my posts on how things were entirely different when you put a 25 against a 14. Someone who even if she wasn't ready, he would try to convince her she was just for the sake of his pleasure.
I'm speaking from a general standpoint. Girls are ready when they feel like they are. But things change depending on the guy's age and his intentions.
SpectreFire
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But legal in the rest of the god damn fucking civilized world.alphaNoid said:Yes, because its against the law and a 16 year old is recognized as a child in most of the US states. No difference between a 16 and 6 year old legally.
I still don't understand consent laws in the US.
You can sign up for the military at 17 in the US, but GOD FORBID YOU DRINK AND HAVE SEX.
Harry Dresden
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G-Fex said:
What is this a church camp?
What worries me about this thread are the people making the quantum leap between this girl being both emotionally and mentally mature while also looking 18.
I cannot understand this. It seems to be the hypothetical 'perfect storm' for people trying to justify having such strong feelings for what is, in essence, both physically and mentally a child.
I am in my early 30's and I simply can't imagine having a good, interesting conversation with a 14 year old girl let alone developing a strong emotional romantic attachment to her.
I cannot understand this. It seems to be the hypothetical 'perfect storm' for people trying to justify having such strong feelings for what is, in essence, both physically and mentally a child.
I am in my early 30's and I simply can't imagine having a good, interesting conversation with a 14 year old girl let alone developing a strong emotional romantic attachment to her.
BamYouHaveAids
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AoC in 80% of the states is 16, that however doesn't make it not creepy for someone over the age of 20 to hit on high school trim. I would feel extremely awkward if one of my friends started dating a 16 year old.alphaNoid said:Yes, because its against the law and a 16 year old is recognized as a child in most of the US states. No difference between a 16 and 6 year old legally.
Alligatorjandro
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I dont understand why someone would want to have sex with a 16 year old any.
crimzonflame
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Just how developed can a 14 year old Chinese girl be?
Oh, I'll just have to quote him now:
Shit, my sister knows this girl who will be just turning 18 soon. From age 12 she's been looking after her disabled mother and little brother. She graduated with her GCSEs at age 16 but never went on to take her A-levels. Instead, she got a (new, longer-hours) job to help support her family. She does the banking, bills and other paperwork and has done for years. She's basically the 'mother' of the house and one of the most mature people you're ever likely to meet, including people well into their 40s.
Buuut I guess she's still mentally a child because she hasn't hit the Viakado line of atomic-clock-precision-measured mental maturity!
Growing up in Britain, you very quickly get to know at age 12 at least two people in your year group have had sex. That number increases with each year to the point that by the time you hit the age of consent at 16, you can start counting the number of people who haven't had sex instead.
And yet, not a single STD or pregnancy scandal in my school at all. And believe me, that news would travel quick. Why? Because we had damn good sexual education from the age of 10. At 12 we were shown the correct way to put condoms on thanks to a funny hands on workshop with dildos. This was also compounded by round-table discussions on relationships and all the good things that should go hand in hand with sex at a young age. You know, basic life advice.
Contrast this with the stories from kids in the nearby but worse-achieving school a few blocks away and the truth becomes obvious:
If STDs and pregnancy is a worry of teen sex then the failing is in education, nothing else.
And say the fuck what at you listing "birth control" as a negative consequence. Contraceptives are the devils work or something to you?
Got news for you, 'chief' - the vast majority of the world and development psychologists disagree with you something fierce there. Do they arbitrarily stop being children at age 18? Or is it something to do with educational level? Do you have to get a college diploma?viakado said:
Shit, my sister knows this girl who will be just turning 18 soon. From age 12 she's been looking after her disabled mother and little brother. She graduated with her GCSEs at age 16 but never went on to take her A-levels. Instead, she got a (new, longer-hours) job to help support her family. She does the banking, bills and other paperwork and has done for years. She's basically the 'mother' of the house and one of the most mature people you're ever likely to meet, including people well into their 40s.
Buuut I guess she's still mentally a child because she hasn't hit the Viakado line of atomic-clock-precision-measured mental maturity!
Oh god the "long term consequences" crowd of declaring 14+ year olds unfit for sexual activity.Mammoth Jones said:
Growing up in Britain, you very quickly get to know at age 12 at least two people in your year group have had sex. That number increases with each year to the point that by the time you hit the age of consent at 16, you can start counting the number of people who haven't had sex instead.
And yet, not a single STD or pregnancy scandal in my school at all. And believe me, that news would travel quick. Why? Because we had damn good sexual education from the age of 10. At 12 we were shown the correct way to put condoms on thanks to a funny hands on workshop with dildos. This was also compounded by round-table discussions on relationships and all the good things that should go hand in hand with sex at a young age. You know, basic life advice.
Contrast this with the stories from kids in the nearby but worse-achieving school a few blocks away and the truth becomes obvious:
If STDs and pregnancy is a worry of teen sex then the failing is in education, nothing else.
And say the fuck what at you listing "birth control" as a negative consequence. Contraceptives are the devils work or something to you?
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Whelp, this thead almost has it all.
Mammoth Jones
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Poindexter said:
It's not that I don't read. I just don't lust after underage-internet girls.
I don't give a flying shit how HOT she is. I can think with a head other than the one in my pants. Can you? Christ, what if YOU had a daughter that ends up looking like her? You gonna high-five the 20/30 somethings that wanna bang your 15 year old? Give me a fucking break.
SpectreFire
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It's because in the modern-age, we have this conception of age of childhood. The whole notion of children is a relatively new development. I forget the exact timelime, but I think it's the late 18th where the whole idea of children was born. Before that, what we know as children, were simply young adults. They didn't have kids back then, they literally had mini-adults. When you were 13, you were pretty much considered an adult, you had responsibilities, people could take you seriously, and you would be expected to be a functioning member of society.Busty said:
The only reason we can't imagine having interesting conversations with 13 year olds these days is because as a whole, Western Society has regressed mentally. We've been so coddled as kids, by the same fact that the conception of children existing, that we're forced to remain infants til we're 18, despite the fact that mentally, we're capable of reaching that maturity level at a much earlier age.
Moggelicious
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if this is too much i'll delete it.
Mammoth Jones
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Suairyu said:
No man, I meant NOT thinking about birth control, lol. Listen, if younin's are gonna bone each other...that's on them. No adult should be getting in on with them. Do you understand what I'm saying?
As a society we consider it wrong for an adult to do that with a kid. I don't give a shit at what age they start. That's still not justification for an adult to take advantage of them.
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SpectreFire
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Mammoth Jones said:
And historical fact disagrees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood#History_of_childhood
You're comparing scientific theory with historical evidence. Evidence wins.
Mammoth Jones
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claviertekky said:
This always makes me laugh until my chest hurts... LOL.
dragonflys545
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Wow at this whole thread... SMH.
Herpes Reasons
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age 16 must be leaps and bounds more mature physically and mentally than at age 14.Suairyu said:
im not questioning the girls that have sex at a very tender age. Im insulting and mocking those much older that are making a conscious decision to be attracted to a 14yr old. And if you have feelings for children, seek help.
i like this, can we make this an official phrase somehow?Suairyu said:
Alligatorjandro said:
Just speaking for myself, but when being attracted to a girl I don´t look at her age first. It´s not like I went out and said to myself "well, now, finding myself a cute 16 year old!". It´s the other way round.
Alligatorjandro said:
wat. I assume you mean statutory rapist. But since neogaf is a pretty international forum, you cannot judge by US law alone. And even then, there are states where 16 is legal age of consent.
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I wanna know if you would have found Angie Varona hot though.Mammoth Jones said:
I agree with that.Mammoth Jones said:
The problem comes from:
1 - Accusing OP of being a paedophile for finding someone who physically looks 18 attractive. It's the most ridiculous (and hurtful) case of internet hyperbole.
2 - The idea that sleeping with someone under the age of 18 (when you're 18 or older) makes you some kind of paedophile by default, even if local laws disagree what constitutes a minor.
3 - The complete contraction of mental development to the binary of child and adult. Yeah, no shit a 20-something year old probably won't be finding that 15 year old's maturity level attractive, but that 15 year old is having thinking of ideas and concepts far beyond that of a child. It is unfair to both the teenager and the brain-cell count of those reading this thread to put the adolescent mind into the "child" brain box.
4 - The scarily precise manner at how people like yourself are classifying development rates. In my previous post I mentioned that 17 year old who has (mentally) arguably been an adult since the age of 12 because she'd had to take care of her family. Her circumstances (and thankfully her brain chemistry allowed her to) have forced her to grow up and be more mature than most actual adults you're likely to meet. Extreme example, sure, but likely enough to blow away this ridiculous '16 year old is mentally 6!!' style rhetoric we're seeing here.
Agreed.viakado said:
Conscious decision? This is how conscious it is:
See member of sex you're attracted to > evaluate attractiveness levels > daaaaaaayum!
Their actual age has nothing to do with that process. A hot girl who looks 18 is still a hot girl who looks 18 even if you find out she's actually 14. There's nothing conscious about it.
Now, falling for a 14 year old is another matter. It's not entirely conscious or voluntary, but with discipline (and hopefully an internal "er, she's 14!" mechanism built in by default) you can avoid it.
But mainly I take issue with:
We are not discussing children here. By classifying them as such you are doing both the girl in question, the OP and the educational system of wherever you come from a massive disservice. 14 year olds are still immature (or not in certain examples, see above), but they're not children. Stop with the paedo accusations.
Alligatorjandro
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Sennorin said:
Yes I meant statutory.
SpectreFire
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Suairyu said:
I'd hardly call it extreme. By Western standards? Sure, but by world wide standards? It's very common for 12 year olds to be taking care of their entire families, especially in poorer regions like Africa or Northern China. Hell, not too long back, kids that young were looked upon to care for their families and be the provider. Human brain chemistry period allows us to be very mature at a very young age, it's conditioning that determines how early we reach that stage.
FreeMufasa
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Alligatorjandro said:
I'm assuming you're from the US right? (UK here).
The idea of a 16 year old being considered a child blows my mind.
Mammoth Jones
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SpectreFire said:
OH SHIT, WIKIPEDIA! The industry standard in fact! It's fucking science fact dude. It's been PROVEN the prefrontal lobes are responsible in decision making. Particularly w/ thinking before one acts about the potential consequences of said act. It's been proven that area of the brain aren't finished developing in children/adolescence.
And you toss me a wikipedia article?! Irrelevant, because history didn't have the scientific means to know one way or another. Until very recently. You trust history. I'll trust a god damned MRI, CAT, PET Scan. But since you like wikipedia, here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefrontal_cortex
http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/nervous-system/teenage-brain1.htm
The only thing I will concede is that the growth can continue into ones twenties. It isn't always magically finished developing by 18. But that isn't justification to allow a child to enter into a sexual relationship with an adult.
While I admire your stance in this thread Suairyu you're arguing for an OP whose entire 'situation' just screams of self justification.
This 14 year old girl sounds more like the next evolutionary step of mankind than an overly developed kid.
I cannot believe that you are falling for this fucking nonsense. I'm having a hard time (as I've said) getting my head around this 14 year old girl who is supposedly as emotionally and physically developed as an 18 year old.
To me that just sounds like utter, UTTER nonsense. Can a man find a 14 year old attractive? Yes, in a fleeting, base instinct level. But the OP claims to have an actual deeper emotional connection with this girl.
A 14 girl can have a 'woman's body' (hips, bust etc) but to then argue that she has a 'woman's mind' to go with it almost by default (as the OP claims) is one hurdle I can't get my head around.
Basically I feel that while I agree to a certain degree that teenagers can be very mature and level headed when they need to be there is an experience and maturity that comes from living for a certain amount of time on this planet that kids simply aren't born with.
This 14 year old girl sounds more like the next evolutionary step of mankind than an overly developed kid.
Suairyu said:
I cannot believe that you are falling for this fucking nonsense. I'm having a hard time (as I've said) getting my head around this 14 year old girl who is supposedly as emotionally and physically developed as an 18 year old.
To me that just sounds like utter, UTTER nonsense. Can a man find a 14 year old attractive? Yes, in a fleeting, base instinct level. But the OP claims to have an actual deeper emotional connection with this girl.
A 14 girl can have a 'woman's body' (hips, bust etc) but to then argue that she has a 'woman's mind' to go with it almost by default (as the OP claims) is one hurdle I can't get my head around.
Basically I feel that while I agree to a certain degree that teenagers can be very mature and level headed when they need to be there is an experience and maturity that comes from living for a certain amount of time on this planet that kids simply aren't born with.
Alligatorjandro
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FreeMufasa said:
Yes I'm from the US.I just wouldn't have sex with a 16 year old,but to each their own.
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