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[Mammoth Jones]

I agree with that.

The problem comes from:
1 - Accusing OP of being a paedophile for finding someone who physically looks 18 attractive. It's the most ridiculous (and hurtful) case of internet hyperbole.
2 - The idea that sleeping with someone under the age of 18 (when you're 18 or older) makes you some kind of paedophile by default, even if local laws disagree what constitutes a minor.
3 - The complete contraction of mental development to the binary of child and adult. Yeah, no shit a 20-something year old probably won't be finding that 15 year old's maturity level attractive, but that 15 year old is having thinking of ideas and concepts far beyond that of a child. It is unfair to both the teenager and the brain-cell count of those reading this thread to put the adolescent mind into the "child" brain box.
4 - The scarily precise manner at how people like yourself are classifying development rates. In my previous post I mentioned that 17 year old who has (mentally) arguably been an adult since the age of 12 because she'd had to take care of her family. Her circumstances (and thankfully her brain chemistry allowed her to) have forced her to grow up and be more mature than most actual adults you're likely to meet. Extreme example, sure, but likely enough to blow away this ridiculous '16 year old is mentally 6!!' style rhetoric we're seeing here.

Agreed.

Conscious decision? This is how conscious it is:
See member of sex you're attracted to > evaluate attractiveness levels > daaaaaaayum!

Their actual age has nothing to do with that process. A hot girl who looks 18 is still a hot girl who looks 18 even if you find out she's actually 14. There's nothing conscious about it.

Now, falling for a 14 year old is another matter. It's not entirely conscious or voluntary, but with discipline (and hopefully an internal "er, she's 14!" mechanism built in by default) you can avoid it.

But mainly I take issue with:
We are not discussing children here. By classifying them as such you are doing both the girl in question, the OP and the educational system of wherever you come from a massive disservice. 14 year olds are still immature (or not in certain examples, see above), but they're not children. Stop with the paedo accusations.

1- No, the OP KNEW she was underage and still allowed himself NOT just to find her attractive, but then to further the issue by allowing himself to become infatuated with her. As an adult, he willingly crossed that line. As a teacher, he willingly crossed another line. So that's two lines he's crossed. And at the final line he finally concedes he needs to fall back. Nah, that's every definition of wrong. This isn't some guy just saying a student has a nice rack. He friggin FELL IN LOVE.

There's a difference between taking care of ones family at 12 and letting a grown ass man bang a 12 year old. What part of that don't you get? "Oh she's more mature than the average child" doesn't justify an adult sleeping with her, does it? Because to me, and thankfully the law, it does not.

 

[Devolution]

I didn't realize my joke post would be the real answer. Wow.

 

[SpectreFire]

OH SHIT, WIKIPEDIA! The industry standard in fact! It's fucking science fact dude. It's been PROVEN the prefrontal lobes are responsible in decision making. Particularly w/ thinking before one acts about the potential consequences of said act. It's been proven that area of the brain aren't finished developing in children/adolescence.

And you toss me a wikipedia article?! Irrelevant, because history didn't have the scientific means to know one way or another. Until very recently. You trust history. I'll trust a god damned MRI, CAT, PET Scan. But since you like wikipedia, here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefrontal_cortex

http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/nervous-system/teenage-brain1.htm

The only thing I will concede is that the growth can continue into ones twenties. It isn't always magically finished developing by 18. But that isn't justification to allow a child to enter into a sexual relationship with an adult.

First off. What's with that attitude? Wikipedia is a good source to get a starting point on academic sources and topics you need to scour to find out about specific topics and issues. I apologize for assuming that you would carry the mental capacity to look at a summary of the issue and search up the relevant information as you see fit.

Secondly, in this case, history doesn't need scientific means to determine whether or not children were capable of being as mentally developed as adults. Thousands of years of kids acting like adults proved that they were. Unless you want to assume that countless generations of kids acting "beyond their age" was nothing but a miraculous fluke, then it's hard to dispute that people under 18 are just as capable of developing the same or similar mental capacity as adults today.

Not finished developing is not the same as being incapable of developing into a mature person at an early age. As mentioned earlier, there are plenty of children today who are considerably more mature than the what their age mentally defines them as. Thousands of years of recorded human history has shown that we CAN develop faster mentally if given the opportunity, the only reason we don't see a lot of it here in the Western world is because most of us aren't given that opportunity.

 

[Poindexter]

It's not that I don't read. I just don't lust after underage-internet girls.

I don't give a flying shit how HOT she is. I can think with a head other than the one in my pants. Can you? Christ, what if YOU had a daughter that ends up looking like her? You gonna high-five the 20/30 somethings that wanna bang your 15 year old? Give me a fucking break.

So do you just not understand the question or something? Or are you completely dense? You don't even answer my questions. You just reply back with your holier than thou nonsense that doesn't address any of my questions.

I asked you if someone came up to you and showed you a picture of Angie Varona, not knowing anything about her, would your first response be "She's a 14 year old. You're sick." Are you that evolved that you can decipher age without a doubt just by looking? I somehow don't think that's true. And I don't think it makes anyone a sick fuck for finding them attractive.

I'm not saying it's okay to hit on your little sisters friend or fantasize about them and I'm not saying it's natural. I'm saying it's stupid, ridiculous and naive to believe that you can identify some arbitrary line decided by local laws with just your sight and no other knowledge.

Some girls develop faster than others and guess what, it doesn't automatically make you a sick fuck for mistaking a 16 year old for an older woman. The sick fucks are the ones who perpetuate these thoughts in their head and follow them with action.

Like I said earlier in this thread, every guy has had a moment where he says "Goddamn she's hot!" only to follow up with "wait, wtf. she's how old???" a few seconds later.

Oh but I'm sure you're the exception. *rolls eyes*

 

[Suairyu]

While I admire your stance in this thread Suairyu you're arguing for an OP whose entire 'situation' just screams of self justification.

This 14 year old girl sounds more like the next evolutionary step of mankind than an overly developed kid.



I cannot believe that you are falling for this fucking nonsense. I'm having a hard time (as I've said) getting my head around this 14 year old girl who is supposedly as emotionally and physically developed as an 18 year old.

To me that just sounds like utter, UTTER nonsense. Can a man find a 14 year old attractive? Yes, in a fleeting, base instinct level. But the OP claims to have an actual deeper emotional connection with this girl.

A 14 girl can have a 'woman's body' (hips, bust etc) but to then argue that she has a 'woman's mind' to go with it almost by default (as the OP claims) is one hurdle I can't get my head around.

Basically I feel that while I agree to a certain degree that teenagers can be very mature and level headed when they need to be there is an experience and maturity that comes from living for a certain amount of time on this planet that kids simply aren't born with.

I'm not defending his falling for her. My main point of contention is all the people rallying to call him a paedophile for finding her attractive.

1- No, the OP KNEW she was underage and still allowed himself NOT just to find her attractive, but then to further the issue by allowing himself to become infatuated with her. As an adult, he willingly crossed that line. As a teacher, he willingly crossed another line. So that's two lines he's crossed. And at the final line he finally concedes he needs to fall back. Nah, that's every definition of wrong. This isn't some guy just saying a student has a nice rack. He friggin FELL IN LOVE.

I'm not disagreeing with you here...

]There's a difference between taking care of ones family at 12 and letting a grown ass man bang a 12 year old. What part of that don't you get? "Oh she's more mature than the average child" doesn't justify an adult sleeping with her, does it? Because to me, and thankfully the law, it does not.

... nor am I saying it would have been cool for men to jump on that girl the moment she became the main caregiver of the house. I've been arguing against the "a teenager is a child" mentality that's ran rampant in this thread, not helped by people like yourself.

It's a very common experience for me on GAF not to agree with one side or the other, but to have to be some awkward middle man because the people technically in the right exaggerate everything to the point it becomes wrong.

OP fucked up, but has stopped himself from fucking up big time. We don't commend him, nor should we condemn him too harshly (though he certainly needs ridicule). We shouldn't call him a paedophile (because even if she looked her age and acted it too that wouldn't be accurate) or make ridiculous statements like you're mentally a child until you hit the 18 year old barrier.

In short, I'm not "arguing for the OP", though I know most people love their binaries. If you read my original post I make it quite clear he fucked up but the response he got from the "you're a sick fuck" crowd was waaaay out of proportion.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

First off. What's with that attitude? Wikipedia is a good source to get a starting point on academic sources and topics you need to scour to find out about specific topics and issues. I apologize for assuming that you would carry the mental capacity to look at a summary of the issue and search up the relevant information as you see fit.

Secondly, in this case, history doesn't need scientific means to determine whether or not children were capable of being as mentally developed as adults. Thousands of years of kids acting like adults proved that they were. Unless you want to assume that countless generations of kids acting "beyond their age" was nothing but a miraculous fluke, then it's hard to dispute that people under 18 are just as capable of developing the same or similar mental capacity as adults today.

Not finished developing is not the same as being incapable of developing into a mature person at an early age. As mentioned earlier, there are plenty of children today who are considerably more mature than the what their age mentally defines them as. Thousands of years of recorded human history has shown that we CAN develop faster mentally if given the opportunity, the only reason we don't see a lot of it here in the Western world is because most of us aren't given that opportunity.

So to follow your line of thought, kids hunting for food in 12,000 B.C, Planting Crops in 1000 A.D and taking care of siblings in 1900 A.D means it should be alright for a grown adults to have sex with a child in 2011 A.D? Is that what you're saying? Social development in the sense of being able to perform adequately as part of a group/family/community doesn't equate to sexual development and being able to start boning grown ups.

And don't you dare say "I wasn't saying that" because if that were the case why even bring the shit up as if it means something in the context of this thread?

 

[Busty]

I'm not defending his falling for her. My main point of contention is all the people rallying to call him a paedophile for finding her attractive.

Well I respect your point of view and your posts have at least been coherent so fair play.

But I personally still think you're on a fool's errand to defend him when you have no idea what this girl looks like.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I'm not defending his falling for her. My main point of contention is all the people rallying to call him a paedophile for finding her attractive.

I'm not disagreeing with you here...

... nor am I saying it would have been cool for men to jump on that girl the moment she became the main caregiver of the house. I've been arguing against the "a teenager is a child" mentality that's ran rampant in this thread, not helped by people like yourself.

It's a very common experience for me on GAF not to agree with one side or the other, but to have to be some awkward middle man because the people technically in the right exaggerate everything to the point it becomes wrong.

OP fucked up, but has stopped himself from fucking up big time. We don't commend him, nor should we condemn him too harshly (though he certainly needs ridicule). We shouldn't call him a paedophile (because even if she looked her age and acted it too that wouldn't be accurate) or make ridiculous statements like you're mentally a child until you hit the 18 year old barrier.

In short, I'm not "arguing for the OP", though I know most people love their binaries. If you read my original post I make it quite clear he fucked up but the response he got from the "you're a sick fuck" crowd was waaaay out of proportion.

But here's the thing: I do think it's sick for a grown man to allow himself to develop romantic and sexual feelings for a 14 year old.

Sorry. I feel that those saying "oh but one can be more mature at an earlier age!" are trying to vie for some type of justification for that desire, and to me there is none.

Once again, sorry.

 

[Sennorin]

So to follow your line of thought, kids hunting for food in 12,000 B.C, Planting Crops in 1000 A.D and taking care of siblings in 1900 A.D means it should be alright for a grown adults to have sex with a child in 2011 A.D? Is that what you're saying? Social development in the sense of being able to perform adequately as part of a group/family/community doesn't equate to sexual development and being able to start boning grown ups.

And don't you dare say "I wasn't saying that" because if that were the case why even bring the shit up as if it means something in the context of this thread?

Mammoth Jones, stop continuing your "child"-titling. In terms of sexuality, once you reach the legal age of consent, you´re not a child anymore in terms of sexual activities. In most parts of the world, a 16 year-old is not a child anymore, and in some, even 14 fits the bill. Your whole argument is based upon intimidating your debate-partners by using the word "child".

 

[SpectreFire]

So to follow your line of thought, kids hunting for food in 12,000 B.C, Planting Crops in 1000 A.D and taking care of siblings in 1900 A.D means it should be alright for a grown adults to have sex with a child in 2011 A.D? Is that what you're saying? Social development in the sense of being able to perform adequately as part of a group/family/community doesn't equate to sexual development and being able to start boning grown ups.

And don't you dare say "I wasn't saying that" because if that were the case why even bring the shit up as if it means something in the context of this thread?

The fuck is wrong with you? Seriously?

First of all, I'm pretty sure people under the age of 18 existed after Christ as well. You know, the period during which most of recorded history existed?

Secondly. Seriously. Where the fuck did I mention anything about this relating to sexual development? Unless mental development is the new word you kids use for "getting it on", then I'm pretty sure I've been talking only about that aspect and not the sexual part. I brought this shit up because people are constantly assuming that kids aren't mentally capable of being adults whereas history has proven time and time again that that's absolutely not the case.

Also. Being adult =/= being able to have sex with an adult. If that's how your mind sees it, fine. But mine isn't in that gutter.

You're the one constantly bringing the topic of sex with kids up in this debate. Not to mention you're just being super malicious and dour.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Mammoth Jones, stop continuing your "child"-titling. In terms of sexuality, once you reach the legal age of consent, you´re not a child anymore in terms of sexual activities. In most parts of the world, a 16 year-old is not a child anymore, and in some, even 14 fits the bill. Your whole argument is based upon intimidating your debate-partners by using the word "child".

Oh, so now a 14 year old is a full fledged adult?

....wow dude. Just stop.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

The fuck is wrong with you? Seriously?

First of all, I'm pretty sure people under the age of 18 existed after Christ as well. You know, the period during which most of recorded history existed?

Secondly. Seriously. Where the fuck did I mention anything about this relating to sexual development? Unless mental development is the new word you kids use for "getting it on", then I'm pretty sure I've been talking only about that aspect and not the sexual part. I brought this shit up because people are constantly assuming that kids aren't mentally capable of being adults whereas history has proven time and time again that that's absolutely not the case.

Also. Being adult =/= being able to have sex with an adult. If that's how your mind sees it, fine. But mine isn't in that gutter.

You're the one constantly bringing the topic of sex with kids up in this debate. Not to mention you're just being super malicious and dour.

What....the...I don't know where you've been, but this entire thread has been about an adult wanting to bone a 14 year old (we call them children where I'm from). And now I'm the one bringing it up? Ok, so then what the fuck are we talking about in this thread? The current state of the world bank? Sub prime mortgages? C'mon! This guy is a teacher that has desires and fallen in love with his 14 year old student. Maybe it's time to re-read the previous pages?

I know this may come as a shock, but when an adult discusses such things, the subject of its inappropriate nature tends to be brought up.

 

[Suairyu]

Oh, so now a 14 year old is a full fledged adult?

....wow dude. Just stop.

He didn't say that. Stop with the binaries.

 

[SpectreFire]

What....the...I don't know where you've been, but this entire thread has been about an adult wanting to bone a 14 year old (we call them children where I'm from). And now I'm the one bringing it up? Ok, so then what the fuck are we talking about in this thread? The current state of the world bank? Sub prime mortgages? C'mon! This guy is a teacher that has desires and fallen in love with his 14 year old student. Maybe it's time to re-read the previous pages?

I know this may come as a shock, but when an adult discusses such things, the subject of its inappropriate nature tends to be brought up.

My discussion wasn't even started with you. I was replying to Busty's comment about being unable to imagine having an interesting conversation with a 14 year old.

It's because in the modern-age, we have this conception of age of childhood. The whole notion of children is a relatively new development. I forget the exact timelime, but I think it's the late 18th where the whole idea of children was born. Before that, what we know as children, were simply young adults. They didn't have kids back then, they literally had mini-adults. When you were 13, you were pretty much considered an adult, you had responsibilities, people could take you seriously, and you would be expected to be a functioning member of society.

The only reason we can't imagine having interesting conversations with 13 year olds these days is because as a whole, Western Society has regressed mentally. We've been so coddled as kids, by the same fact that the conception of children existing, that we're forced to remain infants til we're 18, despite the fact that mentally, we're capable of reaching that maturity level at a much earlier age.

Then you decided to butt in and make it into a debate about whether or not its appropriate about boning a 14-year old.

Yeah, it's a thread about wanting to date a 14 year old, it's also thread about a 14-year old being seen as mature enough mentally and physically to date. I'm tackling the mental part. You can argue about the physical aspect all you want, but the discussion I'm engaging in is about the mental only. Not my fault you're getting your panties in a bunch. Please don't tell me to leading reading comprehension when you refuse to acknowledge the derivative threads in this discussion.

She's pretty, intelligent and I know I'll never be able to have a chance at being with her so I've been down in the slums for the past few days because I'll never be able to see her again (or for a very long time).

People like Busty were having problems believing that 14 year olds can be considered on the same intellectual and mature wavelength as adults. I'm arguing based on that. If you think that's bullshit, then I can't stop you from thinking it, just like I can't prevent people from thinking rainbows are a result of a government conspiracy.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

He didn't say that. Stop with the binaries.

Either an adult teacher having sex with a 14 year old is right, or it's wrong. I'm pretty sure there's no middle ground with that one. I'm not a relativist on that one...

 

[SpectreFire]

Either an adult teacher having sex with a 14 year old is right, or it's wrong. I'm pretty sure there's no middle ground with that one. I'm not a relativist on that one...

There is always middle ground. Everything in life is subjective. By our standards, yeah it might be wrong. But if you're in a poor region where life expectancy is 45? Then maybe there it's right. There can't just be a black and white yes or no universal answer to a question like that when the background of so many people on this planet can be so wildly different. When you're dealing with human beings, you have to be a relativist, because human life and interaction is entirely relative. Like the popular phrasing goes:

"One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorists"

What our personal beliefs are, entirely rests on what kind of environment and background we grew up in. No one is really universally right or wrong, we are all just right and wrong in relative to everyone else.

All you and I can definitively say that by law in our region, it may or may not be legal. By Canadian law, the age of consent is 16 and there is authority figure protection latched on, so in Canada, no, an adult teacher having sex with a 14 year old is not right.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

There is always middle ground. Everything in life is subjective. By our standards, yeah it might be wrong. But if you're in a poor region where life expectancy is 45? Then maybe there it's right. There can't just be a black and white yes or no universal answer to a question like that when the background of so many people on this planet can be so wildly different. When you're dealing with human beings, you have to be a relativist, because human life and interaction is entirely relative. Like the popular phrasing goes:

"One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorists"

What our personal beliefs are, entirely rests on what kind of environment and background we grew up in. No one is really universally right or wrong, we are all just right and wrong in relative to everyone else.

All you and I can definitively say that by law in our region, it may or may not be legal. By Canadian law, the age of consent is 16 and there is authority figure protection latched on, so in Canada, no, an adult teacher having sex with a 14 year old is not right.

You're a hardcore moral relativist, I respect that. so am I, except when it comes to rape, slavery and sex with kids. You can justify ANY selfish behavior with that line of thinking. I doubt you'll be as much as a relativist once you have a daughter of your own after the realization dawns on you that there's legions of men willing to tell themselves whatever they need to in order to justify their desire to get into her panties.

Let me ask you this, how would YOU feel if a grown man...your daughters teacher fell in love with her and came to you to ask permission to date her? I highly doubt your response would be "Aw shucks...well...the age of consent is "14" in this country so she's all yours if she'll have you!

 

[Suairyu]

Either an adult teacher having sex with a 14 year old is right, or it's wrong. I'm pretty sure there's no middle ground with that one. I'm not a relativist on that one...

You keep changing what you're arguing. You asserted that he said a 14 a year old was a full-fledged adult, which he didn't say, hence my "stop with the binaries". Now you've suddenly changed tracks to "a teacher having sex with a 14 year old". You're being incoherent as fuck.

Everyone in this thread has the opinion that someone in their 20s sleeping with a 14 year old is wrong.
Everyone in this thread has the opinion that a teacher sleeping with a student is wrong.

It's all the ancillary bullshit you keep rambling on about that we take issue with. And then, when we express that issue with the ancillary bullshit, you make out that we're approving of an adult teacher having romantic relations with a 14 year old student.

You're being asinine to the extreme. You're not so much moving the posts as oscillating them back and forth to not let anyone express an opinion that isn't something along the lines of "OP is an almost-child molester".

And now you're doing the "what if she was your daughter" line of argument, which is the most intellectually base one in the world. Yeah, you can't reasonably argue your position so you're trying to emotionally manipulate people into agreeing with you. Which, by the way, is the exact sort of moral repugnancy you're meant to be arguing against when discussing teacher-student relations.

 

[SpectreFire]

You're a hardcore moral relativist, I respect that. so am I, except when it comes to rape, slavery and sex with kids. You can justify ANY selfish behavior with that line of thinking. I doubt you'll be as much as a relativist once you have a daughter of your own after the realization dawns on you that there's legions of men willing to tell themselves whatever they need to in order to justify their desire to get into her panties.

Let me ask you this, how would YOU feel if a grown man...your daughters teacher fell in love with her and came to you to ask permission to date her? I highly doubt your response would be "Aw shucks...well...the age of consent is "14" in this country so she's all yours if she'll have you!

I'd be pretty pissed off, because I was brought up in Canada and that's the belief system I have. My societal up bringing taught me that people here develop slower. Where as in parts of Asia, kids become mature mentally at 12, people here take much longer because it's not necessary for them to grow up that quickly. We value different development system. I can accept that here, most 12 year olds WILL act mentally immature, because they aren't raised as quickly, and therefore, having a mentally mature adult hit on them, is bad. But in a different society, where kids DO mature faster, and if I was raised there, then if their societal standards allow it, then I wouldn't have a problem with it either.

Look, I'm biased by my upbringing, we all are, we can't objectively say which is universally right or wrong. I will not stand for someone dating my daughter under those conditions, but I won't be offended if someone in a different country does it if their societal traditions allow for it and isn't abusive.

But like I mentioned, in a society where the life expectancy is 45, a 30 year old approaching a 14 year old for marriage would not at all be considered a bad thing, because in that respect, their relative ages are much different. All I'm saying is, you shouldn't judge a person's age as an absolute representation of their mental and emotional level.

 

[Poindexter]

Shhhh guys. Don't tell Mammoth Jones no one is actually saying the things he's arguing against. He likes moving goal posts and beating around direct questions with purely emotional responses. Don't take that away from him.

 

[dofry]

OP: New culture where everything is different, exciting and cool just messed up your head for a while. Too many nice girls and one of them happened to be underage which you ended up being friendly to and thus had too much time together.

Put your head in an ice-bucket and let it go man. Too young like you said yourself. You will forget her in a couple of months and you'll notice it was just your because of your time abroad, outside your element. Really.
Do not keep contact with her or it will take longer.

 

[Medalion]

This thread is just popcorn eating inducing

 

[Parallax Scroll]

I'd agree if the conversation were about two underage kids w/ each other. But this is a scenario between a child that may not know better and an adult that should know better.

The problem with kids is they're always in a rush to be grown but don't have the patience to just let it happen, so they try to emulate adult behavior and fail miserably at it. Even when they're NOT ready, because as children the prefrontal lobes of their brain aren't developed enough to help them think about the potential LONG term consequences of their actions. STD, Pregnancy, Birth Control, High Risk Behaviors...etc. Now add an adult to the equation that is manipulating the child for their own carnal needs...

http://www.decision-making-confidence.com/decision-making-in-adolescents.html

http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_..._behavior_problem_solving_and_decision_making

http://www.americanbar.org/content/.../crimjust_juvjus_Adolescence.authcheckdam.pdf

"If your teenager has ever done something you consider stupid, and your reaction was 'What were they thinking?' Well, the answer is they were thinking about doing that thing and the associated pleasure. They were not thinking long-term, nor considering the risks. Again, the hardware, the prefrontal lobes, simply isn't functioning yet in a way that allows them to consider the long-term consequences of their actions."

"New discoveries provide scientific confirmation that the teen years are a time of significant transition. They shed light on the mysteries of adolescence and demonstrate that adolescents have significant neurological deficiencies that result in stark limitations of judgment"

Now, is it right/fair/justified to allow an adult to engage in relations with those that aren't even biologically ready to think these sort of situations through?

I know teens make dumb decisions, but I had no idea they had mapped out the part of the brain responsible. Science!

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

This thread looks interesti...

 

[Metroid Killer]

Wtf Mammoth, you started out pretty damn good in the thread, being reasonable in your discussion, but somehow that changed the last 3 pages or so...

You keep putting words into people who are pretty much agreeing with you, except for a few semantics, you keep avoiding some of their arguments...


Why aren't you adressing this post Mammoth?

Kudos for Pointdexter for remaining calm throughout the thread, I'm sure most users would have bailed at this point. (and if it's any comfort, I do understand what you explicitly posted 3 times now )

 

[Alebrije]

What would happen if a 14 years old girl from U.S. goes to China ?

 

[mj1108]

if this is too much i'll delete it.

I wish we had the :lol smiley back. hahahaha....

 

[Toppot]

What would happen if a 14 years old girl from U.S. goes to China ?

It would appear that she would get in trouble for having sexual activity in another county (If she gets found out and it can be proven). If it is a Chinese resident participating in the act with her he's probably not doing anything unlawful, but if the guy is from USA to then he can also be prosecuted. For the guy coming from other countries, it would depend on the country, wikipedia only knows so much, and the research of laws having sex with underage people is unsurprisingly limited. Though it's most likely illegal for most contries.

So no running off to another country with a 14 year old. Just wait till they are the age of consent for where they are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Extraterritoriality

 

[Esch]

Sennorin, all i gotta say is that your posts thoroughly creep me out.

And the OP.

And Otrebor's story is fake as fuck.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

why is every other person on neogaf an expert on the difference between a paedophile and an ebrophile (or whatever it is), etc.? every time one of these topics comes up, there's a few hundred people saying it's perfectly normal to be attracted to a girl as long as she's at least 4 days into puberty. oh and "some 12-year-olds are wise beyond their years... they are mature both physically and mentally." what the fuck bros

 

[Bit-Bit]

Thread delivers!

 

[DanteFox]

why is every other person on neogaf an expert on the difference between a paedophile and an ebrophile (or whatever it is), etc.? every time one of these topics comes up, there's a few hundred people saying it's perfectly normal to be attracted to a girl as long as she's at least 4 days into puberty. oh and "some 12-year-olds are wise beyond their years... they are mature both physically and mentally." what the fuck bros

this.

It's painfully obvious who is trying to justify their morally dubious urges with some relativistic sleight of hand.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

lmao. Awesome.

 

[DanteFox]

So do you just not understand the question or something? Or are you completely dense? You don't even answer my questions. You just reply back with your holier than thou nonsense that doesn't address any of my questions.

I asked you if someone came up to you and showed you a picture of Angie Varona, not knowing anything about her, would your first response be "She's a 14 year old. You're sick." Are you that evolved that you can decipher age without a doubt just by looking? I somehow don't think that's true. And I don't think it makes anyone a sick fuck for finding them attractive.

I'm not saying it's okay to hit on your little sisters friend or fantasize about them and I'm not saying it's natural. I'm saying it's stupid, ridiculous and naive to believe that you can identify some arbitrary line decided by local laws with just your sight and no other knowledge.

Some girls develop faster than others and guess what, it doesn't automatically make you a sick fuck for mistaking a 16 year old for an older woman. The sick fucks are the ones who perpetuate these thoughts in their head and follow them with action.

Like I said earlier in this thread, every guy has had a moment where he says "Goddamn she's hot!" only to follow up with "wait, wtf. she's how old???" a few seconds later.

Oh but I'm sure you're the exception. *rolls eyes*

the fact that the op made thread 6 months later means he's beyond the point you described. He should have nipped it in the bud. That would have been normal. Now he's talking about it like he let a soulmate slip him by. That's NOT normal.

 

[shuri]

Lay off the name calling. He's a human being, and he didn't decide to be attracted to her. It is in no way his fault for feeling what he's feeling. What is important is his actions, not the underlying personality traits that he has zero fucking control over. He hasn't done anything, and he's come to us to talk him through because he's struggling with this issue.

You ought show him some god-damn respect for even being willing to bring this up, because he knew exactly the reaction he would get. You should not be punishing him for trying to do the right thing, you should be encouraging him and trying to help him make the right decision without debasing him.

Excellent parody post of the 'pedo defense force' just right here. I think

 

[Mailenstein]

I think her parents would probably OK a marriage between the both of you.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Wtf Mammoth, you started out pretty damn good in the thread, being reasonable in your discussion, but somehow that changed the last 3 pages or so...

You keep putting words into people who are pretty much agreeing with you, except for a few semantics, you keep avoiding some of their arguments...


Why aren't you adressing this post Mammoth?

Kudos for Pointdexter for remaining calm throughout the thread, I'm sure most users would have bailed at this point. (and if it's any comfort, I do understand what you explicitly posted 3 times now )

Yea.... Poindexter has been perfectly calm through this thread as he contends that anyone that doesn't find some underage girl "hot" is a "damned dirty liar!". With that said, what I took issue w/ Poindexter was his assertion that I found some girl with large breasts that happened to be like fucking 12 attractive. And his general theory that EVERY straight male with a pulse MUST find her sexually attractive. So please don't give me tripe about how it's so hard to tell a 12/14 year old from an 18 year old. This thread wasn't about that. Why must EVERY damned thread where discussions about underage girls ALWAYS devolve to that talking point? Does it justify it? Of course not, so please just stop.

Poindexter's original arguments seem to boil down to "Cmon, bro...look at them jugs...who cares if she's 12....STARE AT THOSE MAMMARIES!" (I know, a prime example of me clearly putting words into people mouths, but please, spare me a moment of hyperbole) Because to be fair, this is a guy who in his first post on this thread seems to think Rebecca Black is "very attractive and quit womanly" while conceding she's 13 in the same friggin' sentence...

Which was followed up by his refusal to believe that there's anyone that ISN'T turned on "Saaya Irie". I assume he's referring to the pic with her bent forward with her mammaries hanging over in a bikini. (and to reiterate, the only reason I know about it is because someone else tried to use the same damned pic as an argument that it's ok to be attracted to children...and 11 is a child so don't even bother debating that)

I think most sane people will concede that someone of that age can be considered "pretty". But there's a HUGE LEAP between saying someone is "Pretty" and saying they would love to have sex with them knowing their age. I have "pretty" family members, doesn't mean I'd love to have sex with them.

Like I originally said: There are men that have this thing called "self control" that *chose* not to think solely with their junk. Saying someone that young is "attractive" denotes physical lust...i.e. a physical attraction to them. There are some that can concede a young girl is going to blossom into an astonishing woman one day yet not fucking drool over her, know her age via the internet and her photobucket hack history and be able to list multiple underage internet pinup girls. That's just fucking creepy....oh, and I just think it's wrong to lust after someone so young. As a rational adult, it just can't take you to a healthy place.

 

[Poindexter]

the fact that the op made thread 6 months later means he's beyond the point you described. He should have nipped it in the bud. That would have been normal. Now he's talking about it like he let a soulmate slip him by. That's NOT normal.

Like I said earlier, I'm not defending the OP. I'm only arguing the mentality displayed by Mammoth Jones and others who think that anyone who has ever found someone under the age of 18 for any reason in any circumstance even the slightest bit physically attractive is a sick bastard.

Yea.... Poindexter has been perfectly calm through this thread as he contends that anyone that doesn't find some underage girl "hot" is a "damned dirty liar!". With that said, what I took issue w/ Poindexter was his assertion that I found some girl with large breasts that happened to be like fucking 12 attractive. And his general theory that EVERY straight male with a pulse MUST find her sexually attractive. So please don't give me tripe about how it's so hard to tell a 12/14 year old from an 18 year old. This thread wasn't about that. Why must EVERY damned thread where discussions about underage girls ALWAYS devolve to that talking point? Does it justify it? Of course not, so please just stop.

Poindexter's original arguments seem to boil down to "Cmon, bro...look at them jugs...who cares if she's 12....STARE AT THOSE MAMMARIES!" (I know, a prime example of me clearly putting words into people mouths, but please, spare me a moment of hyperbole) Because to be fair, this is a guy who in his first post on this thread seems to think Rebecca Black is "very attractive and quit womanly" while conceding she's 13 in the same friggin' sentence...

Which was followed up by his refusal to believe that there's anyone that ISN'T turned on "Saaya Irie". I assume he's referring to the pic with her bent forward with her mammaries hanging over in a bikini. (and to reiterate, the only reason I know about it is because someone else tried to use the same damned pic as an argument that it's ok to be attracted to children...and 11 is a child so don't even bother debating that)

I think most sane people will concede that someone of that age can be considered "pretty". But there's a HUGE LEAP between saying someone is "Pretty" and saying they would love to have sex with them knowing their age. I have "pretty" family members, doesn't mean I'd love to have sex with them.

Like I originally said: There are men that have this thing called "self control" that *chose* not to think solely with their junk. Saying someone that young is "attractive" denotes physical lust...i.e. a physical attraction to them. There are some that can concede a young girl is going to blossom into an astonishing woman one day yet not fucking drool over her, know her age via the internet and her photobucket hack history and be able to list multiple underage internet pinup girls. That's just fucking creepy....oh, and I just think it's wrong to lust after someone so young. As a rational adult, it just can't take you to a healthy place.

Wow you really are dense. You can't separate facetious statements from clearly laid out arguments. Especially the bolded part.

See below from my original post and actually address it please.

Some girls develop faster than others and guess what, it doesn't automatically make you a sick fuck for mistaking a 16 year old for an older woman. The sick fucks are the ones who perpetuate these thoughts in their head and follow them with action.

Like I said earlier in this thread, every guy has had a moment where he says "Goddamn she's hot!" only to follow up with "wait, wtf. she's how old???" a few seconds later.

 

[alphaNoid]

I wish we had the :lol smiley back. hahahaha....

 

[Woody Invincible]

why is every other person on neogaf an expert on the difference between a paedophile and an ebrophile (or whatever it is), etc.? every time one of these topics comes up, there's a few hundred people saying it's perfectly normal to be attracted to a girl as long as she's at least 4 days into puberty. oh and "some 12-year-olds are wise beyond their years... they are mature both physically and mentally." what the fuck bros

I have to concur with this statement.

 

[Timedog]

After a long absense I noticed this thread had gotten to 8 pages. I just read the PM, now I'm gonna be up for the next hour reading all this shit. Thanks a whole heap.

Also, love the pedophile definition arguments on this page too. Keep having a good look, GAF.

 

[sasimirobot]

epic thead. if this was a neck beard 20 year old, dudes would insta ban. but it is real

 

[staticneuron]

I think this thread is an amazing show of how cultural morals differ and how strong a taboo can influence peoples perception of wrong.

Worldwide the AoC ranges from 13-21 but does that mean a person who hasn't turned 21 is still a child? For those who disagree, what is your AoC? How do you know "you" aren't the ones that are wrong?

The line between child and adult is defined very well physically (puberty) but psychologically it isn't cut and dry. Imo, if someone is physically and mentally mature enough to make their own decisions then they are an adult. I have seen alot in my life and I find it humerus that even people that are past the age of consent still behave and reason like children. So it really should be case by case and not on some sort of sweeping generalization either.

 

[Celine]

adopt her = win

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/memes-in-china.jpg
if this is too much i'll delete it.

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[Timedog]

I didn't realize my joke post would be the real answer. Wow.

It's probably because everything about you is so beautiful and perfect