It was just so out of the blue and said with such nonchalance and seriousness. It was beautiful and I was hooked in.
Btw if anyone wants to watch a review by a GB fan who loved the movie I can't recommend this one enough. He did it off the cuff and even get's emotional in a positive sense, it's lovely.
It's heartwarming and positive and just a lovely heartfelt review.
It also blew my mind because he pretty much hits all my opinions on the movie, from how fun it is, to how cool the tech is to hoping for more but being so happy we got what we got.
the quick one-two punch, and I was like damnnn this humour is for me.
You know I keep hearing complaints about the villain but he's given more characterization than Gozer ever was, which still isn't much but Gozer is just Inter-dimensional destroyer sup!
And I'm also really glad there was no romantic subplot!
IGN are reporting that Sony are backing GB, as they are talking about a sequel already, despite not breaking any records at the box office, so looks like we might be getting a sequel anyway, the haters just can't catch a break with this one
IGN are reporting that Sony are backing GB, as they are talking about a sequel already, despite not breaking any records at the box office, so looks like we might be getting a sequel anyway, the haters just can't catch a break with this one
IGN are reporting that Sony are backing GB, as they are talking about a sequel already, despite not breaking any records at the box office, so looks like we might be getting a sequel anyway, the haters just can't catch a break with this one
This probably should have come out in a different time slot and been budgeted at a lower rate.
We'll see.
It's a weird case, it did great if you ignore budget and look only at box office and comedies, but that budget is going to make it nearly impossibly to profit off it.
This probably should have come out in a different time slot and been budgeted at a lower rate.
We'll see.
It's a weird case, it did great if you ignore budget and look only at box office and comedies, but that budget is going to make it nearly impossibly to profit off it.
I have read that the budget reported includes the previous production costs for the entires that didn't get off the ground, like Superman Returns or Frozen. Maybe Sony knew they would have to eat some of that in order to launch this planned franchise.
I have read that the budget reported includes the previous production costs for the entires that didn't get off the ground, like Superman Returns or Frozen. Maybe Sony knew they would have to eat some of that in order to launch this planned franchise.
Interesting. Do you have a link to that? I can't find that info anywhere. Here's hoping. Also Sony projected 40 and it made 46. This is such a weird thing because if it wasn't for the insane budget this would be a success alas of course with a more Heat/Spy like budget would the movie have suffered severely is the next question.
Also I just read an interesting comparison for McKinnon's Holtzman, she's Jeff Goldblum!
Interesting. Do you have a link to that? I can't find that info anywhere. Here's hoping. Also Sony projected 40 and it made 46. This is such a weird thing because if it wasn't for the insane budget this would be a success alas of course with a more Heat/Spy like budget would the movie have suffered severely is the next question.
Also I just read an interesting comparison for McKinnon's Holtzman, she's Jeff Goldblum!
I don't understand the hate for ghostbusters 2. Maybe i'm blinded by nostalgia.
I enjoyed it as a kid and still do. It's not as good as the first. True. But it's not garbage.
I have a feeling that if they do have a sequel to this, I dont think everyone will return to their roles, which is a shame cause they seem to work really well with one another.
Two of my female coworkers are in the office talking about movies playing right now, and one said to the other "Did you see there's a new Ghostbusters movie? I mean, it's not really. It's all females or something. My son told me he doesn't want to see it and I don't want to either, really." The other replied with "Yeah, me either. I'll be seeing that Pets movie though."
Two of my female coworkers are in the office talking about movies playing right now, and one said to the other "Did you see there's a new Ghostbusters movie? I mean, it's not really. It's all females or something. My son told me he doesn't want to see it and I don't want to either, really." The other replied with "Yeah, me either. I'll be seeing that Pets movie though."
Sony definitely fucked up the trailers but the first woman seems to have basically said they weren't actually Ghostbusters because they're women or something so dunno that a good campaign would have convinced her to see it.
IGN are reporting that Sony are backing GB, as they are talking about a sequel already, despite not breaking any records at the box office, so looks like we might be getting a sequel anyway, the haters just can't catch a break with this one
I have read that the budget reported includes the previous production costs for the entires that didn't get off the ground, like Superman Returns or Frozen. Maybe Sony knew they would have to eat some of that in order to launch this planned franchise.
Eh, I think this is a series that could benefit from having different directors. Feig did a great job establishing things but I'd be content to see someone new on the next one
(Reposting from another thread because I finally managed to get my thoughts together.)
I saw this for a second time recently and loved it all over again. Everything works. Ghostbusters is funny and entertaining the whole way through. I think I had even more fun the second time around.
One thing I really appreciate about this movie is how it's progressive in such an organic way, without coming off as forced or preachy. I enjoy how it subverts overplayed tropes like:
- the dumb blonde
- the hot receptionist (in this case the same character)
- cynical and overly skeptical authorities
- bumbling uncool scientists
- traditional gender roles
- credulous acceptance of the supernatural being a more enlightened alternative to science
The movie avoids or more often inverts these cliches with real wit. You'd almost think the villain was written as a satirical commentary on the dumb backlash. The bit about the Youtube comments is dead on. It's a genuine pleasure to watch a massive pile of nonsense turned on its head and harnessed for the righteous cause of pure goofy fun.
There's no way I can list all the things Ghostbusters does right. The art design is great, from the vivid ghost effects (I love how colorful they are), to Holzman's cobbled together inventions that look like they could explode any second. The soundtrack basically takes you by the ears and presses your face right up into the lively pulse that courses through the whole movie. I love the updated Ghostbusters theme and the orchestral score that goes from spectral wonder to boisterous kickass adventure mode. The plot is straightforward and even simplistic, but importantly, it's not so lean that it feels unsatisfying. And then there's the characters.
Holzman has incredible charisma. She gives every line a little something extra, and even when she's off to the side of the frame or in the far background she's so animated. Did you notice the little flirty spark between she and Erin? It's subtle enough to fly over the heads of prudish parents. Holzman's voice, expressions, body language... it all comes together in a kooky, memorable, one of a kind performance. Despite being surrounded by a very strong ensemble cast, this lady steals the show.
Patty is also a major standout. The trailers made her look like a borderline offensive stereotype of an urban black woman. I was happy when I first saw the movie and this turned out not to be the case. The second time, though, I really paid attention. I want to highlight the fact that Patty is instrumental to the team, and not just because she loans them a ride and pitches in to fight a few ghosts. At one point she mentions that she reads a lot of nonfiction, and sure enough, she's always dropping useful and relevant info about the city. Patty isn't just street smart, she's informed: she knows New York City and its history. She's resourceful in other ways too, like when the team has to improvise
a way to close the portal,
and she suggests they use
the nuclear reactor on top of their car.
Patty could have been a lame token character, but like the rest of them, she was written and performed with heart and real substance.
I have just as much to say about Erin and Abby, but I don't want to be here forever so I'll mention only a couple of points. Though this pair brings plenty to the table individually, they complement each other so naturally. Early on, their friction provides the hint of conflict the movie needs to start defining the characters. You've got to have contrasting personalities for a team movie to work. It's a simple and effective intro device to have Erin and Abby start off at odds and then rekindle their friendship over that first ghost encounter. I'm going out of my way to state the obvious here because I think it's interesting how they have a similar focusing effect on the people around them. It's through Erin and Abby that the other characters, especially the supporting characters like Kevin and Rowan (who I could also go on about), are integrated in the story, when they otherwise might have felt tacked on and distinctly separated from the core group.
Ghostbusters is such a joyful and earnest movie. I can't remember the last time I saw something like it. Maybe Speed Racer? But Ghostbusters is definitely better as an overall package. The plot, humor, characters, and productions values come together with spectacular results. It's got little tinges of the creepy, tender, and sexy. It's heartfelt and current (in the sense that there are small nods to the present social climate). It doesn't shy away from or trivialize charged concepts like sexism and suicide, yet it still manages to stay light. Most important of all, it has a totally genuine wide-eyed sense of fun. The characters have fun and the movie wants you to have fun. Even the credits are like party that doesn't want to end.
The preemptive backlash is hilariously off the mark. The Rotten Tomatoes aggregate ought to be higher. I'm prepared to call this movie a modern classic. It's certainly one of my personal favorites of the decade so far. I plan to see it a third time within the week.
(There are probably some lame typos in here, but they'll have to wait till later.)
It's a damn shame because I'd like to discuss the film with the "fans" but anything related to the film and positivity is just downvoted into oblivion.
the quick one-two punch, and I was like damnnn this humour is for me.
You know I keep hearing complaints about the villain but he's given more characterization than Gozer ever was, which still isn't much but Gozer is just Inter-dimensional destroyer sup!
And I'm also really glad there was no romantic subplot!
Just watched the movie. It felt incredibly lazy and by the books. With a handful of exceptions, the jokes are pretty limp and feel written by committee. Even the ones that are funny kinda stumble since the film doesn't have any real momentum with its jokes so it the jokes that land don't get as big of a response as they should. And the movie just kind of feels rushed overall.
And the characterization was all over the place. Kate McKinnon and Leslie Jones had distinct personalities but McCarthy and Wiig felt like they were doing whatever the scene needed their characters to do. It's especially disappointing because Wiig is really good when she's actually playing someone.
And why cast two character actors with incredibily distinct faces (Matt Walsh and Michael K Williams) as unimportant side-characters who do jack? It's distracting, albeit not as much as the cameos were. It's not a huge mark against the film but there are other great character actors who do suits much better.
The film looked good though, it had a really nice color pallet and Zach Woods was good as always. But I was hoping this would at least be better than Ghostbusters 2 which is maybe a 5.5 to a 6 and it wasn't. Maybe the sequel will be improved? Give it to someone other than Feig.
Saw this with the gf on Friday. It wasn't as bad as I was expecting. The ghost scenes were fun. I wanted to see it in 3D, but didn't get to. I'd bet the 3D effects would have been cool to see.
My 2 complaints:
- The humor; it was terrible. Watching the jokes fall completely flat in a movie theater where literally nobody in the theater laughed was painful. Most of these jokes were around the blonde girl (don't remember the name) and her humor, but the comedic writing was pretty much a turd all around. Patty's lines occasionally were good, but not enough to save the movie.
- The plot inconsistencies and extreme suspension of disbelief. Yea, I get that it's a comedy brain-off movie, and a lot of it was done to keep the movie moving along, but stuff like the hours to develop brand new technology, blowing up stuff in an alley and not having cops/anyone talk about it, etc really had me thinking "oh come on".
I don't regret going overall, but I won't be buying a blu-ray or anything. That said, I don't see what the stink was about. It wasn't a great movie, but hardly the worst one I've ever seen. That writing though...
Saw this with the gf on Friday. It wasn't as bad as I was expecting. The ghost scenes were fun. I wanted to see it in 3D, but didn't get to. I'd bet the 3D effects would have been cool to see.
Saw it today. Laughed pretty much the entire time. I quite like Feigs humor so not a big surprise. I'm adding Holtzmann to the top of my waifu rankings.
Also, I like that Ray Parker Jr. wrote the FOB theme. And I personally think that people *hating* on this film need to get the fuck over themselves. This is an average at worst film and really doesn't deserve any of the vitriol it's been getting. Personally, I liked it.
This might be the first live action movie I've seen where I 3D added to the experience. Not sure if it's the film itself or if my local theater upgraded the projector or something.
That entire scene was actually the one scene I felt could have been completely removed from the movie and no one would miss a thing, sadly. It really felt tacked on and unnecessary.
Ok, just got back from the movie. First of all, before I saw it I watched and read multiple reviews of this thing that ranged from it being good, meh, to terrible. (That just made me want to see it more). And I gotta say, It was not worth all this fuss. Don't get me wrong, I liked action scene in the third act. The other two, however, was such an underwritten, overly quippy slog to get through sometimes. It made me feel old, since is a problem with a lot of modern comedies.
It's like they were in such a hurry to get to the end that they cut out most of the needed character building and replaced it with snark and cameos and hoped the audience wouldn't notice. I wished this movie was longer so I could have gotten that much needed connective tissue. This was the first Paul Feig movie I've seen and hope this wasn't prime example of his quality overall. The villain was half-baked. Leslie Jones character was half-baked. She pretty much elbows her way in the group uninvited one scene and is almost out the door in another even though by that point she knows that
ghosts exist.
. When it was announced that she wasn't going to be scientist, I should have taken it as a warning. Such Lazy writing.
Wiig's character was all over the place being stiff one moment and neurotic the next. She telling a pretty serious story about her first contact with ghosts and how no one believed her (with serious faces and music and everything). You'd think that with how seriously that little aside was taken that it would be an important theme later on, facing your childhood fears and all that. Nope, doesn't happen, just *plop*. But she wasn't terrible so I'll let it drop. McCarthy was the only one with an actual character in this thing. She was the wide-eyed true-believer (The Ray) that carried on with her paranormal research even when her friend left her. Which goes to show how badly the writers failed everyone else here that they couldn't do the bare minimum for everyone else.
Which leads us to McKinnon's character Holtzmann. Look, I said I liked the final action scene and she's a big reason as to why. She's a bad-ass and I think that's why she's featured so prominently in the action. However, every other time she's there she goes from being mildly annoying to utterly grating, the definition of "good in small doses". I think she's Film Crit Hulk's fears made flesh about Hollywood writers confusing jokes for character growth and having them assume empathy from the audience. Why is she there, other than being the designated fan favorite?
I would have been fine with Chris Hemsworth's character being dumb if he wasn't too dumb to live dumb. It's like he's "I'm surprised he knows how to clothe himself" stupid. Which goes to my point that the world this movie takes place in makes no sense at all. For all the talk the characters do of how much of a threat the ghost are, almost no one actually gets hurt. Now, I wouldn't be bitching about this normally (it's for kids and all). However,
Bill Murray's character gets thrown out of a window and I assume dies (he's never heard from again), and it's more from Wiig's own incompetence than anything else. I mean no after credits scene where battered and bruised Bill Murray has to be sedated after ranting and raving about ghosts, no police department scene where the Ghostbusters are questioned after this obviously suspicious falling death, not anything.
It makes me think he did his cameo for the minimum amount of time before he was needed elsewhere and it shows.
It's not like there wasn't some good things there. I mean the end of the movie where the Ghostbusters
are pretty much a branch of the government now
is interesting stuff that they didn't have to take from the first film to do. I just wished there was a better written film surrounding it.
In short, I didn't hate my time at the movie, but I wouldn't see it in screens again, nor would I recommend it to others. And when in the last scene when the movie
sequel-baited us with Zuul
, I stood up and said get better writers next time.
I don't understand the hate for ghostbusters 2. Maybe i'm blinded by nostalgia.
I enjoyed it as a kid and still do. It's not as good as the first. True. But it's not garbage.
I watched GB2 at the weekend and it's still a good/great movie, just as it's always been.
If I was going to change anything major, I'd have given Winston more dialogue/character development and cut back on Louis. It was all too telling that Rick Moranis was higher up the credits than Ernie Hudson, and it felt like a mis-step.
took his own life, not really the same thing. The ghosts themselves didn't kill him, which the only causality of one in all of NY was Billy Murry's skeptic... the non-believer, "withholding" his endorsement of the film itself. which was a fun little twist in my eyes
Ghostbusters 2 will forever get a pass from me simply because Billy Murray screaming "Where do you think this is comin' from, THE SKY?" at the police officers makes me lose my shit every single time. His delivery is so good and it's such a bizarre line, I love it.
Ghostbusters II as a whole might not be very good (the plot seriously makes no fucking sense as a sequel) but it has so many great gags and scenes in it. Plus it gave us Slime Blowers AND they use an NES Advantage to control the Statue of Liberty.
I wonder if the Extended Cut BluRay will put
Murray's character being OK and wheeled into an ambulance
back in? Honestly seems like something that was cut because they HAD to get the movie under a certain time and it wasn't absolutely essential.
Ghostbusters 2 will forever get a pass from me simply because Billy Murray screaming "Where do you think this is comin' from, THE SKY?" at the police officers makes me lose my shit every single time. His delivery is so good and it's such a bizarre line, I love it.
Ghostbusters II as a whole might not be very good (the plot seriously makes no fucking sense as a sequel) but it has so many great gags and scenes in it. Plus it gave us Slime Blowers AND they use an NES Advantage to control the Statue of Liberty.
Ghostbusters 2 is a funny movie and a fun movie. It may be silly and dumb-but I like it. I saw it in theaters when I was 12 years old and I remember it very fondly.
Murray's character being OK and wheeled into an ambulance
back in? Honestly seems like something that was cut because they HAD to get the movie under a certain time and it wasn't absolutely essential.[/QUOTE]
What? How would that be non-essential? What could be cut would be something like the go nowhere joke about Ed Begley characters name (why did that think that was funny?) Rather than letting the audience know that character didn't die in a relatively deathless movie.
What? How would that be non-essential? What could be cut would be something like the go nowhere joke about Ed Begley characters name (why did that think that was funny?) Rather than letting the audience know that character didn't die in a relatively deathless movie.
I mean non essential to the plot. In a comedy movie you don't necessarily want to cut jokes, they are what make a comedy movie a comedy movie. The outcome of that scene has literally no impact on the rest of the movie at all, so I can see why they'd choose to cut it over a sequence that is actually integral to the plot, IE, introducing the team to the guy that owns the house they see their first ghost in.
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