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Are people actually playing the games or just trying them for a few minutes on gamepass? Because completion rates would surely tell a different story
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[GI.Biz | Opinion] How long can Microsoft float on goodwill?
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Are people actually playing the games or just trying them for a few minutes on gamepass? Because completion rates would surely tell a different story
Rykan
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That is not how any of that works.
Punished Miku
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Even trying it is better than not having even heard of most games on the top 20 list. Saw a ton of that and they weren't Xbox gamers.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Feels like this article is a little late.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Because they had other games to play and focus on?
You are confusing "relatively smaller, unknown games" with "more variety".
Punished Miku
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Im talking about most GOTY lists for 2022. Most of them also played the PS games too.
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TheRedRiders
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By some miracle they've still retained a... let's call it "loyal" fanbase even after the disastrous Xbox One period, and then even after Series X/S mediocre offering of first party titles and third party exclusives since launch. I think they'll be good for a while.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
While not so much GOTY candidates for myself I will admit I enjoyed them more than I thought I would
I know a lot of people want to replay GOW volume number 15 which I am fine with if thats what they enjoy but I haven't been able to finish GOW Ragnarok even though it won tons of awards
James Sawyer Ford
Member
An "Xbox Only" gamer didn't have access to some of the bigger AAA titles because Microsoft didn't release any. So it's no surprise that an Xbox only gamer had a bunch of smaller and unknown titles. That doesn't mean they had more variety.
If Microsoft released Halo, Gears, Starfield, Fable in the same year what do you expect an Xbox gamer's list to be topped off with? Not a lot of smaller indie GamePass games
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Wasn’t saying it was GOTY (although it should’ve won art style hands down) I was just saying it was ver successful and nobody really talked about it despite it literally always doing good ever since it came out in beta 3 years ago.
And I was one of those earlier players, year 1 to release are COMPLETELY different games.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
This is said for Sony and Nintendo. And Valve lol."A new Xbox game is releasi..."
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
No that's plenty.
I got nothing....
Gudji
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GHG
Member
Let me outline this because it's important for people to recognise. Games like High on Life, Pentiment and Hi Fi should be side dishes for the platform. Either that or games of that scope need to be released with greater frequency (at least 1-2 per month) for them to have any meaningful impact on the growth of the Xbox platform.
Last year Sony had games like Sifu, Stray and Kena release on their platform exclusively (console, I'm aware they are also on PC, as are all the aforementioned Xbox games). While different types of games, all of those are similar in scope to the games mentioned above and you didn't see anyone unironically saying things like "best new IP in a decade" or "GOTY" when we are in the first quarter of the year.
When you have people making statements like the above it points to a bigger problem and it is one which is embedded. There's a subset of people who are over compensating whenever games of this ilk are released and its possibly because they feel they have no choice. Xbox have put them in that position, nobody else. Xbox needs to get their house in order and either start releasing top quality AA games at a much higher frequency, or keep on doing what they are doing with the AA games and supplement that with some generation defining AAA games.
Nobody serious is saying stuff like Hi Fi Life or Pentiment are bad games, far from it, but with the current release frequency of those types of games people are not rushing out to buy console hardware or subscribe (and stay subscribed, this is actually more important) to gamepass in order to play them. I'm honestly starting to think that the most ardent Xbox fans don't realise that in defending the current state of Xbox they are only helping deepen their problems. If you want the platform to grow and thrive then something needs to change.
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gothmog
Gold Member
Gotta throw in Jim Ryan as well. Ryan's Antics.
In my opinion they need better project management and a better, more concise and consistent release schedule. "but muh COVID" ain't cutting it anymore. Hopefully Starfield impresses, I'm really hopeful that it will be good.
Punished Miku
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I never said they were Xbox ONLY gamers. Most Xbox gamers got it as a 2nd system.
This is just stupid. The tweet is stupid. Trying to assert that most MS gamers don't play the games and then overhype them to try and make it GOTY is a stupid argument. Most Xbox gamers on here weren't even hyped about Hi-Fi Rise until they tried it. I rated the show a 6/10 and had to increase the score after realizing the game was much better than I anticipated. It's incredibly obvious to anyone paying attention that Xbox gamers played a much wider variety of the GOTY games of 2022 last year, obvious in every discussion I've ever had on this site. The GOTY awards on here just demonstrated what everyone could see all year. Some of the side categories were embarrassing with how small and limited the scope of the votes were, and it was super obviously from a certain group.
And again, this wouldn't even be a discussion unless we saw multiple people trying to argue that Xbox gamers don't even play the games before trying to argue its GOTY. It's just a dumb argument; and particularly dumb when you know that Xbox gamers typically play a LOT of games and are well informed.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Because all of the above have been delivering the past 10 years.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Uh, no, this is not obvious, and you have not quantified or proven this in any way. Just "from what you've seen". Uhm, ok.
Punished Miku
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Well I'm up against a peer reviewed tweet. This is just an informal discussion. I never claimed anything but my opinion on it.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I'm not really interested in the tweet as much, just some of the claims you're making seem pretty out of touch with reality and seem to confuse "unknown" with "variety"
Kacho
Gold Member
This is the same chick that got dragged for shilling Forza when she only had an hour played or some shit. Microsoft employees were swooping in to defend her too. Gross AF.Xbox ambassador… yikes
DeepEnigma
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jufonuk
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So everyone who likes video games then ?
GHG
Member
The false narrative is that Playstation gamers don't like "real" games and only play AAA games, both from Sony and third parties. Meanwhile Xbox gamers are sophisticated, and would never waste their time on such trash. Oh wait... :
Such variety.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
The false narrative is that Playstation gamers don't like "real" games and only play AAA games, both from Sony and third parties. Meanwhile Xbox gamers are sophisticated, and would never waste their time on such trash. Oh wait... :
But have you SEEN
Riky
&
SenjutsuSage
's GOTY top 20 list???
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Remember when Indies/AA were not "real games" ... now it's "AAA are not real games"The false narrative is that Playstation gamers don't like "real" games and only play AAA games, both from Sony and third parties. Meanwhile Xbox gamers are sophisticated, and would never waste their time on such trash. Oh wait... :
Such variety.
I wonder why the narrative shift? And it will shift back again soon, bet.
Tams
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Punished Miku
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You can just quote what I said, because it wasn't that. You have to exaggerate it and make it seem more negative.The false narrative is that Playstation gamers don't like "real" games and only play AAA games, both from Sony and third parties. Meanwhile Xbox gamers are sophisticated, and would never waste their time on such trash. Oh wait... :
Such variety.
And again, just look at the GOTY categories here on GAF since you guys all like data so much. Real similar phenomenon at the Game Awards with Stray somehow beating out multiple superior games for a totally unknown reason.
TheGodfather07
Member
What goodwill? They just had their worst holiday period in the US in 10 years. They are already being affected hugely and are in a bad spot.
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Ash Sparrow
Banned
Seems Hi-Rush brought out the Salt.
Am I missing something? When I was in school a question mark meant you were asking aquestion.Xbox ambassador… yikes
James Sawyer Ford
Member
What superior games would those be? It's just opinions, man. Stray is a well produced, unique game. I don't think it belongs in the GOTY awards, but I also don't think some of the games you'd probably list should be either.
Elden Ring has more "variety" than the vast majority of the forgettable indie lists that you confuse with variety.
GHG
Member
I'm not singling you out because it's not just you who has said words to that effect in recent months.
You've reacted positively to many of those posts when they've come from other people. That means you're in agreement does it not? Or is it just a case of you egging them on?
schaft0620
Member
IMO Microsoft not being that great started around 2009 when the economy was down so instead of launching a new console they did the Kinect. I thought the Xbox One should have came out in 2010 - 2012.
Its been 14 years of them not being that great. I think they could last another 15 to 20. Now when you add a $70B Activision, I don't think Xbox will be given half of that.
Its been 14 years of them not being that great. I think they could last another 15 to 20. Now when you add a $70B Activision, I don't think Xbox will be given half of that.
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Sanepar
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Kvally
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Maybe not for you, but for me it looks awesome. Adding Hi-Fi Rush to the releases, I am looking forward to Forza Motorsport 8, AoE 2 and AoE 4, Redfall, Starfield, Stalker 2 (but those guys need all the time and safety they can get), Planet of Lana, Minecraft Legends and Replaced.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Minus Forza, they would have gotten all those games anyway via third party. Funny, that.
Punished Miku
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Seriously, she was supposed to leave off the question mark.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/forb...a-clear-‘elden-ring’-goty-competitor.1641467/
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/anot...ök-vs-elden-ring-voting-ends-nov-2nd.1642899/
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/coul...-ring-based-on-technical-superiority.1638113/
FalsettoVibe
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BrutalTruth_
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Your argument falls apart when you incorporate gamepass.The false narrative is that Playstation gamers don't like "real" games and only play AAA games, both from Sony and third parties. Meanwhile Xbox gamers are sophisticated, and would never waste their time on such trash. Oh wait... :
Such variety.
Why would I buy high on life? Why would I buy grounded?
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Don't get me wrong, I think 2023 looks GOOD for Xbox. It just doesn't look amazing. Good is certainly way better than downright awful which was 2022 for Xbox.
I am looking forward to trying out Hi Fi Rush, Redfall, and Starfield. But it's not shaping up to be a phenomenal year unless Starfield really takes me by surprise with its quality (I expect what I typically do of Bethesda games, it's probably gonna be solid but with disappointing gameplay mechanics).
GHG
Member
This is why:
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/phil-spencer-game-pass-leads-to-more-game-sales
But don't worry PC gamers on Steam will pick up the baton and attempt to keep things afloat. We got your back.
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jm89
Member
Can we vote this guy for president? Always on point.
Pelta88
Member
If you've seen Microsoft's financial / quarterly reports and refer to their legally binding statements, that they need to spend 68 Billion just to compete with their competition, I'd say no. Apparently not.
BrutalTruth_
Banned
Hi-Fi Rush already is a great start to the year, you can tell some of you are overlooking it and not even bothering to give it a chance.
It's getting lots of praise outside these forums, and neo isn't the only one claiming it's an early contender for GOTY.
Reviews will start rolling in and they're gonna be full of praise.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Dude, she is an ambassador, and influencer to the brand. No need to defend beyond that. All gamers should be disgusted with these frauds no matter the brand.
