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Giant Bomb @ E3 2016 | WEED3

EmCeeGramr said:
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give me this game
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When's Link going to get Malaria?
 
Yup, Zelda's got that Shadow of the Colossus/Dragon's Dogma gameplay.

Stream ran around for a minute or two trying to throw swords at a boar, too. Game looks charming as heck.
 
Oh wow, the RE7 Demo is straight up PTing with the discoverables and exploration of the house. Also it doesn't seem like RE's usual thing, which I'm oddly excited about. More supernatural less bullshit viruses.
 
Myggen said:
Seems like Brad was ready to do that during the Ubisoft stream, but he was under an embargo. Hope he talks about it during the staff impression part of the stream tonight.
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Sorry, I've been super detached. I thought that Wildlands demo looked alright, what are people hating on?
 
BobTheFork said:
I just don't think they need options for the main character in the Legend of Zelda. If you play as Zelda, I could understand that but most of the talk seems to be people hanging on Female Link in a way that doesn't make sense to me.

They don't need a female protagonist when the game stars Link every time. No one seems that interested in playing a different character, just a different Gender for the same character. It would be like people asking for female Mario instead of just asking for a new female character to play as. Link doesn't need to be a different Gender than he has been for 25 years; what they need is a new female lead for a new game or series.

I totally agree the explanation was crap. They should have just not tried to create and explanation when there really isn't one.
Nintendo should have just said 'you will play as Link throughout this new game' and that's all they need to say.
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I think the reason people jump onto female link instead of a new character is because the Zelda universe is setup in such a way that its possible. There are multiple links throughout time, maybe theres one thats a girl. Its as simple as that. If Link was a more singular consistent character and not a concept spread across multiple incarnations maybe more people would ask for Zelda/a new character instead and the tired comparison of "Well why dont people ask for female Mario?" would make sense.
 
Lijik said:
I think the reason people jump onto female link instead of a new character is because the Zelda universe is setup in such a way that its possible. There are multiple links throughout time, maybe theres one thats a girl. Its as simple as that. If Link was a more singular consistent character and not a concept spread across multiple incarnations maybe more people would ask for Zelda/a new character instead and the tired comparison of "Well why dont people ask for female Mario?" would make sense.
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Also Link has always been an avatar for the player, Nintendo specifically has always said that and never wavered on it.

Saying to half the world's population that, no, you don't get to feel like Link, have your token Zelda appearance...it has always seemed kind of shitty and just keeps seeming shittier with every refusal.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
They tried to gather mushrooms and a giant rock golem miniboss rose out of the ground with no warning, and then they Shadow of the Colossused it to hit its weak point, but got thrown off and killed with one hit.
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That's fantastic! I can't wait to hear them talk about this game, I hope at least one other person plays it in addition to Dan.
 
killroy87 said:
Sorry, I've been super detached. I thought that Wildlands demo looked alright, what are people hating on?
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The Gamespot guys complained about there being virtually no mechanics and it not feeling good to play, and that the environments felt really barren. Brad hasn`t spoken on it yet because he was under an embargo during the Ubisoft stream, but he did say that he couldn`t wait to talk about how different the game is from the very choreographed demos they`ve been doing for it.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
Also Link has always been an avatar for the player, Nintendo specifically has always said that and never wavered on it.

Saying to half the world's population that, no, you don't get to feel like Link, have your token Zelda appearance...it has always seemed kind of shitty and just keeps seeming shittier with every refusal.
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I think the issues are:
  1. They don't want any extra GG nonsense
  2. They don't want to create a story that has to consider a variable protagonist (making considerations like romantic interest)

I think the first issue is terrible and is just giving in to hate groups. I can kind of understand the second issue, but I think they should make the extra effort to make a dynamic storyline that could work for either player type. If nothing else, I'd like to see a Zelda game where you switch back and forth between Zelda and Link.
 
Sleeping Lesson said:
That's fantastic! I can't wait to hear them talk about this game, I hope at least one other person plays it in addition to Dan.
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Let me take a stab at it for you.

- Dan is going to love it and wonder aloud if he should wait for the NX version.
- Brad will repeat the thing about Twilight Princess Gamecube being several months later again.
- Vinny will ask a question about what's different this time.
- Dan will compare the open world to Skyrim.
- Jeff will make a comment that he is interested in the game but something something Wind Waker was the high point of the series.
- Brad will say he is interested in playing it but then will not actually ever play it and then speak dismissively about it later.
- Dan will say he is getting the amiibos as soon as they are available.
 
Lijik said:
I think the reason people jump onto female link instead of a new character is because the Zelda universe is setup in such a way that its possible. There are multiple links throughout time, maybe theres one thats a girl. Its as simple as that. If Link was a more singular consistent character and not a concept spread across multiple incarnations maybe more people would ask for Zelda/a new character instead and the tired comparison of "Well why dont people ask for female Mario?" would make sense.
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I agree that since it's a new Link you can do that but I think Link has been very consistent in character, even if there isn't much personality or character there. It's pretty much always the same Link.

It feels like the gender swap is a very low form of placating. I want to see people demand new female characters with personality. If there's no reason NOT to do it, then there is also very reason to do it.

It feels like just putting breasts on Link would be either a very shallow victory or someone's fetish. I don't want Hollywood to dig up dead scripts for failed sequel, cross out the male name and write in female names..DONE! I want to see them create for new female characters.

As it stand, Link is the star of Legend of Zelda games and Link is a male. I'd rather see some progression in new development rather then just trying to change one of those two facts.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
Let me take a stab at it for you.

- Dan is going to love it and wonder aloud if he should wait for the NX version.
- Brad will repeat the thing about Twilight Princess Gamecube being several months later again.
- Vinny will ask a question about what's different this time.
- Dan will compare the open world to Skyrim.
- Jeff will make a comment that he is interested in the game but something something Wind Waker was the high point of the series.
- Brad will say he is interested in playing it but then will not actually ever play it and then speak dismissively about it later.
- Dan will say he is getting the amiibos as soon as they are available.
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Dude, spoilers.

That second to last one is almost a given.
 
BobTheFork said:
I agree that since it's a new Link you can do that but I think Link has been very consistent in character, even if there isn't much personality or character there. It's pretty much always the same Link.

It feels like the gender swap is a very low form of placating. I want to see people demand new female characters with personality. If there's no reason NOT to do it, then there is also very reason to do it.

It feels like just putting breasts on Link would be either a very shallow victory or someone's fetish. I don't want Hollywood to dig up dead scripts for failed sequel, cross out the male name and write in female names..DONE! I want to see them create for new female characters.

As it stand, Link is the star of Legend of Zelda games and Link is a male. I'd rather see some progression in new development rather then just trying to change one of those two facts.
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I don`t really get the point about a new character. Link is one of the most iconic characters in video games. Getting a female version of that character would be HUGE for a lot of people. Of course new female characters would be cool too, but that doesn`t mean that a female link wouldn`t be awesome for a lot of people. It doesn`t have to be either or. I also don`t really buy the argument of Link being a consistent character since you don`t really lose anything by giving people the choice. Much of the reason why people have been asking for this is that Link is such a blank slate with virtually no personality of his own, so it`s the kind of character that you`re supposed to really invest a lot of your own personality into to make it real, so having the choice would be cool for women and girls.

If they have a big vision of the narrative that would preclude a female Link for some reason I could buy that, but every other argument I`ve heard is a bad one in my book.
 
Spirit of Jazz said:
Time elements aren't back so fuck it. Dead Rising without its most unique aspect is boring.
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Ugh, really?

I really liked Dead Rising 1 and 2 and I feel like they've just been watering it down more and more with every game. It was such a cool zombie rogue-like with time being the main enemy, now it's just a shitty AAA musou with zombies.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
Ugh, really?

I really liked Dead Rising 1 and 2 and I feel like they've just been watering it down more and more with every game. It was such a cool zombie rogue-like with time being the main enemy, now it's just a shitty AAA musou with zombies.
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Did 3 get rid of it? Only played 1 and 2. While I won't pretend it was my favorite feature or anything the time mechanic did bring a nice air of tension and strategy and planning to it. That's hype deflating though.
 
Spirit of Jazz said:
Time elements aren't back so fuck it. Dead Rising without its most unique aspect is boring.
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I really, really do not understand why they can't bring those back and just make an optional toggle to turn it off. I get that it turns a lot of people away from the game, but it is also the main selling point for a lot of people. Just make it the best of both worlds, now it's just another entry in the "braindead zombie murder simulator" genre. Zero interest.
 
Myggen said:
I don`t really get the point about a new character. Link is one of the most iconic characters in video games. Getting a female version of that character would be HUGE for a lot of people. Of course new female characters would be cool too, but that doesn`t mean that a female link wouldn`t be awesome for a lot of people. It doesn`t have to be either or. I also don`t really buy the argument of Link being a consistent character since you don`t really lose anything by giving people the choice. Much of the reason why people have been asking for this is that Link is such a blank slate with virtually no personality of his own, so it`s the kind of character that you`re supposed to really invest a lot of your own personality into to make it real, so having the choice would be cool for women and girls.
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Then I think the character shouldn't be Link or give people a choice of Link or Zelda. Maybe give some base character creation and a choice of gender.

It's not like I think Link is sacred but I the character has been around for a very long time and the idea of changing the gender of an established character has just never connected with me. Either you want the main character to be Link or not and if not then there are plenty of ways that can be done.
Yes, given the chronology of the series and the fact that's not the same Link each time, it would work. It just feels like people want to be able to say 'You now play as a female character in one of the longest running and most populate series ever!' in a way that doesn't feel like progress.

Creating a game around the idea of playing as Zelda would be much more welcome to me.
 
Gooster said:
Did 3 get rid of it? Only played 1 and 2. While I won't pretend it was my favorite feature or anything the time mechanic did bring a nice air of tension and strategy and planning to it. That's hype deflating though.
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I can't remember if 3 got rid of it. I know you can miss sidequests, I don't recall if the main story worked that way.

But DR3 bored me to tears so I don't really remember.
 
So far the areas look neat and the new mechanics look great, but I can tell they don't want to give any story hints away so it all kind of looks like the stuff you do in between dungeons and such which may turn people off the game.

But it still looks pretty good.
 
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