PC gaming truly is superior
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PC gaming truly is superior
Haunted
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Oh please, I can think of a dozen cases where this might be an inconvenience for regular people, let alone enthusiasts like us.
This is indefensible.
List all dozen of them. Go ahead and don't bother with cases that could easily be resolved through Nintendo's impeccable customer service.
Doesn't even need to be SSD sometimes. Dead Rising 2 will make a pc believer out of anyone. It was like a whole new world.
With an SSD, Win7 loads up faster than any console, and I can be in a game and playing quicker than 360, PS3, and definitely Wii U. Also with the deserved death of Games of Windows Live, online is much better, and games are almost always way, way cheaper. That's even without them looking from better to OMG. Mods too, especially for those older games to get them looking and playing better than they ever did back in the day. Throw in Big Picture Mode, and fuck consoles seriously.
Yeah, PC gaming is great. I'll probably only get Nintendo consoles from now on for first party stuff.
Haunted
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As long as talented first parties exist, consoles will always have their place. It's just a matter of how much inferior of an experience you're willing to stomach.
It's a compelling argument for sure. If there were less scummy 'build it for you' places out there, I wonder how the world would go. I know people will say others should build it themselves, and that it's so easy, but some people just don't have the time/want to learn about motherboards, video cards, drivers, and everything else. The popularity of Apple kind of accentuates that. I usually recommend people the NewEgg SuperCombos.
I need to buy a SSD, but I'm planning on building a new PC from scrap sometime next year.
I'm also curious what will happen when the 360 controller is replaced by the new Durango controller. Will publishers adopt that, or will the 360 controller remain the de facto gamepad on PC.
A good thing there is you can keep the laptop as your computer computer and then just build a desktop to connect to your tv.
It does take a lot of research for sure, but people should be informed before they drop $400+ dollars on something. Though an easily understandable general dummy's guide would greatly increase adoption which would point out things like "Why do CPUs have a speed rating?" or "Motherboards will only accept certain CPUs".
Can you get customer service online or just by phone? I'm pretty much screwed since Nintendo doesn't exist here.
It'll depend on how different the Durango game pad is. I imagine it'll be basically the same, the dev kits have 360 pads apparently. The reason the 360 pad is standard is because it's widely available, and lots of games are just 360 ports. MS could easily choose to populate the market with PC versions of the Durango if they wanted to.
There are so many games now that first party doesn't mean what it once did for me. I'm sure Halo 4 is great, but so is Borderlands 2 and Binary Domain and like a million other shooters. I can see someone saying it's worth it for Nintendo, but with all the indie platformers out there I'm pretty well set on that front too. I'm not getting an inferior experience. A different one maybe, but one that runs at 60-120 FPS with mind-blowing visuals. If I didn't occasionally play Move games with friends my consoles would be inert.
There's stuff like Alienware if you want a prebuilt that will run killer games, and don't mind spending the extra. I've been assembling PCs for a while now, and the process keeps getting easier and easier. Everything is marked and color-coded, and there's almost no points where you can do irreversible damage. Putting in an SSD is connecting two cables. That's it. Win7 handles the rest.
Stuff like this makes me happy. I'm hoping to maybe go to an American university soon and look forward to Newegg prices (having lived in SEA/AU most of my life) and maybe building my own PC for a reasonable price.
I think you are, Darksiders at 120fps still pales in comparison to the design quality of a Zelda. There is no character action game on PC that even resembles the quality of Bayonetta. There are exclusive games which have no parallel on PC.
Forget Darksiders. Instead of Zelda, I have Dark Souls.
Bayonetta has no equal, sure, but I've played it already, and found my own tastes have drifted away from fighting games in general. Bayonetta 2, if it changes things up, will be tempting, but I have so many other great games to occupy my time that it won't bother me much. Rising might come to PC, but lack of a dodge has me kind of ehh on it.
Nintendo's first party is really the only thing I would miss if I were to just go straight PC. The fact is what they make is so completely different to Microsoft's and Sony's first party offerings that could also be replaced by third party offerings.
When the other two next gen systems land I want to see how much of a clusterfuck it's going to be. More complexity means more chances things can go to hell.
When the other two next gen systems land I want to see how much of a clusterfuck it's going to be. More complexity means more chances things can go to hell.
I don't know. This goes on either side of the argument, but there are so many games out there these days that I've stopped caring about 'oh I can't play that game' because there's so many other options. I mean, Grand Theft Auto is the only series that I even day one anymore. If Yakuza 5 doesn't come out over here, I'll be sad, but there's plenty of other games I'll be playing instead. There's so much versatility in the game market right now that the few exclusives out there don't matter that much.
Haunted
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I agree with you, mostly.
And you misunderstood, I didn't mean inferior experience by virtue of missing out on some of these console exclusives - I meant the experience is inferior when you decide to play one of those console exclusive games (at a worse framerate, in lower resolution and with longer loading times) than on PC.
It's a matter of how much worse of an experience people are willing to stomach to experience those exclusives. The Wii's lack of power to other competing consoles crossed a breaking point for many. Looking at the WiiU compared to a modern PC (both in power and online infrastructure), we might be looking at a similar reception.
I'm not saying there isn't enough great games on PC to saturate a healthy gaming appetite without looking elsewhere, just that I do think some of the very best games are exclusive, and will remain exclusive. If I hadn't played Journey this year, my experience of gaming this would be substantially less, that's not to say it wouldn't still be great.
The question becomes how much do you value those games. Is it worth paying £300 for the Wii U to play Bayonetta 2? If not, how many games does it require before it is worth it? I certainly don't disparage people being PC only, but I also don't think it's unusual if you own all systems, you just have a lower barrier of value, or you value money less.
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Add to that that the most compelling argument for a WiiU (for me, for now) is ZombiU and the promise of Monster Hunter 3G Ultimate, and buying a WiiU at launch becomes a losing proposition real fast.
My brain is telling me to wait for the library to grow and the OS to be patched and improved before considering one, but who knows what my Nintendo-loving heart might do in a weak moment. >_>
For me the balance will tip when Smash Bros Wii, Bayonetta 2, The Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3 are all out at the same time. Given that I have a very unstable income at the moment, the WiiU is an extraordinary expense right now. If, say, I was out of Uni and earning a decent salary (and living at home still) it would be more feasible, but I have to learn to - gulp - prioritise. PC gaming is very cheap (per software - hardware was more expensive, but it'll last for another three years I think at this point) and the dollar->fun proposition is far, far better.
Is it confirmed if MonolithSoft's next thing is gonna be a crazy-wicked JRPG?
I am revising my previous statement, Bayonetta 2 on its own is probably a system seller for me.
I'm also kind of bitter about consoles in general right now because of bad experiences with the Vita and 3DS. Not always for me, but I bought both day one, and I still don't see enough games that made me happy I bought the system. It's completely fine that other people do, but for me personally, Mario 3D Land is literally the ONLY game that I was glued to.
A big reason I emphasize the PC stuff is because I'm just a real minimalist/neat freak. All my books, movies, etc are digital, so I want my games to be too. A big reason why I got way more into PC was because my internet had been broken for the last 'year'. It barely worked and when it did, it wasn't great. I ended up getting it fixed and upgrading my internet, and now it's incredible.
I do wonder if Jeff will become more like Vinny now that he has faster internet. I've got almost completely empty shelves aside from 3 figures, and it's kind of awesome. I don't know what I'll ever do with that empty space, but I appreciate that I have it. I would probably consider consoles more if I trusted them with delivering on the digital front, but I absolutely do not trust MS, Sony, or Nintendo on that front.
A big reason I emphasize the PC stuff is because I'm just a real minimalist/neat freak. All my books, movies, etc are digital, so I want my games to be too. A big reason why I got way more into PC was because my internet had been broken for the last 'year'. It barely worked and when it did, it wasn't great. I ended up getting it fixed and upgrading my internet, and now it's incredible.
I do wonder if Jeff will become more like Vinny now that he has faster internet. I've got almost completely empty shelves aside from 3 figures, and it's kind of awesome. I don't know what I'll ever do with that empty space, but I appreciate that I have it. I would probably consider consoles more if I trusted them with delivering on the digital front, but I absolutely do not trust MS, Sony, or Nintendo on that front.
I don't really think Jeff will become like Vinny, although he might warm to PC gaming more and more since I feel like he's in a weird place with the absence of a strong 360 line up and he's in a similar situation to the consoles themselves. I think Jeff is a weird hoarder by nature, and that's fine, he just seems to like keeping random things even though they might not even be that sentimental.
Until streaming matches bluray, I'll be forced to still own horrible plastic boxes, so game boxes aren't a huge additional disadvantage. Although I own very few boxed games, I tend to double dip on Steam during sales and trade in the boxed games.
I bought a 3DS and a Vita, and sold both. That's a case where I'm unwilling to deal with the sacrifices of the platforms for the exclusive games.
I bought a 3DS and a Vita, and sold both. That's a case where I'm unwilling to deal with the sacrifices of the platforms for the exclusive games.
I would assume so since they can't actually make a non-RPG game (Disaster: Day of lol). The teaser art of their game looked spectacular.
I think an interesting thing to note is that I paid $250 for a Vita (admittedly only like a month ago) with Lumines (which is awesome) and Wipeout (which I don't intend to play) and I don't feel ripped off at all, primarily because it's a sexy piece of hardware and also because of Virtue's Last Reward. I don't own a tablet or any really powerful portable device, though, so that might be a big part of it.
DragonZord - books. When, if, I get a house, I am going to have a god-damned library.
DragonZord - books. When, if, I get a house, I am going to have a god-damned library.
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So what happened between "trying" to support games and eventually pirating them?
Buying games is too expensive!
Money and convenience issues, I would hazard. I think convenience is a huge factor in piracy that is critically underrated by a lot of studios/publishers (sans Valve). R4 piracy back in the day could probably have inspired a viable downloadable games store platform for the DS, had it been promoted with the console from day one and supported by rolling sales.
Not even in a theoretical analysis of market implications?
Not even in a theoretical analysis of market implications?
I notice video quality, but it's just not that big of a deal to me.
I'm the kind of person who will only ever watch a movie once though.
It's fine if we're speaking in theoreticals and hypothetically. Not that I pirate games mind you.
Anyway pirating is mostly a service problem because the product that is pirated is, most of the time, a better product than a legit version because it doesn't have bullshit DRM, going through clients, signing up to a third party system, DLC unlocked and is free (duh). Steam has done a really good job of removing most of those problems (automatic patching, preloading, easy and secure payment, DRM is value additive with community features) but there are some prolific pirates who will never stop. They are a lost cause.
Usually when I watch such a stream of a new console I get more excited. Even the Vita one made the system seem pretty cool. This Wii U stream just made the whole thing make worse the longer it went on. From the load times, to the terrible designed and sluggish menus and the shoddy 3rd party games it was just total disappointment. I now no longer think I made a mistake of canceling my pre-order. I'll wait for the other hardware to come out instead. Should the Wii U find it's own down the line ok, but at this point it's a no buy.
Hah! I don't have a reason to, I actually have money and a Steam account now!
And my backlog is big enough as it is ;_;
I played the hell out of the 360 version and it didnt look much different to me.
It will be 4 hours long.
I played the PC version and it definitely had frame drops and slowdown.
It looked very different and I even played it on PS3.
Yeah, you can do that, you just can't admit to having pirated stuff.
AHA-Lambda
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Anyone got a timemark for when they realise when the account messup? I kinda wanna see it for myself =/
They get confirmation from Nintendo support around 4:44:00 on this stream: http://www.twitch.tv/giantbomb/b/341162921
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