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[Dark Schala]

Why is that weird? Xenoblade is nothing like Xenogears and Xenosaga.

Everyone including myself assumed that I wouldn't like Xenoblade because I didn't like the other two since the development teams behind both Xenosaga and Xenogears made design decisions that didn't jive with me. I assumed that it'd be the same thing here.

I'm pretty happy that Xenoblade was nothing like the other games, though, in terms of narrative and battle engine. Thank goodness.

Well, don't the magic users live with the non-magic users, thus breeding magic-use into all of humanity?

No.

A splinter off of Lavos's core (which became the Frozen Flame in Radical Dreamers and Chrono Cross) allowed some to utilize magic and were infused with the magic gene. Not everyone could use magic. It's assumed that the people who were able to use magic died out, and thus humans in eras post 12 000 BC could not use magic at all. I'd liken it to being a recessive gene. Both parents had to have it in order to use magic. If the other parent did not have that gene, then the children could not use magic... but they had the potential to use magic (ex: why Crono, Marle, Lucca and Frog could use magic).

Because of that comment of 'someone near you needs help', because it's an unresolved thread for Magus and because he doesn't really have his own subquest (Ozzie's is kindasorta) it seemed like something was missing

This quote never ever referred to Schala at all.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Well, don't the magic users live with the non-magic users, thus breeding magic-use into all of humanity?

Pretty sure that breeds it out of humanity. Or makes it dormant. Either way, there's no dudes left in 600AD who can use magic, soooooo yeah.

 

[obonicus]

A splinter off of Lavos's core allowed some to utilize magic and were infused with the magic gene. Not everyone could use magic. It's assumed that the people who were able to use magic died out, and thus humans in eras post 12 000 BC could not use magic at all. I'd liken it to being a recessive gene. Both parents had to have it in order to use magic. If the other parent did not have that gene, then the children could not use magic... but they had the potential to use magic (ex: why Crono, Marle, Lucca and Frog could use magic).

I meant the potential. As to the rest, is that established anywhere in the game? You head there with a living thing born after 12000 BC, and presto, they can use magic. You go there with someone born before, and Spekkio can't help you.

This quote never ever referred to Schala at all.

Yes, I read that, but 15 years ago we didn't have that information. All we had was that quote, so you naturally assumed something was missing. So you went looking for Schala.

 

[thetrin]

Pretty sure that breeds it out of humanity. Or makes it dormant. Either way, there's no dudes left in 600AD who can use magic, soooooo yeah.

Yeah, basically. No one has magic until Spekkio teaches the group at the End of Time.

 

[webrunner]

Yeah, basically. No one has magic until Spekkio teaches the group at the End of Time.

Presumably Melchior, Gaspar, and Belthasar do, being they are from Zeal and were thrown to other time periods.

 

[thetrin]

Presumably Melchior, Gaspar, and Belthasar do, being they are from Zeal and were thrown to other time periods.

Presumably, but they never teach anyone.

I think Patrick and Ryan did a great job against Lavos, and the ending in general. The live episode was fantastic. I was one of the people that had their heads in their hands early on, they really did a great job in the last episode.

 

[obonicus]

Pretty sure that breeds it out of humanity. Or makes it dormant. Either way, there's no dudes left in 600AD who can use magic, soooooo yeah.

Sorry, I meant: bred it in as a latent ability. I assume that the people living on the ground in 12000BC were more like Ayla in that they lacked even the ability to learn magic.

 

[Dark Schala]

I meant the potential. As to the rest, is that established anywhere in the game? You head there with a living thing born after 12000 BC, and presto, they can use magic. You go there with someone born before, and Spekkio can't help you.

Well, it's like you said--Ayla can't use magic at all because she was born prior to the time when humans could use magic. It implies that humans born after Lavos fell can use magic, but humans born before could not. Spekkio notes that magic comes from the the heart, and I took it to mean both literally and figuratively. Most of the info I wrote was expanded upon in Chrono Cross via the Frozen Flame dialogue.

The Earthbound couldn't use magic since their ancestors didn't come into contact with the Flame.

Of course, this kind of falls into my theory of Lavos intentionally bestowing magic to the rest of humanity so that they can reach their highest potentials in order for it to obtain the best genetic data possible prior to breeding asexually. Edit: don't forget that the Frozen Flame was also basically their "missing link" provider too.

Yes, I read that, but 15 years ago we didn't have that information. All we had was that quote, so you naturally assumed something was missing. So you went looking for Schala.

lol, well yeah. That's how I took it when I was little.

I don't think Kato and his crew would have the incentive to develop a Chrono sequel (ie: Radical Dreamers) focusing on Schala based on a quote from the English version of the game, though. Chrono Cross was essentially a game that fulfilled and extended the narrative of Radical Dreamers albeit with a more depressing plot. :/

I still hold that the RD ending was better.

I think Patrick and Ryan did a great job against Lavos, and the ending in general. The live episode was fantastic. I was one of the people that had their heads in their hands early on, they really did a great job in the last episode.

Completely agreed. They didn't do so bad!

 

[LuchaShaq]

Seriously. Jeff finds them abhorrent for some reason but you could tell Patrick had a shitload of fun with this, Ryan too. I don't see why this has to be a seldom used feature.

When you get asked about it nonstop in basically every way possible, plus people bombarding you with spoilers/complaining/troll comments when you do one, I can see why he wouldn't ever want to do one again. Just seeing the people in the comments/this thread would be more than enough for me to just say never.

 

[gunbo13]

Just seeing the people in the comments/this thread would be more than enough for me to just say never.

They are at work dude. Having thick skin means professionalism. Raging is lack thereof.

 

[Papercuts]

Nier is the perfect ER game. Truly perfect. It's incredible and stupid in equal measure.

I could see them getting stuck at the fishing segment. I would literally explode.

 

[LiK]

I could see them getting stuck at the fishing segment. I would literally explode.

I must be one of 5 guys in the world who didn't get stuck there....

 

[Dark Schala]

I could see them getting stuck at the fishing segment. I would literally explode.

I'd laugh so hard if this happened. They'd have to get at least Ending B. I liked that one.

I don't see an ER of Nier happening because they did a Quick Look of it already. If they did one, I'd want Vinny to be a part of the team if he isn't too busy.

 

[Curufinwe]

Nier would be a terrible game for anyone at Giant Bomb to play.

 

[Einhander]

Well I watched where I left off from yesterday's live stream. They did a good job on their battle against Lavos. Regarding what they should play next, if another endurance run is in the cards, and providing they want to play another classic RPG, Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Cross, and Xenogears would cool.

 

[Haunted]

co-op ER needs to happen next.

YES!

X-Com run. X-Com run.

Way too hard for anyone at GB except maybe Dave and Vinny (victory through patience)

Nier is the perfect ER game. Truly perfect. It's incredible and stupid in equal measure.

I can see that... but it has too many boring sidequests.

I recommend Secret of Mana next.

Seiken Densetsu 3. Similar mechanics, but at least that one would be new to more people. The game should have a certain obscurity.

 

[sixghost]

Well I watched where I left off from yesterday's live stream. They did a good job on their battle against Lavos. Regarding what they should play next, if another endurance run is in the cards, Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Cross, and Xenogears would cool.

I can't imagine them doing another JRPG. Hopefully they do something more out of leftfield.

 

[Einhander]

Would be amazing if they played Mother 3. So good.

Mother 3 spoiler

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They would lose their shit when Hinawa dies and Flint loses it and attacks villagers.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Would be amazing if they played Mother 3. So good.

It's perfect. But Nintendo would bitch.

 

[Dark Schala]

Would be amazing if they played Mother 3. So good.

Mother 3 spoiler

Spoiler

They would lose their shit when Hinawa dies and Flint loses it and attacks villagers.

This would be a great game for them to try out.

But unfortunately it wasn't released here officially, so I don't think they could do it. Nintendo certainly wouldn't let them do it.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Nier would be a terrible game for anyone at Giant Bomb to play.

Yeah, it has an incredible emotional payoff, and the core gameplay is competent, but to get the most out of the game you need to 100% it, which involves completing a bunch of really tedious (to the point you strongly suspect cavia is actually trolling you, given the dialogue involved) sidequests.

And yeah, Mother 3 is an impossible dream to the fact that they would never get away with doing an ER of a translated ROM of a Nintendo game.

 

[Einhander]

It's perfect. But Nintendo would bitch.

Indeed.

Or I'd love to hear their reactions to this Mother 3 scene.

Mother 3 spoiler

Spoiler

A villager tells Flint that he has good news and bad news and which does he want to hear first. He tells him that the good news is he found a Drago fang, and the bad news is he had to rip it out of his wife Hinawa's heart.

They would be crushed.

 

[Curufinwe]

I still say a mini ER of Brad and Vinny playing REmake would be awesome.

 

[backlot]

This would be a great game for them to try out.

But unfortunately it wasn't released here officially, so I don't think they could do it. Nintendo certainly wouldn't let them do it.

Did they actually have to get Square-Enix's permission to do this endurance run? I don't know how the legality works for this stuff.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Did they actually have to get Square-Enix's permission to do this endurance run? I don't know how the legality works for this stuff.

Fair Use bla bla bla probably

If SOPA went through they'd have the potential to be fucked

 

[Einhander]

But unfortunately it wasn't released here officially, so I don't think they could do it. Nintendo certainly wouldn't let them do it.

And yeah, Mother 3 is an impossible dream to the fact that they would never get away with doing an ER of a translated ROM of a Nintendo game.

Couldn't they work something out with Nintendo if they owned an original cart of Mother 3? Would Nintendo allow them to play the translated ROM then?

 

[Hot Coldman]

Couldn't they work something out with Nintendo if they owned an original cart of Mother 3? Would Nintendo allow them to play the translated ROM then?

No

Glamorisation of a misinterpretation of a Nintendo work is not something Nintendo would be cool with at all (glamorisation by way of furthering public knowledge of it, and misinterpretation by way of it not being an official Nintendo-approved translation)

 

[backlot]

I'm honestly not sure if Nintendo would even care. They didn't say anything when fans translated the game so I don't know why they'd say anything if a website made videos about it.

Giant Bomb might have some apprehensions about using ROMs and piracy stuff, though.

 

[Einhander]

No

Glamorisation of a misinterpretation of a Nintendo work is not something Nintendo would be cool with at all (glamorisation by way of furthering public knowledge of it, and misinterpretation by way of it not being an official Nintendo-approved translation)

Yeah, I'm sure they wouldn't. It's a shame because by doing a Mother 3 endurance run, it would expose the series to more people, giving it promotion. Granted, the game was released on GBA, but perhaps there would be some incentive there, if Nintendo would be fine with it, and indeed, that's a big if.

 

[Curufinwe]

It's probably time for them to do a Western game if they do another ER this year.

 

[Chris R]

Mother 3 should be released on the 3DS shop

 

[Dark Schala]

Not to mention that Mother 3 is pretty hard to find now.

By exposing the series to potential players, these potential players may want to go out and track down a copy of the game. Since the game was not released domestically, and since it isn't readily available on import sites or Amazon Japan (and apparently it's expensive on eBay), I get the feeling that they won't play the game by importing it.

Chrono Trigger was different because it's on VC, DS and PSN at the moment, so people can readily buy it.

 

[Einhander]

True. I guess I meant it as people getting exposed to the series in general. I only own one imported game and that is Mother 3. I'll treasure that cart forever.

 

[LiK]

Give up hope on Mother 3.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Not to mention that Mother 3 is pretty hard to find now.

By exposing the series to potential players, these potential players may want to go out and track down a copy of the game. Since the game was not released domestically, and since it isn't readily available on import sites or Amazon Japan (and apparently it's expensive on eBay), I get the feeling that they won't play the game by importing it.

Chrono Trigger was different because it's on VC, DS and PSN at the moment, so people can readily buy it.

Not to mention the iOS version was released not long after the ER started. Bit convenient, innit? (I'm not implying I believe Square paid them to do the ER or anything batshit insane like that, just saying Square wouldn't have minded GB getting people talking about Chrono Trigger again)

 

[Brandon F]

Not to mention the iOS version was released not long after the ER started. Bit convenient, innit? (I'm not implying I believe Square paid them to do the ER or anything batshit insane like that, just saying Square wouldn't have minded GB getting people talking about Chrono Trigger again)

Coincidental. I may be wrong, but I recall CT being announced for iOS long before the ER CT reveal.

 

[Dark Schala]

Not to mention the iOS version was released not long after the ER started. Bit convenient, innit? (I'm not implying I believe Square paid them to do the ER or anything batshit insane like that, just saying Square wouldn't have minded GB getting people talking about Chrono Trigger again)

Yep. I wonder how many people ended up investing in any of those versions as a result of the ER?

Coincidental. I may be wrong, but I recall CT being announced for iOS long before the ER CT reveal.

The iOS version was announced in November 2011. Nope! Announced in September at TGS. I think the ER was announced during the September Live show?

 

[Hot Coldman]

Coincidental. I may be wrong, but I recall CT being announced for iOS long before the ER CT reveal.

I know, my point was just that Square would have enjoyed the fact they decided to do a CT ER, rather than trying to shut them down

 

[Einhander]

It would be awesome if they hired Jeremy Parish. Besides writing articles, he could do JRPG ERs, Quick Looks, and perhaps creating his own JRPG podcast. This is providing he decides to move on from 1up, which I hope he does. But the reason why I brought it up is the prospect of him doing JRPG ERs.

 

[LiK]

It would be awesome if they hired Jeremy Parish. Besides writing articles, he could do JRPG ERs, Quick Looks, and perhaps creating his own JRPG podcast. This is providing he decides to move on from 1up, which I hope he does. But the reason why I brought it up is the prospect of him doing JRPG ERs.

or Kat Bailey. She's unemployed right now and knows her shit about RPGs.

 

[Curufinwe]

I doubt Parish wants to move from being EIC of 1up to being 6th banana in a group of guys he wouldn't fit in with as far as gaming tastes and podcast sensibilities go.

 

[Einhander]

If they had both Parish and Bailey, then at least they'd have a duo dedicated to JRPGs.

or Kat Bailey. She's unemployed right now and knows her shit about RPGs.

Hell yeah. They should definitely look into hiring her.

 

[Curufinwe]

If they wanted more JRPG coverage on the site they could have Kat Bailey or someone else do freelance stuff for them, but they don't.

 

[Dark Schala]

or Kat Bailey. She's unemployed right now and knows her shit about RPGs.

I remember when Kessler was their go-to guy for JRPGs. >_< Picking the worst part of Arc Rise Fantasia to show off. Ugh. ARF is way better than the part they showed off.

I wouldn't mind Kat Bailey either. I didn't listen to a lot of Active Time Babble episodes, but she does know her stuff.

If they wanted more JRPG coverage on the site they could have Kat Bailey or someone else do freelance stuff for them, but they don't.

Yeah, this would be an issue too. They don't really seem to be interested in the genre as a whole.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Personally, I go to Giant Bomb for the Giant Bomb guys. I'll listen to Roleplayer's Realm or something if I want JRPG talk.

 

[zerokoolpsx]

Omg. The last part is over 2 hours long. Oh well. Better start watching now.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Their next Let's Play should be I Wanna Be The Guy: The Movie: The Game. Now that's an Endurance Run.

 

[firehawk12]

Their next Let's Play should be I Wanna Be The Guy: The Movie: The Game. Now that's an Endurance Run.

That should be a Breaking Brad.

 

[LiK]

That should be a Breaking Brad.

shortest episode too

 

[firehawk12]

shortest episode too

Less than 30 minutes?