Girls - Season 2 - Sundays on HBO

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The biggest flaw with Hannah's character, from my perspective, is that I don't think she's neither likable nor interesting. There's plenty of characters that have unlikable personalities but at least the actions and their circumstances and their motivations make them interesting.
 
Dave Meltzer said:
The show is going to stay on the air as long as it's popular enough. HBO isn't some art house which cares more about quality than popularity. Not to mention the general reaction to the show isn't negative, even if you dislike it.
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I think you're wrong. HBO has shown that they'll stand by shows that have artistic merit even though they're not ratings monsters. Enlightened is a great example of that. And I don't think Girls is well-received overall. Maybe critically, but even people that religiously watch this show have complained about how silly and bad it has become.
 
Dave Meltzer said:
The show is going to stay on the air as long as it's popular enough. HBO isn't some art house which cares more about quality than popularity. Not to mention the general reaction to the show isn't negative, even if you dislike it.
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See: True Blood.

Anyways, when Hannah started picking at that splinter, I first thought that perhaps she had gotten bedbugs. That would have been amazing. Nobody deserves bedbugs more than Hannah.
 
Protip to maharg: I thought Ray Romano was an unbearable character on Everybody Loves Raymond and I still think half of Season 2 of Girls is a thematic mess hindered by terrible writing, even worse acting, and cringeworthy creative indulgences by the showrunner.
 
reilo said:
The biggest flaw with Hannah's character, from my perspective, is that I don't think she's neither likable nor interesting. There's plenty of characters that have unlikable personalities but at least the actions and their circumstances and their motivations make them interesting.
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I don't know if Hannah was ever supposed to be a likable and interesting character.

The problem with Hannah is that she thinks she is interesting, likable, and should be the center of everyone's world - and is slowly realizing she is not.
 
Well, I feel like expecting self-awareness from these characters is outside of the point.

I do appreciate that this show exists. The remarkable lack of self-awareness from some classmates that are now living in LA and NY watching and complaining about the characters on this show is...delicious.
 
As someone with pretty severe OCD, Hannah's behavior itself is spot on and believable. The way it's been been weaved into the show and as played by Lena Dunham? Eh...
 
The thing is, Girls isn't staying on the air because of its ratings, which are average at best and middling at worst. It's staying on because of its buzz and critical reception and the awards (and the ratings aren't disaster levels either).
 
GremlinFool said:
What a condescending viewpoint. So the only reason one could possibly dislike the show is because of some latent misogyny underpinning their views on humanity? Complete fucking hogwash.

You've been spewing this sort of supercilious nonsense about your own supposed "progressiveness" for enjoying the show and truly "getting it." Enough of this. Constructing a strawman is so much better than you talking down to everyone who has valid reasons for disliking this show.
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I didn't say anything about 'the only reason' or any such nonsense. I explained the argument being made by that quote, since people were reacting to a completely different point than it was making.
 
Bladenic said:
The thing is, Girls isn't staying on the air because of its ratings, which are average at best and middling at worst. It's staying on because of its buzz and critical reception and the awards (and the ratings aren't disaster levels either).
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It should be noted that Girls is pretty damn cheap to produce. The ratings are fine for its budget, which is what matters. It's a pretty minor investment for HBO.
 
Dan said:
It should be noted that Girls is pretty damn cheap to produce. The ratings are fine for its budget, which is what matters. It's a pretty minor investment for HBO.
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Yeah it doesn't strike me as very expensive. Neither does Enlightened but that has bigger names attached, at least.
 
I think this season has just been all over the place because its trying to find what its supposed to be. "It's a Shame About Ray" is the best episode of the season so far (and series imo). If they could make every episode in that vein then the show would be great.
 
Rookje said:
I think this season has just been all over the place because its trying to find what its supposed to be. "It's a Shame About Ray" is the best episode of the season so far (and series imo). If they could make every episode in that vein then the show would be great.
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Could you expand on what you think is so good about that episode and why it's the best so far of the series?
 
As much as I've grown to like parts of the show over time, this is fucking hilarious:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/next-episode-of-girls-to-feature-lena-dunham-shitt,31661/

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Okay, so what's going with Hannah's character? Why is she suddenly exhibiting very extreme OCD symptoms? Her character has never really exhibited them before and I admit I know little about the disorder, but does it really onset as quickly and as extremely as has done in this show?

It feels like they are exaggerating the disorder, to the point where it's broken all realms of believability and it's damaged both the character and her current arc.

On a slightly different note, how hot did Shiri Appleby look crawling on all fours? Goddamn.
 
Magnus said:
As much as I've grown to like parts of the show over time, this is fucking hilarious:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/next-episode-of-girls-to-feature-lena-dunham-shitt,31661/

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:lol

I really hope that was at least partially a dig at a certain fawning critic on their sister site.

dead souls said:
How dare you criticize VanDerWerff, it isn't his fault you don't like your masculine expectations of "good tv" challenged.

Lol, I never get tired of mocking that article title.
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Christ, how did I never read that column?

"Don’t get me wrong, I like Veep a lot, but it doesn’t seem nearly as interesting or well-constructed as Girls."

What a fucking joke. Yeah, sure, Todd. Armando Iannucci is okay, but he's no Lena Dunham!
 
Cornballer said:
- Onion A|V Club: What we talk about when we talk about Girls <-- bonus VanDerWerff linked especially for dead souls and Bert Cooper
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Haha, you're the best.

As I've stated several times, I don't hate this show. I really don't. I think this season has been pretty damn weak, but Season 1 was sort of okay and even now, I still think it's worth watching.

I don't think people like VanDerWerff realize that they're playing a big part in creating this backlash. By gushing over the show incessantly, they're irritating the hell out of people who think the show is merely okay and actually making us dislike the show more than we really do.

That said, his reviews of Season 2 of Homeland were far worse than anything he's written about Girls.
 
That's a problem with him in general, he seems to go in one direction too far constantly. When he likes something he'll work the mental gymnastics to approve of it, and when he dislikes something he'll turn off his brain and hate regardless.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
That's a problem with him in general, he seems to go in one direction too far constantly. When he likes something he'll work the mental gymnastics to approve of it, and when he dislikes something he'll turn off his brain and hate regardless.
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I think his constant need to justify his love of Girls points to some sort of weird insecurity.
 
Magnus said:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/next-episode-of-girls-to-feature-lena-dunham-shitt,31661/
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“The scene is raw, it’s brave, and it’s the boldest thing we’ve seen Dunham do yet: a smart, unsanitized comedy of errors that perfectly captures the experience of being at the ob-gyn,” said Huffington Post television critic Kia Makarechi of the envelope-pushing episode, wherein the burrito-eating Dunham elects to be examined completely nude because hospital gowns make her “feel like she’s dying of bone cancer or something” and awkwardly flirts with the 55-year-old gynecologist before violently shitting herself and then asking if the doctor can prescribe her anything for her anxiety. “When a naked Hannah dribbled hot sauce all over herself in front of the doctor, shit in every corner of the office, cried, became angry with the doctor, had sex with the doctor, finished her burrito, had sex with the doctor again, shit herself again, and then realized who she was really angry at and sexually attracted to was Adam, I just closed my eyes and said, ‘Thank you.’ These are real girls with real bodies doing things that real girls do.” At press time, fans were abuzz after a tweet from Dunham hinted at an all-nude third season.
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BertramCooper said:
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"Don’t get me wrong, I like Veep a lot, but it doesn’t seem nearly as interesting or well-constructed as Girls."

What a fucking joke. Yeah, sure, Todd. Armando Iannucci is okay, but he's no Lena Dunham!
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Good lord.

I honestly think Veep is the best show on HBO right now. I don't know what that says about HBO, though.
 
I almost thought the Onion article was real. The burrito part was the thing that didn't seem like it would fit. But I could maybe see the first part.
 
Cornballer said:
- Variety: HBO&#8217;s &#8216;Girls&#8217; Is Defiant in the Best of Ways
- Winnipeg Free Press: Graphic Girls episode 'complicated,' says Apatow
- The Daily Beast: Graphic Content, Objectification, and That Scene
- Onion A|V Club: What we talk about when we talk about Girls <-- bonus VanDerWerff linked especially for dead souls and Bert Cooper

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- Alyssa Rosenberg: &#8216;Girls&#8217; Adam, &#8216;How I Met Your Mother&#8217;s Barney Stinson, Stopping Rape, And Eroticizing Consent
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Thanks as always for sharing

BertramCooper said:
Haha, you're the best.

As I've stated several times, I don't hate this show. I really don't. I think this season has been pretty damn weak, but Season 1 was sort of okay and even now, I still think it's worth watching.

I don't think people like VanDerWerff realize that they're playing a big part in creating this backlash. By gushing over the show incessantly, they're irritating the hell out of people who think the show is merely okay and actually making us dislike the show more than we really do.

That said, his reviews of Season 2 of Homeland were far worse than anything he's written about Girls.
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C'mon now, the backlash started before people had even watched an episode.
 
dead souls said:
The hype level was already crazy before the show premiered and that set the show up for a huge backlash unless it was absolutely amazing. Mr. Cooper is correct in his assessment.
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Again, a lot of the backlash started before people had even seen the show. Critics got the first three episodes and largely based their hype on that. The backlash started in response to the hype articles themselves not review articles that came after. The idea that Girls could justify the hype seems ludicrous to the instigators of that backlash.
 
I just watched episode 9. Very interesting episode whenever Hannah wasn't onscreen.

The Adam stuff was really hard to watch once he started drinking.

Ep 10 preview
Ugh que Hannah and Adam getting back together.
 
Steelyuhas said:
I just watched episode 9. Very interesting episode whenever Hannah wasn't onscreen.

The Adam stuff was really hard to watch once he started drinking.

Ep 10 preview
Ugh que Hannah and Adam getting back together.
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same here. why the girls in this show are so pathetic?!
 
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