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Gizmodo gets its hands on the new iPhone prototype

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lunarworks said:
Ask for the manager, hand it directly to him, and tell him you're e-mailing Steve Jobs to let him know. It's like invoking the name of Sauron. The manager will be scared shitless and will seal it in the nearest safe he can find.

Unless you want it leaked, of course... which is kinda understandable.
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Then the store manager gets thanked for securing the lost phone. Nah, I am with AirBrian, it would be more fun to track down Jobs personally.

But giving it to the store manager then telling him you emailed Jobs wouldn't be invoking the name of Sauron. It would play like this:

Manager: What? The Emperor is coming here?
You: That is correct. And he is most displeased with your lack of progress.
Manager: Then we shall double our efforts.
You: I hope so for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.
(march out of the store playing the imperial march on your speaker shirt from thinkgeek.)
 
The thing I find the most funny is those folks who are now swearing they will not buy any apple products ever again, and claiming they are a bunch of unethical bullies and are abusing their power. They make it sound like apple has some kind of red phone they can dial to send out their Cupertino PD hitsquad and harrass innocent people. That concept alone is laughable.
 
evil ways said:
The thing I find the most funny is those folks who are now swearing they will not buy any apple products ever again, and claiming they are a bunch of unethical bullies and are abusing their power. They make it sound like apple has some kind of red phone they can dial to send out their Cupertino PD hitsquad and harrass innocent people. That concept alone is laughable.
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Yup. And besides, if they had a hit squad, we would never know it. Ninjas and all that.
 
Davidion said:
:lol What?
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Interfectum said:
:lol wow
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neojubei said:
Did PSgames actually write that? wow.
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What did I write that was so outrageous? :lol

How is Gizmodo responsible for lost iPhone sales when it's Apples fault the prototype leaked in the first place? Sure they should never have bought the damn phone but this info would have leaked regardless. Apple needs to take some accountability here.
 
PSGames said:
What did I write that was so outrageous? :lol

How is Gizmodo responsible for lost iPhone sales when it's Apples fault the prototype leaked in the first place? Sure they should never have bought the damn phone but this info would have leaked regardless. Apple needs to take some accountability here.
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I don't see where Apple hasn't taken accountability for losing the phone. Did I miss the press release where they denied losing the phone?

I can't figure you out at all.
 
PSGames said:
What did I write that was so outrageous? :lol

How is Gizmodo responsible for lost iPhone sales when it's Apples fault the prototype leaked in the first place? Sure they should never have bought the damn phone but this info would have leaked regardless. Apple needs to take some accountability here.
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Gizmodo leaked the information, which gives rivals a head start on matching or surpassing features. By putting the information out there, the money that Apple invested in developing the new device is squandered because now all their secrets are out there for others to profit form. Pretty simple concept.

So by your rationale, if someone working at a disc replication plant steals an early copy of Halo 2 and leaks it online, that is not lost revenue? After all, it is the plants fault for having all those copies being made there and then having someone put it online for people to pirate and not pay for. Yeah, that is not lost revenue for Microsoft.
 
AirBrian said:
I wonder if the store manager would've even knew it was real.
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Do you think he would have taken a chance?

AirBrian said:
Trying to get a hold of Steve Jobs would've been the funniest route. Could you imagine the phone operator after hearing, "Um, yeah, I found the new iPhone and I'd like to talk to Stevey, please."
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E-mail him. He actually reads his e-mail and responds to people sometimes.
 
SteveMeister said:
Wait -- so Gizmodo is a news organization? Its bloggers are reporters? I thought it was just a blog. Does this mean that anyone with a blog is also protected by shield laws? What makes a blogger a journalist, where is that line drawn? When are blogs going to be held to the same journalistic and ethical standards as traditional media?
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Are these the standards you're talking about?

fox-news-logo.jpg
 
So far: 10 stories on the fucking thing.

This Is Apple's Next iPhone
The Next iPhone, Dissected
How Apple conceals prototype iPhones
How Apple lost the next iPhone
How Apple missed chances to get the device back
Conspiracy theorists: Why Apple didn't leak the iPhone to us
Why it's not about the iPhone
A Letter: Apple Wants Its Secret iPhone Back
Police Seize Jason Chen's Computers
Steve Wozniak On Apple Security, Employee Termination, and Gray Powell
Woz Has a Message for Gray Powell

Amazing.
 
Gizmodo leaked the information, which gives rivals a head start on matching or surpassing features. By putting the information out there, the money that Apple invested in developing the new device is squandered because now all their secrets are out there for others to profit form. Pretty simple concept.
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Ok I guess I'm not explaining myself well. I fully understand how this could hurt Apple's revenue. That's pretty much common sense and I'm not arguing that it hasn't or won't. My point is Gizmodo should not be held accountable for said lost revenue. They don't owe Apple anything as they would never gotten access to this info if Apple hadn't left the phone in a public place for anyone to take pictures of.

PhoncipleBone said:
So by your rationale, if someone working at a disc replication plant steals an early copy of Halo 2 and leaks it online, that is not lost revenue? After all, it is the plants fault for having all those copies being made there and then having someone put it online for people to pirate and not pay for. Yeah, that is not lost revenue for Microsoft.
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No this is more like someone who works for MS losing a prerelease copy of Halo 2 in a public place and someone else posting videos of this unreleased copy online. If revenue is lost it's Microsofts own fault.

Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I don't see where Apple hasn't taken accountability for losing the phone. Did I miss the press release where they denied losing the phone?

I can't figure you out at all.
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The accountability I'm refering to is any lost iPhone sales. Not trying to go on and on about this. But if Apple hadn't left the prototype in a PUBLIC PLACE their info would never have gotten leaked. Not sure what part of this is so hard for you to understand?
 
Oh shut the fuck up all of you. Trade secrets my ass. There wasn't a goddamn thing secret about the next iPhone. Every single thing that Gizmodo revealed was either already known or assumed. HD screen, front facing camera, and ZOMG VOLUME BUTTONS are not trade secrets. The ONLY way that this could have hurt Apple is if this was actually the 5th gen iPhone, instead of the 4th gen.

Now, there is absolutely no doubt what Gizmodo did was illegal, and they deserve whatever legal consequences that come their way. I could honestly care less what happens to them. The way they revealed the story was classless, cocky, and completely irresponsible. So fuck em'.

But Apple has absolutely no business reason to go after Gizmodo. They are seeking retribution for what they deem to be a very public shaming. They simply don't like being laughed at, especially when it's a matter of pure incompetence. That's it and that's all. Of course, this is nothing new for Apple. That entire damn company is motivated by nothing but spite.
 
Crisco said:
Oh shut the fuck up all of you. Trade secrets my ass. There wasn't a goddamn thing secret about the next iPhone. Every single thing that Gizmodo revealed was either already known or assumed. HD screen, front facing camera, and ZOMG VOLUME BUTTONS are not trade secrets. The ONLY way that this could have hurt Apple is if this was actually the 5th gen iPhone, instead of the 4th gen.

Now, there is absolutely no doubt what Gizmodo did was illegal, and they deserve whatever legal consequences that come their way. I could honestly care less what happens to them. The way they revealed the story was classless, cocky, and completely irresponsible. So fuck em'.

But Apple has absolutely no business reason to go after Gizmodo. They are seeking retribution for what they deem to be a very public shaming. They simply don't like being laughed at, especially when it's a matter of pure incompetence. That's it and that's all. Of course, this is nothing new for Apple. That entire damn company is motivated by nothing but spite.
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This post is full of logic and reasoning.

...at least one of the paragraphs out of the 3 were on point.
 
Crisco said:
Oh shut the fuck up all of you. Trade secrets my ass. There wasn't a goddamn thing secret about the next iPhone. Every single thing that Gizmodo revealed was either already known or assumed. HD screen, front facing camera, and ZOMG VOLUME BUTTONS are not trade secrets. The ONLY way that this could have hurt Apple is if this was actually the 5th gen iPhone, instead of the 4th gen.

Now, there is absolutely no doubt what Gizmodo did was illegal, and they deserve whatever legal consequences that come their way. I could honestly care less what happens to them. The way they revealed the story was classless, cocky, and completely irresponsible. So fuck em'.

But Apple has absolutely no business reason to go after Gizmodo. They are seeking retribution for what they deem to be a very public shaming. They simply don't like being laughed at, especially when it's a matter of pure incompetence. That's it and that's all. Of course, this is nothing new for Apple. That entire damn company is motivated by nothing but spite.
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so far, they haven't.

the case against Gizmodo started at the DA office. it's a criminal matter, not a civil one.

maybe Apple will go after them for damages, maybe not. but they haven't done it yet.
 
LCfiner said:
so far, they haven't.

the case against Gizmodo started at the DA office. it's a criminal matter, not a civil one.

maybe Apple will go after them for damages, maybe not. but they haven't done it yet.
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Oh, I did not know what. Well, whatever, I stand by statement if/when Apple ever does start some shit.
 
SteveMeister said:
Wait -- so Gizmodo is a news organization? Its bloggers are reporters? I thought it was just a blog. Does this mean that anyone with a blog is also protected by shield laws? What makes a blogger a journalist, where is that line drawn? When are blogs going to be held to the same journalistic and ethical standards as traditional media?
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Based from my limited understanding of the shield laws of california and the link I posted above and highlighted a section from (will repost i here): http://www.rcfp.org/privilege/index.php?op=browse&state=CA


It's entirely irrelevant whether or not Gizmodo is a news organization or not, because shield laws would not protect them in this instance. See here from the summary:

However, there are limits on the protection of California's state shield laws. Because the state laws only prevent a finding of contempt, they provide minimal protection to reporters who are parties to litigation. Moreover, although California's state shield laws are absolute in civil cases where a party seeks information from a non-party reporter, in criminal cases the defendant's right to a fair trial must be balanced against the reporter's rights.

Shield laws only protect a reporter from being held in contempt and are not a blanket get out of free jail card for felonies or crimes commited while reporting on a story -- especially if they are the ones being investigated.
 
Pctx said:
So does this mean no new iPhone in June?
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pretty much. Apple is on lockdown until next Christmas and won't release new products till they eliminate all potential sources of leaks.

They're also aiming to have all bars and taverns in a 40 mile radius around 1 infinite loop torn down and replaced with vegan wheat grass smoothie huts.
 
PSGames said:
The accountability I'm refering to is any lost iPhone sales. Not trying to go on and on about this. But if Apple hadn't left the prototype in a PUBLIC PLACE their info would never have gotten leaked. Not sure what part of this is so hard for you to understand?
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Everyone understood that from the start. But that's not what you wrote.

PSGames said:
Gizmodo is not in any way responsible for any lost sales.
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You're just using the "they started it" defense, like everyone at Gizmodo has no self-control or voluntary respect for the law and trade secrets at all. Just because Apple lost the phone doesn't mean Gizmodo weren't dicks to Gray Powell and didn't buy a stolen prototype.

I mean, is this discussion really too deep for you? It's clean and simple to me. This whole discussion isn't about leaving a prototype at a public place. It's about Gizmodo buying it.
 
McBacon said:
So far: 10 stories on the fucking thing.

This Is Apple's Next iPhone
The Next iPhone, Dissected
How Apple conceals prototype iPhones
How Apple lost the next iPhone
How Apple missed chances to get the device back
Conspiracy theorists: Why Apple didn't leak the iPhone to us
Why it's not about the iPhone
A Letter: Apple Wants Its Secret iPhone Back
Police Seize Jason Chen's Computers
Steve Wozniak On Apple Security, Employee Termination, and Gray Powell
Woz Has a Message for Gray Powell

Amazing.
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My favourite was the article where someone wrote a novelisation of how Gray Powell lost the phone. It was cringe inducing.
 
LCfiner said:
so far, they haven't.

the case against Gizmodo started at the DA office. it's a criminal matter, not a civil one.

maybe Apple will go after them for damages, maybe not. but they haven't done it yet.
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Not sure about US law but in the UK, a victim or complainant is needed to pursue a complaint, unless it's in the public interest i.e. murder, high profile violent crime etc. Certainly not a lost Prototype...

No Victim No Crime is actually a government motto.
 
PSGames said:
Ok I guess I'm not explaining myself well. I fully understand how this could hurt Apple's revenue. That's pretty much common sense and I'm not arguing that it hasn't or won't. My point is Gizmodo should not be held accountable for said lost revenue. They don't owe Apple anything as they would never gotten access to this info if Apple hadn't left the phone in a public place for anyone to take pictures of.

No this is more like someone who works for MS losing a prerelease copy of Halo 2 in a public place and someone else posting videos of this unreleased copy online. If revenue is lost it's Microsofts own fault.

The accountability I'm refering to is any lost iPhone sales. Not trying to go on and on about this. But if Apple hadn't left the prototype in a PUBLIC PLACE their info would never have gotten leaked. Not sure what part of this is so hard for you to understand?
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In California, if Apple were to pursue trade secret violations, the law is weaker than most in terms of Apple's responsibility to protect their secrets, so its not so open and shut case.

Also, in CA, if Apple were to win such a civil case, Gizmodo would be both liable for a) potential losses, and b) Gizmodo's profits from said disclosure.

That said, I don't think Apple is going to pursue a civil case.
 
Apple will wait to see how the criminal case plays out before filing civil action. They're going to sue Gawker for millions.
 
Brera said:
Not sure about US law but in the UK, a victim or complainant is needed to pursue a complaint, unless it's in the public interest i.e. murder, high profile violent crime etc. Certainly not a lost Prototype...

No Victim No Crime is actually a government motto.
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In Silicon Valley, aggressively going after felony theft of a constituent company's prototype is very much in their constituents' interest. Especially when they have a very public record of the theft.
 
By now I want Gizmodo to go down in flames. Their explotation and mockery of the Apple engineer's misfortune is honestly repulsive.

It's the hypocrisy that gets to me.

"La la la dee daa, let's go to CES and turn off devices at random and disrupt presentations, hur hur."

"RIM didn't send us a device for review, that's because IT SUCKS! WE KNOW IT! Wah wahh wahh"

"Oh noes Gray Powell, you fucked up royally, sucks to be you, la la la de daa. Chin up! By the way, thanks for losing the phone, someone sold it to us instead of returning it to you. Thanks for the page views!"

-- Police knocks on the door --

"BUT WE ARE SERIOUS JOURNALISTS!"
 
StopMakingSense said:
In Silicon Valley, aggressively going after felony theft of a constituent company's prototype is very much in their constituents' interest. Especially when they have a very public record of the theft.
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But you would expect a complaint to start it off?

This REACT task force does have Apple on its "Steering" committee?
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Everyone understood that from the start. But that's not what you wrote.

You're just using the "they started it" defense, like everyone at Gizmodo has no self-control or voluntary respect for the law and trade secrets at all. Just because Apple lost the phone doesn't mean Gizmodo weren't dicks to Gray Powell and didn't buy a stolen prototype.

I mean, is this discussion really too deep for you? It's clean and simple to me. This whole discussion isn't about leaving a prototype at a public place. It's about Gizmodo buying it.
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Ok let's try it again because you keep missing my point. Do I feel Gizmodo should be held accountable for buying a stolen/lost phone? YES. Whatever the law states that punishment should be than fine. Do I feel they should be held accountable for any monetary damages derived from lost iPhone sales(if Apple were to try a Civil case) by publishing those pictures and writing a story about the phone? NO. If Coca-Cola leaves their top secret recipe in a public place and someone gets a hold of them and publishes them online they have noone to blame but themselves for carelessly losing it in the first place. Apple did not exercise due diligence to protect their "trade secrets" and thus Gizmodo cannot be held accountable for reporting on it.

Again what part of this are you not understanding?
 
BlackGoku03 said:
What? No new iPhone till Christmas? Or is this speculation?
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Just like the previous 2 years, it's widely expected Apple will launch a new model of iPhone sometime in the summer. Anyone saying differently is talking out of their asses.
 
PSGames said:
Ok let's try it again because you keep missing my point. Do I feel Gizmodo should be held accountable for buying a stolen/lost phone? YES. Whatever the law states that punishment should be than fine. Do I feel they should be held accountable for any monetary damages derived from lost iPhone sales(if Apple were to try a Civil case) by publishing those pictures and writing a story about the phone? NO. If Coca-Cola leaves their top secret recipe in a public place and someone gets a hold of them and publishes them online they have noone to blame but themselves for carelessly losing it in the first place. Apple did not exercise due diligence to protect their "trade secrets" and thus Gizmodo cannot be held accountable for reporting on it.

Again what part of this are you not understanding?
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Again, you're stating the obvious, which is why everyone is so surprised that you're posting it. It's obvious and irrelevant to anything actually being discussed.

You're just backpedaling over and over. This is another thing you initially wrote:

PSGames said:
None of this would have happened if Apple hadn't lost the damn phone in the first place
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You clearly see why you got made fun of for that comment. Don't change your story.
 
Again, you're stating the obvious, which is why everyone is so surprised that you're posting it. It's obvious and irrelevant to anything actually being discussed.
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I was responding to posts in this thread stating Gizmodo would be held accountable for any monetary damages in a civil suit.

Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
You're just backpedaling over and over. This is another thing you initially wrote:

You clearly see why you got made fun of for that comment. Don't change your story.
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Backpedaling? Changing my story? :lol My full quote was:

This is so dumb. None of this would have happened if Apple hadn't lost the damn phone in the first place. Gizmodo is not in any way responsible for any lost sales.
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I was refering to all the lawsuit talk going on, nothing more, nothing less and my story hasn't changed.
 
YuriLowell said:
I think the most interesting part is going to be how apple finally unveils this bad boy this summer.
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I think having Grey introduce it would be PERFECT.


Jexhius said:
I imagine Gizmondo will be live-blogging their trial for extra hits.
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Oh Gizmondo's legal problems were plenty blogged about :P
 
Thought it was tangentially related.

Andy Rubin said:
At the end of the hourlong chat, I joked with Mr. Rubin that his press relations colleague, who was in the room, wanted to confess that he had left a prototype Android phone at a local bar.

“I’d be happy if that happened and someone wrote about it,” Mr. Rubin said. “With openness comes less secrets.”
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http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/googles-andy-rubin-on-everything-android/

Though I dunno how the various manufacturers would feel about that... Even though HTC and Motorola devices are leaked all the time. :lol
 
LCfiner said:
oh Jesus.

:lol

As if the Nexus One wasn’t kept a secret.
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They gave it to like every employee at Christmas. Some even took pics of it and uploaded them to Picasa. Google employees were seen around various California transportation systems with the phone.

So, what? :lol
 
Andrex said:
They gave it to like every employee at Christmas. Some even took pics of it and uploaded them to Picasa. Google employees were seen around various California transportation systems with the phone.

So, what? :lol
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the point is that the guy is spewing bullshit about openness and how Apple is somehow the only company who would not want their product to be leaked out early. please.

keeping new products secret is important in a competitive marketplace. This should be common sense. I also happen to know from experience as my company has worked on things in secret and would be hurt by competitors if new products got leaked out well in advance.

His quote is just as crazy as quotes from Apple talking about openness and closed systems when referring to Flash on iDevices.
 
LCfiner said:
the point is that the guy is spewing bullshit about openness and how Apple is somehow the only company who would not want their product to be leaked out early. please.

keeping new products secret is important in a competitive marketplace. This should be common sense. I also happen to know from experience as my company has worked on things in secret and would be hurt by competitors if new products got leaked out well in advance.

His quote is just as crazy as quotes from Apple talking about openness and closed systems when referring to Flash on iDevices.
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Pretty sure it was a joke man. Calm down, no need to go on a crusade. :lol
 
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