Godzilla II is a thing that will be happening. Gareth Edwards will not be making it.

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Since they can't get Gareth Edwards, they should get Gareth Edwards to direct instead.

No really. The Raid guy. I was going to say 'The Welsh one' but I think they might both be Welsh.
 
Since they can't get Gareth Edwards, they should get Gareth Edwards to direct instead.

No really. The Raid guy. I was going to say 'The Welsh one' but I think they might both be Welsh.

Gareth Evans and he is Welsh. I'm down as well, would definitely be a different take and style that's for sure.
 
I don't think Edwards is such a great director that the franchise is screwed without him, but I tend to think that a lot of the problems I had with the movie had more to do with studio meddling and Max Borenstein than with Edwards himself (though I was under the impression that Monsters also had similar cuts, so at least that part could be pinned on him).

With that said, I'm not how to feel about this. He wanted Godzilla to be taken seriously and he clearly cared about the source material, but between the cutting away from Godzilla, killing off the only interesting character early on, and focusing on the boring, generic soldier guy, the actual movie he made was not great. But like I said, I get the feeling that most of that had very little to do with him, especially given how the movie that was advertised and the one we got were complete tonal opposites.

All the advertising made Godzilla out to be the primary threat more along the lines of the original movie. That there were a bunch of fight scenes only used in the trailers or scenes that replaced Godzilla (who was alone) with both Godzilla and MUTO was just . . . bizarre. Why would they make all of these (presumably) expensive CGI scenes only to completely replace them and change the tone of the final film? Moreover, the advertising campaign seemed to be aware that a lot of people expected Godzilla to be an antagonist, so why on earth would Legendary sell the movie as one thing and deliver something completely different? What would they gain from that?

I doubt the sequel is going to be any better without Edwards; he was by far the least of 2014's problems.
 
Well that sucks the director was the best part of the movie I really liked the visuals. It was the writing that was bad I do not understand who thought it was a good idea to get the writer who wrote Doom and the Expendables. I actually thought the story wasn't that bad in till it got to the military commander who thought it was a good idea to use nuclear weapons on a monster that eats nuclear material and I actually liked the visuals of the train sequence it was just the reasoning for it was stupid. Also the writer really misused Project Monarch they are introduce early in the movie even before the military so I thought they were going to do something but they do absolutely nothing in this movie. You would think since they were researching Godzilla for so many years that they would have a plan or at least an idea on what to do.
 
I don't think Edwards is such a great director that the franchise is screwed without him, but I tend to think that a lot of the problems I had with the movie had more to do with studio meddling and Max Borenstein than with Edwards himself (though I was under the impression that Monsters also had similar cuts, so at least that part could be pinned on him).

With that said, I'm not how to feel about this. He wanted Godzilla to be taken seriously and he clearly cared about the source material, but between the cutting away from Godzilla, killing off the only interesting character early on, and focusing on the boring, generic soldier guy, the actual movie he made was not great. But like I said, I get the feeling that most of that had very little to do with him, especially given how the movie that was advertised and the one we got were complete tonal opposites.

All the advertising made Godzilla out to be the primary threat more along the lines of the original movie. That there were a bunch of fight scenes only used in the trailers or scenes that replaced Godzilla (who was alone) with both Godzilla and MUTO was just . . . bizarre. Why would they make all of these (presumably) expensive CGI scenes only to completely replace them and change the tone of the final film? Moreover, the advertising campaign seemed to be aware that a lot of people expected Godzilla to be an antagonist, so why on earth would Legendary sell the movie as one thing and deliver something completely different? What would they gain from that?

I doubt the sequel is going to be any better without Edwards; he was by far the least of 2014's problems.

The misleading marketing irritated me more than anything in the movie. I was sold a force of nature Godzilla, like the original or Heisei-era films, but got a Showa-esque portrayal instead. Really fucked with my expectations.
 
Weekend at Godzillas. The Big G dies after snorting the entire contents of a shipping container he thought was full of cocaine but turned out to be heroin and OD'ed. The other monsters don't want those annoying humans to focus all their tanks and jets and gun ships on them so they continue to prop up Godzilla in more and more elaborate methods to convince humanity that he is still stomping around destroying cities and breathing nuclear fire.
The other monsters sit him in a giant beach chair off the coast of Japan with a crudely drawn sign on his chest saying "I'm watching you."
 
I just hope this and Skull Island don't suck, because if they do and they flop, they'll probably cancel Godzilla vs. King Kong. And I want Godzilla vs. King Kong so much.
 
This is potentially both good and bad news. I did like his style from the first movie, and how there was a real sense of scale conveyed between the humans and monsters. Not sure if something from that will be lost going forward. On the other hand, there is now a better chance of the sequel not hiding any of the monsters and just being an outright Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster remake with shit getting wrecked left and right.
 
Well that sucks the director was the best part of the movie I really liked the visuals. It was the writing that was bad I do not understand who thought it was a good idea to get the writer who wrote Doom and the Expendables. I actually thought the story wasn't that bad in till it got to the military commander who thought it was a good idea to use nuclear weapons on a monster that eats nuclear material and I actually liked the visuals of the train sequence it was just the reasoning for it was stupid. Also the writer really misused Project Monarch they are introduce early in the movie even before the military so I thought they were going to do something but they do absolutely nothing in this movie. You would think since they were researching Godzilla for so many years that they would have a plan or at least an idea on what to do.

The visuals were great, but the human drama was incredible bad. Didn't help that the lead was the completely wrong choice.
 
Didn't like Godzilla 2014 so I'm ok with this.

Hopefully we'll get a director that doesn't tease the monster after the fact we already saw it.

Oh and not show a great action scene from a tiny ass tv in some kids room.
 
I really liked what he did with the first one but will happily see another directors take, especially if the next one is more action heavy.
 
I really liked it for the most part. My main gripes were with the script. Like I always wondered why these giant beasts who ate radiation to survive bothered to evolve to have teeth and claws in the first place? They don't need them for hunting, heck why even need them for defense? Why not just be big gelatinous creatures who just soak up the radiation? Why does Godzilla feel the need to hunt down and kill the MUTOs, especially in prehistoric times? If all these guys are doing is soaking up radiation, which is basically an unlimited source of food, why not just leave them be? Godzilla eats radiation for food as well, so is he just hunting them to get his rocks off?

Also, Monarch is supposed to be a secret organization in the beginning of the movie, yet they fly around in helicopters with a big MONARCH logo on the sides.

My biggest issue was why the hell did the big momma MUTO just not stay at the nuclear waste dump in Nevada and wait for the male to show up?? There was literally tons of radioactive waste to feed off of, but not, they decide to chase down a lone nuclear missile?

Again, I liked the movie too. I'm a G-fan of the highest order.
 
I'd always thought a Godzilla movie with little to no humans would be cool if pulled off well. Maybe it's post apocalyptic and its only Godzilla and the other monsters left over fighting amongst the ruins of humanity. I'd the humans are around maybe they have left the destroyed or over run earth for an Elysium type situation where they live on space stations or the moon and send down small missions or their own Mecha.
 
The first one really got better with repeat viewings. Went from being a mild disappointment to something I watch every couple of months now. Without Edwards I'm a bit skeptical.
 
I hope this is like 1998. Loved that movie. New movie is shit. for 90% of the movie there is no godzilla on the screen. I want godzilla from front to end in this movie. It is suppose to be fun B movie not oscar winner.
 
any given day on tv if one this is playing i will always choose 1998 version. awesome action at almost any point. new one was boring and barely had monster in it.

Loved it when I was a kid, but can't stand that corny ass movie nowadays. Really love seeing Godzilla blast Zilla in Final Wars. It was a cool monster design, but a pathetic attempt at Godzilla. A choice between 1998 and 2014 is no choice at all.
 
any given day on tv if one this is playing i will always choose 1998 version. awesome action at almost any point. new one was boring and barely had monster in it.

I agree that it gets too much hate, it's an okay film for the time. There's a ton of Godzilla films and multiple eras, I'm fine with people trying new things.
 
Best use of the '98 Godzilla was actually in the animated series. It was strong, fast, durable, intelligent, and actually had radioactive breath. Basically what his movie counterpart should have been. Had it been the case, I think people might have been able to overlook the wild departure in design.
 
Best use of the '98 Godzilla was actually in the animated series. It was strong, fast, durable, intelligent, and actually had radioactive breath. Basically what his movie counterpart should have been. Had it been the case, I think people might have been able to overlook the wild departure in design.

Zilla was handled waaaay better in that cartoon. I can still enjoy that animated series. The monster design also was never my problem with Zilla either. It's a cool looking monster imo.
 
The constant cuts away from Godzilla as soon as he did anything remotely interesting were irritating. By the 4th or 5th time it happened in the film I was just checking out.

It didn't help I went in expecting a disaster-type movie with Godzilla destroying everything in its path and mankind doing the best it could with coping with such a shitty situation but instead it turned into "Godzilla is gonna help us!!" and it turned into more generic action movie fare. They did nail that one scene with the emergency message and the helicopter view of hundreds of people stuck in gridlock trying to escape the disaster area, but that's really the only moment they nailed for me.
 
I'd be lying if I said I was surprised. I guess there's no point of sticking with a Godzilla movie when your on Star Wars now. The fact the both of these films were back to back certainly doesn't help.

At this point, they might as well get rid of Max Borenstein too since I think his script really hampered the first movie with too many generic cardboard cutouts for characters. Only thing I want to see back from the first movie is really the Godzilla design.
 
I'd love Jaguar showing up, but I think Legendary wants to cross over Pacific Rim as well at some point, which makes Jaguar redundant.

I'm here now and let's not forget I can reprogram myself at will to change my size, therefore I am not redundant thank you very much!

I will never give up the Jet Jaguar dream.

Keep the faith my friend, and never give up the dream...they just can't afford me at the moment.

Let Gareth Evans direct it now. Imagine the insanity of the giant monster battles with him in charge. Iko Uwais can play Jet Jaguar and kick the ever loving shit out of the Big G with some Silat.

I don't know who Iko Uwais is, but he is not me. And yes I can kick Godzilla's ass, but he's my best friend...just ask that giant cockroach Megalon.
 
The constant cuts away from Godzilla as soon as he did anything remotely interesting were irritating. By the 4th or 5th time it happened in the film I was just checking out.

It didn't help I went in expecting a disaster-type movie with Godzilla destroying everything in its path and mankind doing the best it could with coping with such a shitty situation but instead it turned into "Godzilla is gonna help us!!" and it turned into more generic action movie fare. They did nail that one scene with the emergency message and the helicopter view of hundreds of people stuck in gridlock trying to escape the disaster area, but that's really the only moment they nailed for me.

Pretty much my issues, the first two trailers really built up the disaster movie vibe:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIu85WQTPRc
 
Man, none of you nerds deserve Godzilla 2014. Absolutely incredible film, and so cooler than it gets any credit for. It's a masterpiece of atmosphere, pacing, and just the sense of scale. Every sequence gives the audience a slowly larger perspective on the conflict, reinforcing the pure god-like status of the monsters. Sure, the characters are a bit forgettable. But they serve their purpose perfectly - they move the audience through a series of events that sells a Godzilla disaster from every angle.

"Oooh, but Godzilla is only in it for a few minutes! I want non-stop 'zilla!"

This is why Jaws is considered a series that only got better with time, as they were able to afford more shark action.

As for who should take up the helm, I'd throw Fede Alvarez into the ring. Has already done one acclaimed reboot (Evil Dead), and he absolutely has the eye for it.
 
Man, none of you nerds deserve Godzilla 2014. Absolutely incredible film, and so cooler than it gets any credit for. It's a masterpiece of atmosphere, pacing, and just the sense of scale. Every sequence gives the audience a slowly larger perspective on the conflict, reinforcing the pure god-like status of the monsters. Sure, the characters are a bit forgettable. But they serve their purpose perfectly - they move the audience through a series of events that sells a Godzilla disaster from every angle.

"Oooh, but Godzilla is only in it for a few minutes! I want non-stop 'zilla!"

This is why Jaws is considered a series that only got better with time, as they were able to afford more shark action.

As for who should take up the helm, I'd throw Fede Alvarez into the ring. Has already done one acclaimed reboot (Evil Dead), and he absolutely has the eye for it.

Yeah but Jaws has Brody, Hooper, and Quint.
All great characters that can carry the movie when their in no action.

Godzilla 2014 has Bryan Cranston who is good but is only there for like 15 minutes and gets replaced by one of the blandest protagonists I've seen in a blockbuster film in a long time. Pretty sure his name was Brody too or something.

Anyway my point is you can tease the monster in your movie as long as you have the characters to back it up. See Alien, Aliens, Jaws, Predator. All have iconic characters that you remember or quote. What the most memorable line Brody says in Godzilla?
 
I don't think Edwards is such a great director that the franchise is screwed without him, but I tend to think that a lot of the problems I had with the movie had more to do with studio meddling and Max Borenstein than with Edwards himself (though I was under the impression that Monsters also had similar cuts, so at least that part could be pinned on him).

With that said, I'm not how to feel about this. He wanted Godzilla to be taken seriously and he clearly cared about the source material, but between the cutting away from Godzilla, killing off the only interesting character early on, and focusing on the boring, generic soldier guy, the actual movie he made was not great. But like I said, I get the feeling that most of that had very little to do with him, especially given how the movie that was advertised and the one we got were complete tonal opposites.

All the advertising made Godzilla out to be the primary threat more along the lines of the original movie. That there were a bunch of fight scenes only used in the trailers or scenes that replaced Godzilla (who was alone) with both Godzilla and MUTO was just . . . bizarre. Why would they make all of these (presumably) expensive CGI scenes only to completely replace them and change the tone of the final film? Moreover, the advertising campaign seemed to be aware that a lot of people expected Godzilla to be an antagonist, so why on earth would Legendary sell the movie as one thing and deliver something completely different? What would they gain from that?

I doubt the sequel is going to be any better without Edwards; he was by far the least of 2014's problems.
Edwards wanted to keep the Showa-esque nature of the film a secret if I remember correctly. And he did a damn good job at it too. That scene with Godzilla swimming in formation with the US Navy was worth it alone.

I've always liked the version of Godzilla where he is the defender of the Earth better. Not the overly human friendly version from some of the worse Showa films, but the version that doesn't go out of his way to destroy humanity.
 
Man, none of you nerds deserve Godzilla 2014. Absolutely incredible film, and so cooler than it gets any credit for. It's a masterpiece of atmosphere, pacing, and just the sense of scale. Every sequence gives the audience a slowly larger perspective on the conflict, reinforcing the pure god-like status of the monsters. Sure, the characters are a bit forgettable. But they serve their purpose perfectly - they move the audience through a series of events that sells a Godzilla disaster from every angle.

"Oooh, but Godzilla is only in it for a few minutes! I want non-stop 'zilla!"

This is why Jaws is considered a series that only got better with time, as they were able to afford more shark action.

As for who should take up the helm, I'd throw Fede Alvarez into the ring. Has already done one acclaimed reboot (Evil Dead), and he absolutely has the eye for it.

One of the things I really disliked about the 2014 movie was how it did the opposite for me. All those cut away scenes of the humans killed the pacing for me and at times killed the entire tone of the movie. Anecdotal but people started to laugh in theaters everytime we saw Kick Ass and buddies hauling that nuke around. This happened through out the movie and any kind of tension or mood was ruined when we cut away to the soldier and his girlfriend.
 
Yeah like most people I kind of forgot how dull those movies were. Perks of having the memory of a child.

(Quoting you, but not all of this is directed at you, just to be clear).

Edit: Also looks like a few people have made the same points while I was typing my response. Oh well.

Most of the later Showa movies were basically generic cop / spy movies that Godzilla wanders into about halfway through. Both MechaGodzillas, and vs. Gigan are basically "Detectives / Agents vs. Bad Guys with Monsters". That's not a bad thing at all (Terror of MechaGodzilla's human plot is actually pretty good for a franchise coasting on fumes at that point). Ghidorah: The Three Headed Monster jumps between sci-fi and cop drama pretty nimbly too.

It's not so much that they're boring as they are old. For example, the car chase in The French Connection (1971) consistently places on lists of best car chases, but if you dropped that exact chase into a movie nowadays people would say it's dull, and it keeps cutting away to show Popeye's reactions or the train running overhead, and the car isn't flashy enough.

I love the old Godzilla flicks, but you have to take them for what they are; middle-to-low budget foreign genre films. The fact that it's obviously guys in rubber suits grappling for 15 minutes while the other 60 is astronauts / detectives / reporters doing 'stuff' is part of the whole package. You can definitely tell who grasps that and who hasn't based on the "boring human" comments. As fun as it sounds on paper, 2+ hours of pure spectacle, watching monsters smash shit is kind of a video game you aren't playing.

Also, Godzilla 2014 had more Godzilla screen time than 9 of the other 29 movies. I was honestly surprised to see vs. MechaGodzilla and Ghidorah so low since those are kind of my favorites. It also beats out the original 1955 movie by a full minute;

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Also, you see Godzilla in the 2014 movie for 9 minutes and 56 seconds. For comparison, here's the screen time for other movie monsters;

The Blob (1958): 1 minute, 26 seconds
Jaws (1975): 4 minutes
Alien (1978): 3 minutes, 36 seconds
Cloverfield (2008): 3 minutes, 26 seconds

With the exception of the Blob, none of those monsters have a full body shot in the first hour (Blob clocks in at 21:47). Cloverfield's director put it best; “there’s nothing more terrifying than the dread, the anticipation of seeing something.”

The problem with Godzilla 2014 isn't a lack of monster; it's lack of good human. They bump off Bryan Cranston way too early, Strathairn only interjects "military stuff" when Watanabe isn't dropping pseudo-philosophical gibberish, and Aaron Taylor-Johnson has all the charm and emotion of a wet gym sock. There's a lot wrong with Godzilla'14, but laying it solely at the feet of "not enough monster!" isn't it.
 
Some of the best Showa films have great human plots that could be reworked to work without kaiju. Invasion of the Astro-Monsters (which was actually a coproduction with a US studio) and Destroy All Monsters are two such ones.

2014's human plot wasn't the best, but it was still better than most of the Japanese Godzilla films.
 
Weird, I thought it was confirmed months ago that he wasn't going to be directing.

Maybe I'm confusing it with another sequel.
 
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