GoNintendo - Civ VII team "extremely happy" with Switch 2, compare power to "mid-tier PC"
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Kacho
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Civ executive producer Dennis Shirk said that the graphics team is "extremely happy" about what they can pull off, because they, "were able to make (the game) look like a mid-tier PC, because (Switch 2 has) enough power."
Blitzkrieg!
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Should be more concerned with fixing their crappy game.
If mid tier PC is Steam Deck then yes 
. A mid tier PC that has to play PS4 ports at 30fps 
This reminds of all those threads before PS5 release when Sony loyalists were trying to make the system sound like a supercomputer by posting developer quotes, lolz. These devs are just hyping up a new console so people buy it and they sell more games. This happens every time a new console releases.
. A mid tier PC that has to play PS4 ports at 30fps This reminds of all those threads before PS5 release when Sony loyalists were trying to make the system sound like a supercomputer by posting developer quotes, lolz. These devs are just hyping up a new console so people buy it and they sell more games. This happens every time a new console releases.
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Deerock71
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This is a good example of the pain Nintendo haters will have to come to grips with. Just put,"SOURCE?" in your computer's ROM, so you can just paste it; you might stave off carpal tunnel syndrome.
Kataploom
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Me? A Nintendo hater? Take a look at my latest posts lol, I'm not believing anything and really want to get happy about the console so I want the source, that's itThis is a good example of the pain Nintendo haters will have to come to grips with. Just put,"SOURCE?" in your computer's ROM, so you can just paste it; you might stave off carpal tunnel syndrome.
Deerock71
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VolticArchangel
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An Ampere (with Ada features) ARM soc with a 3-4 tflop fp32 throughput, is not anywhere near a "mid-tier pc" lol
The closest it will match (or exceed, in some cases due to a far superior hardware based AI accelerated image reconstruction algorithm / upscaler, on-board the soc), will be the ps4 pro, xbox one x and the xbox series s.
In native gaming, it will match an RX 580 or an RX 5500 XT or be outmatched by an RTX 3050, in both native and DLSS perf. For cpu, think the R7 3700X, but underclocked.
The closest it will match (or exceed, in some cases due to a far superior hardware based AI accelerated image reconstruction algorithm / upscaler, on-board the soc), will be the ps4 pro, xbox one x and the xbox series s.
In native gaming, it will match an RX 580 or an RX 5500 XT or be outmatched by an RTX 3050, in both native and DLSS perf. For cpu, think the R7 3700X, but underclocked.
SuperC
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What about the handheld mode, will it match the PS4?
3-4 teraflops? Lol, that's Series S territory. Switch 2 is around 2 tflops. Probably 10-15% more powerful than Steam Deck, but it also has DLSS of course.
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SuperC
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Its 1.71 TF in handheld mode and 3.09 TF docked
Kataploom
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Have you seen the games running on it? People are already comparing SF6 favorable against XSS and Yakuza 0 runs at 4K@60 while it runs 1440p@60 on Xbox One X, I also spotted some raytraced reflections in some Switch enchanted games.
Like... It's shaping to be better than our optimistic expectations...
Nintendo did not reveal any official info on the APU specs.
Kataploom
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We have basically everything but the CPU and GPU frequencies, but those are among the realistic to pessimistic numbers, there are some numbers way more optimistic using same SoC but higher frequencies which to many make no sense
That doesn't mean anything. SF6 has been out for a while so they had time to optimise it as opposed to Series S where it released on launch. Comparing Yakuza 0 resolution to One X and PS4 Pro is not fair since those systems did not have DLSS and could not do high end upscaling like Nvidia tech.
Again, that's guess work and not factual numbers.
I would imagine Docked mode will push more power, but almost all of that power will be used for resolution upscaling. The handheld mode will be the determining factor in visual fidelity just like it was on Switch 1.
GigaBowser
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Kataploom
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We don't know when they got the devkits, CDPR just got them 7 weeks ago, but yeah Capcom should have gotten them ages ago, yet doesn't mean they had a dummy matured devkit.
Also, they've also had time to polish series s version, even the PS5 version seems to have lower IQ even with better settings, take a look at the SF6 comparison thread.
roosnam1980
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more like shit tier PC
Deerock71
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Look man, if Switch 2 is as powerful as you think it is then it wouldn't be playing PS4 ports at 30 fps, because that's what almost all third party games were shown to be. Yes, they can push resolution up, but that's because of DLSS and not because the system is inherently powerful. The fact that you think Nintendo made Switch 2 vastly more powerful is kinda laughable given Nintendo's track record.
Edit: Saw Cyberpunk gameplay on Switch 2 and it drops to mid and even low 20s when things get busy, which is PS4/XBOne territory. That's basically where Switch 2 is at.
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reinking
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You are comparing a soon to be released console with the weakest console of this generation that launched in 2021. The other comparison is against a last generation console that launched in 2017. People should be excited for a new Nintendo console but trying to win performance arguments comparing it to dated tech doesn't seem like a win to me.
I'm not hating on the Switch 2. I will either get one or I will not. If I do get one, it will have nothing to do with it competing against the consoles you mentioned and it will definitely not be because it is competing against newer tech that comes out. It will simply be because it is a successor to the Switch (which is not a bad thing).
Kataploom
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You're confusing tech advances with performance
Lethal01
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Yes, it realeased at launch...
giving them over a year to opimize it.
reinking
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No, I am saying that you comparing the Switch 2 in any way to dated consoles should not be considered a tech or performance win. It will be competing with future consoles and handheld PCs. Not the XBSS and XBox One X.
Kataploom
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XSS is the same tech than XSX, just weaker, if that can't be understood I won't try convincing you of anything else
reinking
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Do you think it will be competing with the XSS or the next Xbox (especially if they release a handheld version?). BTW, you don't have to convince me of anything. I am not going to be spending your money. Buy what you enjoy. I will do the same but like I said above. If I end up picking up a Switch 2, it will have nothing to do with it competing against other hardware.
Yes and no. Based on same tech, but Series S is severely hampered by its low memory and terribly low bandwidth. This is the same with Switch 2, even if it had a 10 teraflop GPU it still wouldn't matter because it has low memory bandwidth and is held back by how much power it can draw.
Fess
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One is a handheld with a dock, the other ones are traditional stationary consoles.
Everything that is even close to Xbox Series or even One X is impressive on Switch 2. Nintendo struggle to impress with visuals, no doubt, but if third party don't then it's going to an amazing console.
And the joycon mouse function is so awesome that I can't stop thinking about it. Point and click games, first person shooters, anything where you aim really, it's going to be awesome. Doesn't matter if you can grab a PC mouse and connect it to the other consoles. On Switch 2 you always have it with you. You just put the joycon(s!) down on a surface and you have a mouse(or 2!).
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reinking
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I believe those numbers come from docked mode so it would be comparable to the consoles. Either way, I think it is a silly comparison but that is just my opinion and not an attack onOne is a handheld with a dock, the other ones are traditional stationary consoles.
Everything that is even close to Xbox Series or even One X is impressive on Switch 2. Nintendo struggle to impress with visuals, no doubt, but if third party don't then it's going to an amazing console.
And the joycon mouse function is so awesome that I can't stop thinking about it. Point and clock games, first person shooters, anything where you aim really, it's going to be awesome. Doesn't matter if you can grab a PC mouse and connect it to the other consoles. On Switch 2 you always have it with you. You just put the joycon(s!) down on a surface and you have a mouse(or 2!).
Kataploom
.I do want to see how the mouse mode is used. It could lead to some exciting games and/or game modes. As you point out, it should get used a lot more since it is integrated into the controllers.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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What a coincidence that when they're about to launch a console, the developers rave about it.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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Zathalus
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Those were the leaked numbers from a very reliable source. Considering how the Cyberpunk footage is significantly better than the PS4 version, it checks out.
amigastar
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I enjoy it very much. It's as good as the score it got (80)
They did have way more time to optimise Cyberpunk since then, but even then that Cyberpunk footage is dropping into mid to low 20s when things get busy so not sure that helps your argument.
Also those leaked numbers show APU to be at 1.7 tflops in handheld, and we know handheld dictates the visuals, with docked mode power mainly being used for higher resolution. So we're back to Switch 2 being a bit more powerful than PS4 (given architecture advancement), but it's able to push higher resolution thanks to DLSS. So with DLSS it becomes a PS4 Pro if you will. PS4 in handheld mode and PS4 Pro in docked mode is probably a fair way to describe Switch 2.
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awwr999999
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The fact that both Nintendo and PlayStation's consoles rely on modified consumer GPUs and can be compared to PCs is a massive win for Windows.
It's impossible to meaningfully compare older PS or Nintendo consoles to PCs accurately because they have entirely different CPU/GPU architectures designed for playing games.
Killjoy-NL
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Tbf most also claimed the PS5 to be very underpowered compared to Series X.If mid tier PC is Steam Deck then yes
This reminds of all those threads before PS5 release when Sony loyalists were trying to make the system sound like a supercomputer by posting developer quotes, lolz. These devs are just hyping up a new console so people buy it and they sell more games. This happens every time a new console releases.
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Fess
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It's a silly comparison since the other ones aren't dockable handhelds. Other than that, I just think it's great to see that it's competent enough to handle third party games without extreme visual downgrades. Nvidia's magic seem to work fine.I believe those numbers come from docked mode so it would be comparable to the consoles. Either way, I think it is a silly comparison but that is just my opinion and not an attack on
I do want to see how the mouse mode is used. It could lead to some exciting games and/or game modes. As you point out, it should get used a lot more since it is integrated into the controllers.
People in general need to wake up and think about what Switch 2 actually is. There is so much negativity coming from fans of other platforms now. I don't get it. It's not supposed to pull people away from their PS5 Pro or 5090 PC. It's supposed to pull people away from Switch 1.
Mouse mode looks super convenient, they showed it in the Tree House stream for Metroid Prime, it seamlessly transfer into mouse aiming when he placed the joycon on a table then went to analog stick when picking it up.
Analog movement plus mouse aiming, the best of two worlds for me. Can't wait to play it!
GigaBowser
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cyberpunk 4ofps
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KingT731
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SF6 is a PS4 game....
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also Yakuza 0 is 1080 60 on PS4 with no Pro update at all.
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GigaBowser
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the same publishor as gta?? imagine if
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