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[ZVWQP-9B8TM-VH9CT]

1. Destroying scalper stock isn't pointless. They're out the product and the money they spent to purchase the product. In this case, that's a $2,000 loss for them.

2. Buyers always have priority during arbitration on ebay if they file an INAD case. End of story. Sellers don't have protection against dishonest buyers who know how to game the system.

There isn't a single seller on ebay who will say their seller protection is good, and that: "If you can't afford to lose it, don't sell it on ebay."

3. It's not stupid, it's actually a great way to discourage scalpers from conducting business on ebay. Why don't you drop your ebay ID here and maybe someone can prove it to you on a $1,000+ item you're selling?

Scalpers are POS, but they aren't criminals. It's legal. Commiting a fraud though means that someone is a POS+criminal too. Way worse than being a scalper.

 

[sendit]

Scalpers are POS, but they aren't criminals. It's legal. Commiting a fraud though means that someone is a POS+criminal too. Way worse than being a scalper.

Too easy of a problem to solve. However, manufacturers/retail stores could careless. Profit is profit.

 

[RickMasters]

What has this rant of yours got to do with AMD being able to charge the same because nvidia cards are selling out. Nothing. You're just butthurt for no reason.

Edit: Oh and if you're calling bullshit about being neutral and owning a 5090, here:

I'm one of those hardcore buyers saying it's getting out of hand just like Overheat or HeisenbergFX. I call it like I see it. 2k is the normalised price now.

I have a feeling you are right about that. Fact if the matter is everything is more expensive nowadays whether it be electronics or even something as simple as a bottle of soda. Mad times we living in, yo!

 

[RickMasters]

Too easy of a problem to solve. However, manufacturers/retail stores could careless. Profit is profit.

Eventually they will suffer what happened to people who was flipping Jordan’s. They are just gonna end up sitting on a bunch in a bunch of GPUs they can’t sell. Because people will say “ fuck this”


Karma soon catch them. I still can’t fathom why anybody would think 6k on GPU is worth the money. There are just so many other things that are ACTUALLY worth that kind of money. A graphics card will never be one of them things unless it’s for workstation- like purposes. My UAD audio interfaces, tube tech compressor, and my pre amp are all in that ballpark of money and they pretty much paid for themselves.


Some people really got more money than sense, bro!

 

[rubik's dude]

if you were to do this to me

Why don't you drop your ebay ID here and maybe someone can prove it to you on a $1,000+ item you're selling?

I asked you to drop your ebay ID, but I guess you're too much of a coward to actually do it. Seems you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is lmao.

And again, Seller Protection is absolutely real...to the point that in this scenario, if you were to do this to me, I would actually still PROFIT on this deal. I'd get my money back via insurance, a REDUCED refund percentage(didn't do that research, did you?), and a card I could resell as untested.

You genuinely have no idea how this works.

Mail carriers don't pay out for insurance unless the sender can prove it was actually damaged during shipping, which the sender can't do if the item was curb stomped by the buyer after receiving it. It literally wasn't damaged during shipping. Good luck reselling that as "untested."

On ebay, if the buyer files an INAD case, the seller has to accept and issue a full refund. If the seller only issues a partial refund, the buyer can escalate the case to arbitration with ebay, and ebay will side with the buyer and forcibly take the money from the seller's account. The seller's account will also get flagged after ebay steps in.

Or that YOU just admitted to all of this retardation on a public forum?

I haven't admitted to anything rofl.

Scalpers are POS, but they aren't criminals. It's legal. Commiting a fraud though means that someone is a POS+criminal too. Way worse than being a scalper.

It's actually not illegal to curb stomp an item you bought after getting it, and then claiming the seller sent you a broken product. It's lying, it's immoral, but it's not illegal.

If you want to blame anyone, blame ebay for automatically siding with buyers during arbitration during INAD cases. If they actually put effort into investigating and protecting sellers from dishonest buyers, then it wouldn't be a problem.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

All of those buying from scalpers, I seriously hope their connectors are the ones that melt.

Maybe then you will learn some goddamn self control and not let FOMO completely control you.

 

[Griffon]

Devs will just target whatever card is worth about 400$. Nothing changes in practice. Ignore the expensive cards.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Devs will just target whatever card is worth about 400$. Nothing changes in practice. Ignore the expensive cards.

Devs target the consoles. PC is just along for the ride.

(Which can be quite good if you are willing to pay)

 

[coffinbirth]

I asked you to drop your ebay ID, but I guess you're too much of a coward to actually do it. Seems you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is lmao.

You genuinely have no idea how this works.

Mail carriers don't pay out for insurance unless the sender can prove it was actually damaged during shipping, which the sender can't do if the item was curb stomped by the buyer after receiving it. It literally wasn't damaged during shipping. Good luck reselling that as "untested."

On ebay, if the buyer files an INAD case, the seller has to accept and issue a full refund. If the seller only issues a partial refund, the buyer can escalate the case to arbitration with ebay, and ebay will side with the buyer and forcibly take the money from the seller's account. The seller's account will also get flagged after ebay steps in.

I haven't admitted to anything rofl.

It's actually not illegal to curb stomp an item you bought after getting it, and then claiming the seller sent you a broken product. It's lying, it's immoral, but it's not illegal.

If you want to blame anyone, blame ebay for automatically siding with buyers during arbitration during INAD cases. If they actually put effort into investigating and protecting sellers from dishonest buyers, then it wouldn't be a problem.

Are you fucking retarded?

 

[Three]

It's actually not illegal to curb stomp an item you bought after getting it, and then claiming the seller sent you a broken product. It's lying, it's immoral, but it's not illegal.

That's called fraud my friend and it absolutely is illegal. You're just saying you can get away with said illegal activity due to lack of evidence but what you're describing is fraud.

 

[draliko]

Devs target the consoles. PC is just along for the ride.

(Which can be quite good if you are willing to pay)

Lately they aren't even targeting consoles capabilities... They simply ship something when it's good enough to run somewhat decently...

 

[rubik's dude]

That's called fraud my friend and it absolutely is illegal. You're just saying you can get away with said illegal activity due to lack of evidence but what you're describing is fraud.

It's not fraud, sorry. Both the seller and the buyer voluntarily agreed to ebay's terms and services when creating an account and performing a transaction on their platform.

When the buyer receives their item, it's theirs to do with what they want. If they destroy it, then file an INAD claim, and say the seller sent a damaged item, it will go to arbitration with ebay if the seller doesn't accept the return.

If ebay steps in, both parties have already agreed to the terms and services and whatever outcome ebay decides during arbitration, and ebay will be the one to take the funds out of the seller's account, not the buyer.

But don't take my word for it, take ebay's: https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/user-agreement?id=4259#18

You and eBay each agree that any and all disputes or claims that have arisen, or may arise, between you and eBay (or any related third parties) that relate in any way to or arise out of this or previous versions of the User Agreement, your use of or access to our Services, the actions of eBay or its agents, or any products or services sold, offered, or purchased through our Services shall be resolved exclusively through final and binding arbitration, rather than in court, subject to any exemptions listed in this section.

 

[Hudo]

Devs target the consoles. PC is just along for the ride.

Depends on the developer, really. And sometimes even on the individual project. It's not that black & white anymore.

 

[StereoVsn]

I asked you to drop your ebay ID, but I guess you're too much of a coward to actually do it. Seems you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is lmao.

You genuinely have no idea how this works.

Mail carriers don't pay out for insurance unless the sender can prove it was actually damaged during shipping, which the sender can't do if the item was curb stomped by the buyer after receiving it. It literally wasn't damaged during shipping. Good luck reselling that as "untested."

On ebay, if the buyer files an INAD case, the seller has to accept and issue a full refund. If the seller only issues a partial refund, the buyer can escalate the case to arbitration with ebay, and ebay will side with the buyer and forcibly take the money from the seller's account. The seller's account will also get flagged after ebay steps in.

I haven't admitted to anything rofl.

It's actually not illegal to curb stomp an item you bought after getting it, and then claiming the seller sent you a broken product. It's lying, it's immoral, but it's not illegal.

If you want to blame anyone, blame ebay for automatically siding with buyers during arbitration during INAD cases. If they actually put effort into investigating and protecting sellers from dishonest buyers, then it wouldn't be a problem.

If the product was sent through US Post, that could be considered as postal fraud which might be a federal crime. Not even talking about other factors.

 

[rubik's dude]

If the product was sent through US Post, that could be considered as postal fraud which might be a federal crime. Not even talking about other factors.

Only if the buyer claims the item was damaged during shipping. If the buyer claims the item was already damaged before it was shipped, that wouldn't constitute as postal fraud.

During the INAD case, if the buyer says, "the packing box was undamaged but the product inside was damaged," the onus is taken off of the carrier and put onto the sender.

 

[StereoVsn]

Only if the buyer claims the item was damaged during shipping. If the buyer claims the item was already damaged before it was shipped, that wouldn't constitute as postal fraud.

During the INAD case, if the buyer says, "the packing box was undamaged but the product inside was damaged," the onus is taken off of the carrier and put onto the sender.

I think if the buyer is falsely claiming damage since the transaction is over US Post, it could count as mail fraud. Not a lawyer though.

So kids, do your crimes over UPS and FedEX!

 

[rubik's dude]

I think if the buyer is falsely claiming damage since the transaction is over US Post, it could count as mail fraud. Not a lawyer though.

So kids, do your crimes over UPS and FedEX!

Well either way, I mentioned this a couple posts back, but both the buyer and the seller have both agreed to ebay's arbitration over going to court when creating an account and selling on their platform anyway: https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/user-agreement?id=4259#18

You and eBay each agree that any and all disputes or claims that have arisen, or may arise, between you and eBay (or any related third parties) that relate in any way to or arise out of this or previous versions of the User Agreement, your use of or access to our Services, the actions of eBay or its agents, or any products or services sold, offered, or purchased through our Services shall be resolved exclusively through final and binding arbitration, rather than in court

 

[Three]

Well either way, I mentioned this a couple posts back, but both the buyer and the seller have both agreed to ebay's arbitration over going to court when creating an account and selling on their platform anyway: https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/member-behaviour-policies/user-agreement?id=4259#18

You and ebay, not you and the buyer who is committing fraud. Now usually fraud cases like this are reported to Action Fraud where I'm from. Doesn't necessarily mean it's going to get anywhere due to lack of evidence but if you were to come out and say "yes I did this, it's not a crime" you would be done for fraud. Do it then report yourself to the police and say it isn't actually a crime then find out if you have the balls. What you signed with eBay is for ebays protection against legal action not you the buyer.

 

[rubik's dude]

You and ebay, not you and the buyer who is committing fraud.

"You" applies to both the seller and the buyer:

You and eBay each agree that any and all claims or disputes at law or equity that has arisen, or may arise, between you and eBay (or any related third parties)

It's a user agreement for anyone with an ebay account; terms that both parties voluntarily agreed to when transacting on ebay's platform.

When the buyer damages the item, it was theirs to do with what they want. They own it. Filing an INAD claim on ebay and lying about it being damaged before you got it isn't a crime. Say it with me now, "Lying on ebay is not a crime." In fact, let's go a step further, "Lying on the internet is not a crime." Got that?

Now, the seller can deny the claim, as is their right, and then it will go to arbitration with ebay, and ebay could just as easily say, "the buyer is lying," and close the case in the seller's favor. The buyer is now stuck with a broken item and none of the money back.

However, because arbitration largely favors the buyer, the case will likely close with ebay forcibly taking the funds out of the seller's account, which the seller agreed to being okay with when they created their account and transacted on their platform. That's a risk they voluntarily took.

Put simply, the only thing the buyer has done is lie and file a return with "not as described" as the reason. Everything else is on ebay.

Do it then report yourself to the police

Okay, I just did it. Here's the transcript:

Me: "I returned an item online and said it wasn't as described... BUT IT WAS AS DESCRIBED! AND THE WORST PART IS... THEY REFUNDED ME!

LOCK ME UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY!"

Police: "Okay."

*dial tone*

Are they coming to get me now?

 

[ZVWQP-9B8TM-VH9CT]

It's actually not illegal to curb stomp an item you bought after getting it, and then claiming the seller sent you a broken product. It's lying, it's immoral, but it's not illegal.

If you want to blame anyone, blame ebay for automatically siding with buyers during arbitration during INAD cases. If they actually put effort into investigating and protecting sellers from dishonest buyers, then it wouldn't be a problem.

It isn't? Then go ahead, do it, capture it on video, take the money from Ebay and then send the seller that video. You will get sued for fraud in no time.
Fraud is EXACTLY this thing, deceiving other people into giving money to you. You took the seller's money by deceiving him. This is fraud.
Ebay TOS is completely irrelevant with the fraud you want to commit. You can link the traffic law too, but this is completely irrelevant as well.

 

[PeteBull]

With current miniscuie avaiability of 5080 and especially 5090 cards it feels like nvidia said to local/online stores:

 

[rubik's dude]

You took the seller's money

Wrong, ebay took the seller's money.

All the buyer did is destroy the product that they paid for, which is their right to do.

If a buyer wants to file a "not as described" claim on ebay, it's not the buyer's fault if ebay finds in their favor during arbitration.

Both parties voluntarily agreed to assume certain risks when transacting on ebay's platform.

 

[ZVWQP-9B8TM-VH9CT]

Wrong, ebay took the seller's money.

All the buyer did is destroy the product that they paid for, which is their right to do.

If a buyer wants to file a "not as described" claim on ebay, it's not the buyer's fault if ebay finds in their favor during arbitration.

Both parties voluntarily agreed to assume certain risks when transacting on ebay's platform.

Sure dude, then do it by recording it and send it to the seller after you take the money back. But I don't think you have the balls to do it, because you know you are spreading bs.

 

[64gigabyteram]

Me reading this thread being happy and smug for only paying $2k for my GPU.

I paid 400 for my GPU!



.... today it's 200.