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Greedo's shot? What the hell is that?

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ElyrionX

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Ok, I know I'm going to be literally crucified by some fans but there's just one thing I'm not getting:

Who the hell is Greedo and why are so many fans so goddamn pissed over the editing of the scene? And in the original who shot first and why does it matter so much?

EDIT: YES, I did watch the original trilogy but I can't recall the details. Its been so long since I last caught the films.....
 
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Error Macro

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Han shot Greedo before he even knew what hit him. It setup his character as being a badass. Lucas' editing turns him into more of a pussy, which I suppose is more consistant with his character in Return Of The Jedi. Lame.
 
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Mr Gump

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Greedo is the guy that approaches Han Solo in the bar at the bar on Tatooine.

No idea why star wars geeks make a big deal over anything though. Get some sun.
 
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impirius

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ElyrionX said:
Ok, I know I'm going to be literally crucified by some fans but there's just one thing I'm not getting:
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He's been LITERALLY CRUCIFIED!
LITERALLY!
 
Boogie9IGN

Boogie9IGN

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Greedo is some pussy ass Rodian bounty hunter, who in the original ANH, Han shot at first, thus making Han looking like a badass who doesn't take shit from anyone.

In the SE, Lucas changed it to Greedo shooting first, which diminished Han's reputation of undisputed badass in the eyes of some people
 
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Mr Gump

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Boogie9IGN said:
Greedo is some pussy ass Rodian bounty hunter, who in the original ANH, Han shot at first, thus making Han looking like a badass who doesn't take shit from anyone.

In the SE, Lucas changed it to Greedo shooting first, which diminished Han's reputation of undisputed badass in the eyes of some people
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How does greedo shoot first and MISS from point blank range?
 
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ElyrionX

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Mr Gump said:
How does greedo shoot first and MISS from point blank range?
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That's what I want to know too....

Anyway the whole thing sounds really kind of trivial. I can't believe how much noise the Star Wars fanboys are making over this bullshit......
 
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Mr Gump

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ElyrionX said:
That's what I want to know too....

Anyway the whole thing sounds really kind of trivial. I can't believe how much noise the Star Wars fanboys are making over this bullshit......
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Dont mention Han walking over jabbas tail then...
 
Boogie9IGN

Boogie9IGN

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Greedo is a crappy bounty hunter, coupled with him prob being nervous = Him missing.

That's the whole point of why people get pissed that Greedo shoots first in SE. If he's so shitty, why didn't Han just shoot first and kill the bastard like in the original

Personally, I like to think Greedo shoots second, but it's not something I go to bed every night and curse Lucas for changing.
 
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maharg

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ElyrionX said:
That's what I want to know too....

Anyway the whole thing sounds really kind of trivial. I can't believe how much noise the Star Wars fanboys are making over this bullshit......
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It's more like they don't get why it was such a big deal in the first place that it needed an edit that makes no sense. It's not even really that it makes han a pussy. It's just that it *makes no sense*.
 
shoplifter

shoplifter

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Sorry, but it's hardly trivial. It's a major piece of characterization, and it'd be like remaking the first few seasons of TNG, but making Riker afraid of women or something.

edit: not even that big a SW fan but I can see it.


edit2: even better, having Indy not shoot the guy with the sword.
 
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Error Macro

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Mr Gump said:
Dont mention Han walking over jabbas tail then...
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It doesn't look as bad on the DVD as it did in the Special Editions.

But I would say that the Greedo scene is but one (admittedly major) complaint that Star Wars fans have against the changes brought about by George Lickass, err, I mean Lucas. In the greater context of things, the debate of whether or not Lucas had the authority to go back and modify films that millions of people around the world held dear in their hearts, comes into play here. And that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
 
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Cafeman

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IG-88 is seen *dead* in Empire, the Bespin Cloud City Ugnaughts scene where Chewie is trying to rescue C-3PO's blasted body parts from the furnace. So he sucks too.
 
Boogie9IGN

Boogie9IGN

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Cafeman said:
IG-88 is seen *dead* in Empire, the Bespin Cloud City Ugnaughts scene where Chewie is trying to rescue C-3PO's blasted body parts from the furnace. So he sucks too.
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That's not the IG-88 you saw on the Star Destroyer. There's something like 4 IG-88s, and one flawed droid who awoke and thought he was IG-72, rather than an 88. These droids always hated Boba Fett, but he fucked them up.
One example is:

TF.N Encyclopedia said:
IG-88B was sent to the Hoth System by IG-88C, in hopes of gaining favor with Darth Vader. IG-88B responded to the call for bounty hunters to capture Han Solo, and the "dismantle on sight" order was ignored in the hopes of capturing Solo. IG-88B linked to the Executor's computer banks, downloading the entire database while placing microtracers into each of the other bounty hunters' ships. Within the data was the knowledge of the construction of the second Death Star, which IG-88b uploaded to its companions. IG-88B learned that Solo was on Cloud City, and went to complete its secondary mission. However, Boba Fett had discovered the microtracer, and set up a trap for the droid. Fett linked several ion cannons together, and when IG-88B crossed a trigger beam, they fired on it. IG-88B's systems went haywire, shutting down major portions of itself before it could recover. Fett placed two of IG-88B's concussion missiles in strategic body cavities, and the detonation destroyed IG-88B. However, just before its destruction, IG-88B sent a frantic message back to Mechis III, informing its three counterparts of the failure of the mission.
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Ninja Scooter

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because it DESTROYS THE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT OF HAN SOLO EVEN THOUGH HIS CHARACTER HAS BEEN AROUND FOR DAMN NEAR 30 YEARS AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE COMPLAINING KNOW IT LIKE THE BACK OF THEIR HAND.
 
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Error Macro

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Boogie9IGN said:
That's not the IG-88 you saw on the Star Destroyer. There's something like 4 IG-88s, and one flawed droid who awoke and thought he was IG-72, rather than an 88. These droids always hated Boba Fett, but he fucked them up.
One example is:

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ANYTHING THAT'S NOT IN THE MOVIES IS NOT PART OF THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE! BOOKS AND BACKGROUND DETAILS THAT WERE MERELY WRITTEN OFF BY LUCAS TO INSURE MORE MONEY CAME HIS WAY HAVE NO INFLUENCE OVER THE MOVIES!!

:p
 
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Miguel

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Greedo Shoots...
Han Shifts...
Han Shoots
Han Shoots again...


look at it in slo-mo.


OH NOS WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
 
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MetatronM

Unconfirmed Member
Miguel said:
Greedo Shoots...
Han Shifts...
Han Shoots
Han Shoots again...


look at it in slo-mo.


OH NOS WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
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That Han's a pussy AND a bad shot if he needs to shoot twice.
 
DCharlie

DCharlie

And even i am moderately surprised
"It setup his character as being a badass. Lucas' editing turns him into more of a pussy, which I suppose is more consistant with his character in Return Of The Jedi. Lame."

i always took this to be altered because Han's actions in the unaltered version make him more morally questionable.

Having Greedo shoot first (why would he shoot Han? isn't he trying to get Jabba his money? "He's no good to me dead") then means that it's morally okay for Han to shoot him back.

Meh, changing things to put in stuff that you wanted to put in (massive amounts of troopers, extra AT-ATs etc) i can understand - but changing the context of a situation or the fibre of a character is more questionable. Lucas obviously didn't have a problem with Han shooting Greedo back in the day, and Spielberg never had a problem with ET chasing agents having guns back then either... the world is full of whinging pussies , and if i wanted to make excuses for them (which i don't) i think these two might be pandering to those voices.
 
ManaByte

ManaByte

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Spielberg never had a problem with ET chasing agents having guns back then either... the world is full of whinging pussies
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Yes he did. Get the LD box set for E.T. and look at the documentary on it. There's an interview with Spielberg filmed a few years after the release of E.T. and he complains about it there and says if he ever has the chance he'd remove the guns.
 
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Hitman

Edmonton's milkshake attracts no boys.
Why was Han Solo not hit by Greedo at point blank range? The force portected him damnit! How else would Luke beat survive Vader if Han Solo had died.
 
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Rocket Punch

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Any self respecting Star Wars fanboy should read this book. It's a compilation of short stories based on the characters from the Mos Eisley cantina in ANH and a great read.

Basically Greedo was nothing more than a wanna-be bounty hunter. He was a schmuk reviled even by his fellow bounty hunters that got way over his head by going after Han. And to be fair, the book was actually printed out before the SE movies came out, so all in all, the SE and DVD changes are actually fairly accurate character wise to the Greedo as described in the book (ie. he's a lousy shot even at point blank range).

EDIT: Greedo is the green dude with the snout and bulging eyes for those who don't know.
 
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Spiritreaver

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I love hot a split second scene, out of 6+ hours of film changes the character for people wh have already seen and known his character. Han feels no different to me at all, again it's only a big deal if you nitpick, don't do it and you'll probably not have a problem. :p

But Star Wars is serious business. Lucas had ruined my childhood....

Actually, he's made me incredibly happy by finally releasing the films in such beauty.
 
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DDayton

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ManaByte said:
Yes he did. Get the LD box set for E.T. and look at the documentary on it. There's an interview with Spielberg filmed a few years after the release of E.T. and he complains about it there and says if he ever has the chance he'd remove the guns.
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I've never seen the "fancy new & improved" E.T. film -- they digitally removed the guns? I thought that was a joke...
 
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AniHawk

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Han knew Greedo was a bad shot, and wanted Greedo to humiliate himself before Han killed him.

See? Han's a badass either way.
 
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border

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I don't think that the altered scene irrevocably alters Han Solo's character, but it really just does stick out like a sore thumb. How could any bounty hunter miss his target from point-blank range?! Unless the movie was a comedy, I don't think you would see something like that anywhere esle.

If they were so concerned about Solo shooting first (which is pretty justified considering that a gun was being pointed at him), they really just should have re-shot the scene, or done some sort of CG alteration to where Solo reaches forward and pushes Greedo's gun aside, then fires. To have the other guy miss so ridiculously is just too dumb and absurd.

As far as the trilogy goes though, it probably wouldn't rank in the Top 5 list of "Stupid Changes", though.....
 
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KAOS

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Maybe Greedo had mosquito vision and aimed for the wrong Han Solo!?!

Heck maybe Lucas suffers from mosquito vision as well!
 
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mrklaw

MrArseFace
I highly doubt that the Star Wars fans are gonig to nail you to a cross.
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No, they'd freeze him in carbonite


As for the 'moral fibre' of Han Solo - I don't buy that they turn him into a pussy in Jedi. If he's such a mean son of a bitch, why does he come flying back to the death star in epIV, helping the 'kid' out? He'd be off spending his money. Surely the point with Han is that hes a tough guy on the outside, but inside there is a good guy wanting to get out. He just needs to have meaning in his life - being a hard nut is just a cover to excuse the fact that he has no life.
 
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