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So I saw it. It's pretty good.

Here's a link to the gaudiest, most inappropriate website ever: http://www.grizzlyman.com/

Ebert's review: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050811/REVIEWS/50726001/1023

From the review:
"Grizzly Man" is unlike any nature documentary I've seen; it doesn't approve of Treadwell, and it isn't sentimental about animals. It was assembled by Herzog, the great German director, from some 90 hours of video that [Timothy] Treadwell [, an eccentric wildlife advocate and victim of a gruesome bear attack] shot in the wild, and from interviews with those who knew him, including Jewel Palovak of Grizzly People, the organization Treadwell founded. She knew him as well as anybody.
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What Ebert comes oh-so-close to discovering in his review is that the movie is a nature documentary, but the nature it discovers lies in a juxtaposition of humanity and the bears that are the obsession of its subject. Apart from that, it is a film that is self aware of its musings, and a breath of fresh air in a series of disappointingly flash in the pan, mtv-style "documentaries" (i'm looking at you, murderball). You may not agree, or even like the antagonist. You may not even be sure who the antagonist is. Is it Herzog, the filmmaker attempting to understand and build intellectual cohesion out of the very real and visceral life of his subject, or is it Treadwell, the bipolar, borderline schizophrenic, bear-lover.

As a warning, this film may bore you, or it might make you uncomfortable. That's normal. In a world where every popular film must be framed as an escapist invitation to a breathtaking world meant to awe and relax, where every movie must end with some uplifting message of underdog championship, films that use the intellectual chaos of reality to produce something altogether more thought provoking are few and far between. This is one such film, and if you're OK with thinking through a set of moving images, pictures that may at times may not even seem immediately useful, with only minimal assistance, you should do yourself a favor, and see it.

Regards,
-Fart
 
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"I will die for these animals. I will die for these animals. I will die for these animals."

Well, he did.
 
I saw it too. It was pretty good, and I think your "review" of it is perfect. That's exactly what it is. My only complaint though, is that some of the interviews seemed sort of staged, and acted out, like when the lady is given his watch. The camera dwindles on her for too long. Other than that, I thought it was very interesting, and had the semi full theater cracking up a lot.
 
teepo said:
wtf kindoff review was that fart?

jesus christ, that was horrible.
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it's very meta. i think you'll understand if you see the movie. up to you, though. as lavar burton once said, "But you don't have to take my word for it." except seriously, when you don't listen to laforge, you get FUCKED. that nigga knows what's up in the engine room
 
Leatherface said:
So do we get to hear the audio of him getting mauled?!! :)
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No, but there are some descriptions of it by people who've heard it.

Alaska state biologist Larry van Daele also heard the audio of the attack. No one knows exactly what happened, but along with coroner Fallico, they tried to use speculation and a little forensic science to tell the story.

"It sounded like the bear had him held down and was biting him at that time," said van Daele. Then, he said, "it sounds like he got quiet at that point and played dead, the bear backed off and later came back."

Fallico said, "Amie was shouting … Timothy was moaning, growling, and trying to speak. And what he was saying was 'Run away!' … He punctuated his statements with screams, and finally Amie, who previously had been telling him to lay down and play dead, suddenly Timothy responded."

Fallico said he heard Treadwell tell his girlfriend, "'Hit the bear with a frying pan' … 'Whack the bear with a pan.' " He said, "I think I actually heard the pan impacting with the bear.

"Timothy clearly had changed his tune to one of defense, to one of resignation. 'I'm dying, get out of here.' That's what he told Amie, 'Get out of here! I'm dying!' " Fallico said.

"That's when I think Amie realized that the end was near, and the level of her screams, the intensity of the screams increased, and then the tape stopped."
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Source: ABC News
 
Ignoring fart's hilarious review (I'm assuming that was some form of irony beyond my meagre ken), I'm very interested in this movie. Can't wait to see it. :)
 
the lady who owns the audio tape (and i believe was a friend of the Grizzly man's) let some reporter hear the tape and afterwards he was like "You must never, ever listen to this" and he looked all disturbed and shit.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
the lady who owns the audio tape (and i believe was a friend of the Grizzly man's) let some reporter hear the tape and afterwards he was like "You must never, ever listen to this" and he looked all disturbed and shit.
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Heh, that was actually Werner Herzog, director of this documentary. From Ebert's review:
The cap was on his video camera during the attack, but audio was recorded. Herzog listens to the tape in the presence of Palovak, and then tells her: "You must never listen to this. You should not keep it. You should destroy it because it will be like the elephant in your room all your life." His decision not to play the audio in his film is a wise one, not only out of respect to the survivors of the victims, but because to watch him listening to it is, oddly, more effective than actually hearing it. We would hear, he tells us, Treadwell screaming for Amie to run for her life, and we would hear the sounds of her trying to fight off the bear by banging it with a frying pan.
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I agree that some of the interviews felt staged, but in a movie that's as much concerned with personas as it is grizzly bears, that almost-phoniness felt weirdly appropriate.

I thought this was a really fascinating and disturbing documentary. Definitely check it out.
 
I watched some episode of one of those news shows (60 Minutes, whatever, dunno) about this Grizzly Man guy. Very disturbing stuff, especially the description of his (and that girls) death.
 
Biglesworth23 said:
I watched some episode of one of those news shows (60 Minutes, whatever, dunno) about this Grizzly Man guy. Very disturbing stuff, especially the description of his (and that girls) death.
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Yeah I saw the 60 minutes show and that seemed to capture everything I'd ever want to know about this. I'm not sure what else the movie could show besides longer clips of him acting like a nutcase in front of the bears (which now that I think about it seems entertaining).
 
Herzog did a wonderful job putting this film together, it's worth your time. Discovery will be airing this on televsion in the fall, if you don't feel like catching it in the theater.
 
fart said:
it's very meta. i think you'll understand if you see the movie. up to you, though. as lavar burton once said, "But you don't have to take my word for it." except seriously, when you don't listen to laforge, you get FUCKED. that nigga knows what's up in the engine room
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i saw the movie and it is one of my favorites of the year.

what made your review laughable was how not only did you not read ebert's review, you called treadwell a borderline schizo.
 
Mifune said:
I agree that some of the interviews felt staged, but in a movie that's as much concerned with personas as it is grizzly bears, that almost-phoniness felt weirdly appropriate.

I thought this was a really fascinating and disturbing documentary. Definitely check it out.
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every documentry has staged scenes. a lot are usally staged because of the presence of a camera.
 
teepo said:
i saw the movie and it is one of my favorites of the year.

what made your review laughable was how not only did you not read ebert's review, you called treadwell a borderline schizo.
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first of all, i very clearly didn't but second of all, what? if he was diagnosable as schizophrenic he had a pretty functional illness (certainly possible). if he wasn't, he was very much on the borderline. this is pretty much the only statement in the OP i'll stand by.
 
Saw it over the weekend and it was very interesting. Treadwell definately had some form of depression or undiagnosed illness. I didn't understand how he believed he was "protecting" them.
The one guy said it best the he thought the bears tolerated him because they thought he was retarted. :lol

Is the audio anywhere on the net? It must have been in the posession of the police and the coroners offices before Herzog got it. I have to admit I want to hear it.
 
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