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GS: "PS3 dev kits in short supply"
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Chittagong
Gold Member
Didn't Microsoft ship around 3K dev kits for Xbox 360 or am I completely mistaken?
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Sony is desperately trying to not sound desperate. If MS has indeed sent 3K dev kits, Sony is in trouble. Plus, any PS3 game coming out in a year will be in development for less than 2 years. Hrmm
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
They are having trouble producing 100?
Yea, I can imagine EA ordering more than that themselves, for all their development houses would prolly want a bunch each.
If they have trouble with only 100, uhh - either not a lot of people are requesting them, or Sony ain't gonna make March.
Yea, I can imagine EA ordering more than that themselves, for all their development houses would prolly want a bunch each.
If they have trouble with only 100, uhh - either not a lot of people are requesting them, or Sony ain't gonna make March.
AndoCalrissian
Member
I like it how GS compared it to the PSP kit "shortage", and we all know how well that's going.
One thing that should be mentioned is that 100 kits shipped to publishers != 100 kits total. Sony is obviously looking after their first parties first, then other publishers. As per the original PS3 timeline, it called for v1 of PS3 Tool to be available around E3 time..
However running out of parts ain't a good thing. Hopefully as the progress toward final hardware that'll change.
However running out of parts ain't a good thing. Hopefully as the progress toward final hardware that'll change.
I'd hope that they (Nintendo) would go ahead and launch if they were ready. Sony is going to sell well out of the gate no matter what (just as the N64 did...out of the gate), so the danger would be in letting Microsoft get too much of a head start. Let Sony delay if they want. Nintendo should launch when they're ready, even if it's before Sony.
(and hopefully not after)
(and hopefully not after)
I spent time with a Sony 1st party developer at E3 and he said that they don't even have alpha kits yet. Basically they're developing on a PS2 and they're going to upscale everything later.
The same thing happened with the PSP, except that they downscaled things a tad, which is easier to do.
The same thing happened with the PSP, except that they downscaled things a tad, which is easier to do.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Jeff-DSA said:
Killzone must be pretty hard to develop that way.
Doom_Bringer
Banned
Jeff-DSA said:
Wrong buddy, Twisted Metal was developed on PS2 first and it looked like shit when it was first shown! The final PSP version looks much better.
There are obviously third parties out there with kits. If each company has a few kits, that's maybe 10-30 companies depending on how many you want to throw at each. I've no idea how they'd spread them around, but obviously as E3 exhibited, kits are out there with third parties.
As for first parties, one can only assume they've better access.
As for first parties, one can only assume they've better access.
Discordian_taco
Member
Soooo how long have X360 devs had REAL HW??? They have had G5's which does not contain Xenon cpu OR Xenos gpu...yet the Sony kits have the REAL CELL...now why is it ok for M$ devs to work on a kit that has no similarities to the real hw except the processor core and its not OK for Sony devs to do so?? Not to mention the x360 launch is much closer then the ps3 and yet devs are NOW getting real hw. I think all the fanboys are just desperately hoping for Sony D00M. Oh and by the way the tony hawk psp game was not tested on real kits until 1 month before launch and the game came out fine. Any launch game for a new console no matter WHAT generation is lucky to get real kits 3 months before a console launchs.
Doom_Bringer said:
You misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that the games had to be dev'd on the PS2 instead of PSP dev kits and then scaled down in the porting process. I didn't say that graphics were worsened, but the overall package became a scaled down product for the PSP. I happen to know this as fact from a Sony game designer.
Doom_Bringer
Banned
gofreak said:
why would it be underclocked?
Discordian_taco
Member
Yes I am aware they dont have the final GPU hence why it was not mentioned in my post, infact RSX still hasnt been finalized. I just find it annoying that people are so quick to proclaim doom for sony first chance they get without looking at the facts.
Chittagong
Gold Member
jboldiga said:
Wait... you are saying that they didn't test TH on real kits until February, although PSP was released December in Japan? Also, you do realize that QA and Cert do take some time that is not less than the one month you suggest, right? You, sir, must be talking out of your arse.
I still don't see how developing for PS2 would net you any forward momentum once you switch over to an actual PS3 development kit. I mean, I'd hope they're not bothering writing VU code for the PS2 or setting up GS transfers, because that would seem like a useless exercise when you're eventually moving it to PS3's Cell and RSX . . . may as well just write preliminary code for a PC using Nvidia hardware and OpenGL instead.
Elios83 said:
I can tell you why. People saw the press conference and were absolutely blown away by the footage shown. When they later found out it was all pre-rendered stuff it was depressing and for some people, anger-inducing.
I still think it's going to be a monster system and the games should look close to the pre-renders.
Discordian_taco
Member
Actually I know one of the lead programmers at Neversoft.
Doom_Bringer said:
Well they do have 3.2ghz chips, but i'd be surprised if all kits had them..yields at a lower clock for now are probably better. So if its problematic to make 3.2ghz parts now, it'd make sense to go with a lower clock in kits at the moment. I'm just guessing they're getting more useable parts with a lower clock right now
Jeff-DSA said:
Let's not go down this path..there was plenty of realtime stuff shown at the conference. Some of the most impressive demos (imo) were realtime ones.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Sony sounds like it is doing damage control.
resumes humming to myself and not paying attention
resumes humming to myself and not paying attention
Jeff-DSA said:
Those I'm referring to are not depressed people but pure haters,often junior members.
I think these people desire so hard to see Sony fail and after having seen what Sony has in store for PS3 their dreams were crushed and they got so frustrated that now we have a wave of haters and bs spreaders :lol
Elios83 said:Those I'm referring to are not depressed people but pure haters,often junior members.
I think these people desire so hard to see Sony fail that after seeing what Sony has in store for PS3 their dreams were crushed and they got so frustrated that now we have a wave of haters and bs spreaders :lol
Well BS gets sniffed out pretty quickly around here and it doesn't hold up. I'm just simply stating what I KNOW to be fact, not what I THINK.
I won't sell out a source for popularity on a message board, but I was told that they are developing PS3 software in their studio (that was shown at E3) on PS2 kits. The whole thing is probably going to get about 2 months worth of time on a PS3 kit to be upscaled based on the studio's experience with the PSP launch. Maybe they'll have the luxury of being able to delay their game, but Sony wants their title for launch. He said that his team is pretty scared about the idea of having it ready for Spring, so take that for what it's worth.
TheJollyCorner
Member
teiresias said:
and it's cool to think that FFVII PS3 Tech Demo was made pretty quickly.
I'm sure it's been posted here before, but just a recap from a new Kitase interview from Dengeki Playstation magazine: