Basing it on the past couple of launches NVIDIA have done (780Ti & 980Ti), the consensus seems to be around a year from now, possibly a bit earlier (e.g. March onwards). But we were surprised by the 980Ti's relatively early launch after the Titan X, so who knows, NVIDIA may decide to switch it up again and go even earlier.
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GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5X and GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5 available by June 2016
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Basing it on the past couple of launches NVIDIA have done (780Ti & 980Ti), the consensus seems to be around a year from now, possibly a bit earlier (e.g. March onwards). But we were surprised by the 980Ti's relatively early launch after the Titan X, so who knows, NVIDIA may decide to switch it up again and go even earlier.
McHuj
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I don't understand the "disappointment" thus far. One we don't know the benchmarks yet. Two, GP104 is an upgrade for GM204.
The jump for a 970 to a 1070 should be significant, likewise, for the 980 to 1080. It will probably be even bigger. Both should be a nice upgrade for existing 970/980 owners. You're going to be a getting 980Ti + performance at a substantially lower price and lower TPD.
When a comparable Pascal die to GM200 comes as a consumer GPU, that's when owners 980Ti should look to upgrade.
The jump for a 970 to a 1070 should be significant, likewise, for the 980 to 1080. It will probably be even bigger. Both should be a nice upgrade for existing 970/980 owners. You're going to be a getting 980Ti + performance at a substantially lower price and lower TPD.
When a comparable Pascal die to GM200 comes as a consumer GPU, that's when owners 980Ti should look to upgrade.
finalflame
Banned
I believe it's the 980 Ti owners like myself who are disgruntled. This release cycle of 'minor upgrade from current top-line consumer card' followed by an actual Ti release a year later is exhausting. If this will be similar to how the 980 compared to the 780 Ti, then it is extremely underwhelming for us.
HanzSnubSnub
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The 8 GB of VRAM is great and a much needed improvement, but "roughly" better than a 980 TI leaves a little to be desired. Everyone has been hyping up Pascal for a while now, and this doesn't seem like the great performance increase that was promised.
Doubt the jump will let me go to 1440p for lightboost which is basically what I want. We are getting a good power upgrade it's not gonna be that ungodly though.
Apoleptica
Banned
So when these come out can we expect nvidia to retro gimp the current cards with shit drivers?
That never happened in the first place, so I doubt it will now.
finalflame
Banned
What games exactly are being bottlenecked by the 980 Ti's 6gb VRAM?
opticalmace
Member
I'm sure he's referencing the 3.5/4GB on the 970 and 980. Though even then 4GB is fine for most applications. I guess at high res (4k, high ultrawide?) you'd possibly run into trouble.
If the 1070 is priced at ~$350, I will upgrade from my 970. 8gb of vram is nice so I can always run ultra textures with no worries about going over the limit. And if performance is close to a 980ti (or right at 980ti when OCed), it would be a no-brainer paying 100-150 to upgrade, especially if they throw in a new $60 game that I was going to buy anyways.
HanzSnubSnub
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Sorry, I didn't mean it like that! Just that some AMD cards already have 8 GB, and 8 GB will be perfect for future proofing the card.
This too. 4K + Ultra settings will definitely chew through VRAM.
Apoleptica
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Well during the launch of the 980 the 780ti was about as good if not better, but now the 780ti performs worse than even the 970 in some cases. (Project cars for example).
FearlessBelgian
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dealer-
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I'm interested in the 1060 too, seems a bit late now to be buying the 960 though I don't want to wait another six months. I read that the 1060 would be coming in the autumn/fall.
finalflame
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Ah my bad! I agree, bumping up VRAM to 8gb is fantastic overall, I just don't see it all getting used at the current levels of rendering performance. Even with a 980 Ti, I will run run into undesirable framerates far before I hit the 6gb VRAM ceiling on my GPU.
I guess it will also be nice for SLi, if only SLi weren't so poorly supported and problematic (based on my previous experience with GTX 980s in SLi). Overall, I just wish the 1080 would give me a reason to upgrade from the 980 Ti, but it seems unlikely.
Up until about 2010 the GPU generation jumps were HUGE, consistently. Hell in mid 00's you had GPU gens that were capable of new things that were completely impossible on old gen (or HUNDREDS of times less efficient).
AMD's equivalent is at least 6 months away and we know next to nothing about it.
I know how WCCFtech's track record is (practically non-existing), but their conclusion this time isn't that far fetched. GP104 is looking to be ~310mm² according to the latest estimates I've read while GM200 is 601mm². Just for speculation's sake let's use double the transistor density going from 28nm to 16FF+. Not everything scales linearly when you go down a node and I'm skipping a lot of other details. I bet relatively speaking GP104's memory controller is going to be even bigger than GM204's because it needs to deal with higher clocked GDDR5X. That would put GP104 slightly above GM200 purely going by die size which means not a whole lot.
Now it depends on how much extra performance nVidia can get due to the new process (clock speeds) and architectural improvements.
Surely this card will be faster than a 980 Ti. Would've been silly otherwise. But it's not too crazy of an idea to assume it won't blow GM200 away. This thing is meant for people who are sitting on >970/980s or whoever wants a few more frames over their 980 Ti.
Not that I'm trying to lecture you here, just throwing it out there.
demosthenes
Member
Depending on price may upgrade from my 780.
And the nano
But yeah, HBM2 is not ready for the consumer space. Both AMD and Nvidia are waiting to release cards that include it, the supposed GTX1080ti and Vega cards.
supernormal
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How would this affect the price of the current 980ti.
this game is the main reason i'm upgrading. I enjoy total war a lot and my desktop is very weak (has an AMD5550 if my memory serves me), i can barely run attila and rome II.
I'm waiting for nvidia and AMD to show their cards so i can pick the one i want.
HanzSnubSnub
Member
The way the article is worded, it sounds like a 1080 won't be that much better in terms of rendering over a 980 Ti, which is a shame if true. If true, then your right. 8gb will be overkill since the rendering power won't be boosted sufficiently.
McHuj
Member
Well, yeah it's not a huge upgrade for 980Ti owners. But it's not an upgrade for 980Ti owners, it's an upgrade for 970/980 owners many of whom are ready for an upgrade since they've been using their cards since 2014.
JigglesBunny
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I have a GTX 980, I'll wait for the 1080Ti for a real substatial upgrade.
finalflame
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For the most part the 980 Ti can already handle 1440p/60+ in most modern titles at max settings, as long as you don't use ridiculous things like 4xMSAA on top of it.
With that said, 20% performance over the 980 Ti would drive me to upgrade in a heartbeat. Seems unlikely, unfortunately.
CyberPunked
Member
Not gonna upgrade until there is a card that gives ~40% boost from my Titan X... see you in a year then.
Kudo
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If Pascal is coming next month I'm just hoping to future-proof my computer for little longer, but I guess 20%+ is asking for too much.
We'll see, looking forward to benchmarks.
opticalmace
Member
Wait for the Polaris and Pascal benchmarks (and costs) and then decide.
Vlaphor
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Depends on what game you want to play in 4k and what the rest of your system is. I have an I7 4790k running at 4.4 with 16gb of ram and a 980ti with a mild overclock and I can play Witcher 3 at 4k with a smooth framerate. Not gonna say locked 60, but nothing ever feels juddery or slow. I have everything maxed out except for AA, which the downsampling takes care of anyway.
SmartWaffles
Member
I personally don't think the price of both cards will be unreasonable, they are replacing the 970 and the 980 which both are phasing out production, unless they are stupid enough to give AMD free reign at $300-500 range.
Shadowheart
Member
So the fireworks are saved for Christmas?
(the full on next leap specs card)
(the full on next leap specs card)
LordOcidax
Member
Wccftech as a source??? really... BTW, i cant wait for the new gen of gpus, my 280x just die
It's actually GDDR5x, which has faster throughput. I believe it is developed by Samsung.
We didn't know about the 970's memory limitations until it had been in consumer hands for about a month.
Edit: Micron, don't know where I had heard Samsung.
GDDR5X is developed by Micron. They'll be the first to have it.
blastprocessor
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I expect the 1060 to be the next value card with better than 970 performance and lower TDP. Would be a perfect upgrade from a 660.
cripterion
Member
This is shit. Was expecting something better. I guess I'll hold on to my 980ti and wait for 2nd gen pascal
ss_lemonade
Member
Isn't it more like newer games working more to the strengths of these newer cards? Or is it the same games just getting faster with 9xx cards and not with 7xx cards over time?
I do know I was disappointed after seeing how the 960 seemed to perform the same (or better) than my 780 in games like the witcher 3
dr. apocalipsis
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Terrible time to buy a GPU, but my card can't hold anymore.
I would somewhat happily buy a 6GB 1070 for around 300 bucks, but I expect it to be closer to 400 with crippled 8GB.
Please AMD, be gud and force Nvidia's 300mm chips to go back to entry level segment.
I would somewhat happily buy a 6GB 1070 for around 300 bucks, but I expect it to be closer to 400 with crippled 8GB.
Please AMD, be gud and force Nvidia's 300mm chips to go back to entry level segment.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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I've got a gtx 980 ti but if AMD's new cards prove to be worthwhile I would be inclined to jump in. Will see how Polaris goes