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GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5X and GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5 available by June 2016

Qassim

Member
Haven't been following but roughly when can we expect to see the Ti versions? My 780ti is chugging along these days.

Basing it on the past couple of launches NVIDIA have done (780Ti & 980Ti), the consensus seems to be around a year from now, possibly a bit earlier (e.g. March onwards). But we were surprised by the 980Ti's relatively early launch after the Titan X, so who knows, NVIDIA may decide to switch it up again and go even earlier.
 

McHuj

Member
I don't understand the "disappointment" thus far. One we don't know the benchmarks yet. Two, GP104 is an upgrade for GM204.

The jump for a 970 to a 1070 should be significant, likewise, for the 980 to 1080. It will probably be even bigger. Both should be a nice upgrade for existing 970/980 owners. You're going to be a getting 980Ti + performance at a substantially lower price and lower TPD.

When a comparable Pascal die to GM200 comes as a consumer GPU, that's when owners 980Ti should look to upgrade.
 

finalflame

Banned
I don't understand the "disappointment" thus far. One we don't know the benchmarks yet. Two, GP104 is an upgrade for GM204.

The jump for a 970 to a 1070 should be significant, likewise, for the 980 to 1080. It will probably be even bigger. Both should be a nice upgrade for existing 970/980 owners. You're going to be a getting 980Ti + performance at a substantially lower price and lower TPD.

When a comparable Pascal die to GM200 comes as a consumer GPU, that's when owners 980Ti should look to upgrade.

I believe it's the 980 Ti owners like myself who are disgruntled. This release cycle of 'minor upgrade from current top-line consumer card' followed by an actual Ti release a year later is exhausting. If this will be similar to how the 980 compared to the 780 Ti, then it is extremely underwhelming for us.
 

Seiniyta

Member
I think the 1070 will be a modest upgrade for my 670. Though I'm surprised how well the 670 is holding up for many games at high settings. (though the witcher 3 is making it go to the 40's/30's)
 

ZeroAKA

Member
Have there been any rumors about a release date for the 1060? I'm building a PC in September and still trying to decide which GPU to go for.
 
The 8 GB of VRAM is great and a much needed improvement, but "roughly" better than a 980 TI leaves a little to be desired. Everyone has been hyping up Pascal for a while now, and this doesn't seem like the great performance increase that was promised.
 

LCGeek

formerly sane
I don't understand the "disappointment" thus far. One we don't know the benchmarks yet. Two, GP104 is an upgrade for GM204.

The jump for a 970 to a 1070 should be significant, likewise, for the 980 to 1080. It will probably be even bigger. Both should be a nice upgrade for existing 970/980 owners. You're going to be a getting 980Ti + performance at a substantially lower price and lower TPD.

When a comparable Pascal die to GM200 comes as a consumer GPU, that's when owners 980Ti should look to upgrade.

Doubt the jump will let me go to 1440p for lightboost which is basically what I want. We are getting a good power upgrade it's not gonna be that ungodly though.
 

finalflame

Banned
The 8 GB of VRAM is great and a much needed improvement, but "roughly" better than a 980 TI leaves a little to be desired. Everyone has been hyping up Pascal for a while now, and this doesn't seem like the great performance increase that was promised.

What games exactly are being bottlenecked by the 980 Ti's 6gb VRAM?
 

jose1

Member
If the 1070 is priced at ~$350, I will upgrade from my 970. 8gb of vram is nice so I can always run ultra textures with no worries about going over the limit. And if performance is close to a 980ti (or right at 980ti when OCed), it would be a no-brainer paying 100-150 to upgrade, especially if they throw in a new $60 game that I was going to buy anyways.
 
What games exactly are being bottlenecked by the 980 Ti's 6gb VRAM?

Sorry, I didn't mean it like that! Just that some AMD cards already have 8 GB, and 8 GB will be perfect for future proofing the card.

I'm sure he's referencing the 3.5/4GB on the 970 and 980. Though even then 4GB is fine for most applications. I guess at high res (4k, high ultrawide?) you'd possibly run into trouble.
This too. 4K + Ultra settings will definitely chew through VRAM.
 

dealer-

Member
Have there been any rumors about a release date for the 1060? I'm building a PC in September and still trying to decide which GPU to go for.

I'm interested in the 1060 too, seems a bit late now to be buying the 960 though I don't want to wait another six months. I read that the 1060 would be coming in the autumn/fall.
 

finalflame

Banned
Sorry, I didn't mean it like that! Just that some AMD cards already have 8 GB, and 8 GB will be perfect for future proofing the card.


This too. 4K + Ultra settings will definitely chew through VRAM.

Ah my bad! I agree, bumping up VRAM to 8gb is fantastic overall, I just don't see it all getting used at the current levels of rendering performance. Even with a 980 Ti, I will run run into undesirable framerates far before I hit the 6gb VRAM ceiling on my GPU.

I guess it will also be nice for SLi, if only SLi weren't so poorly supported and problematic (based on my previous experience with GTX 980s in SLi). Overall, I just wish the 1080 would give me a reason to upgrade from the 980 Ti, but it seems unlikely.
 

Nachtmaer

Member
I hope AMD will run in full speed and make things interesting, ruining the tired Nvidia release schedule.

AMD's equivalent is at least 6 months away and we know next to nothing about it.

I'll be utterly blown away, with disappointment, if these performance rumors are true. A die shrink plus an architectural shift are supposed to bring HUGE performance leaps.

I know how WCCFtech's track record is (practically non-existing), but their conclusion this time isn't that far fetched. GP104 is looking to be ~310mm² according to the latest estimates I've read while GM200 is 601mm². Just for speculation's sake let's use double the transistor density going from 28nm to 16FF+. Not everything scales linearly when you go down a node and I'm skipping a lot of other details. I bet relatively speaking GP104's memory controller is going to be even bigger than GM204's because it needs to deal with higher clocked GDDR5X. That would put GP104 slightly above GM200 purely going by die size which means not a whole lot.

Now it depends on how much extra performance nVidia can get due to the new process (clock speeds) and architectural improvements.

Surely this card will be faster than a 980 Ti. Would've been silly otherwise. But it's not too crazy of an idea to assume it won't blow GM200 away. This thing is meant for people who are sitting on >970/980s or whoever wants a few more frames over their 980 Ti.

Not that I'm trying to lecture you here, just throwing it out there.
 

kami_sama

Member
Eh, in this case, it's also because of poor HBM2 yields

It's the same reason fury and fury X were the only R9 cards to feature HBM.

And the nano :p
But yeah, HBM2 is not ready for the consumer space. Both AMD and Nvidia are waiting to release cards that include it, the supposed GTX1080ti and Vega cards.
 

karnage10

Banned
Total War Warhammer
it's not gonna run well even on 1180ti

this game is the main reason i'm upgrading. I enjoy total war a lot and my desktop is very weak (has an AMD5550 if my memory serves me), i can barely run attila and rome II.
I'm waiting for nvidia and AMD to show their cards so i can pick the one i want.
 
Ah my bad! I agree, bumping up VRAM to 8gb is fantastic overall, I just don't see it all getting used at the current levels of rendering performance. Even with a 980 Ti, I will run run into undesirable framerates far before I hit the 6gb VRAM ceiling on my GPU.

I guess it will also be nice for SLi, if only SLi weren't so poorly supported and problematic (based on my previous experience with GTX 980s in SLi). Overall, I just wish the 1080 would give me a reason to upgrade from the 980 Ti, but it seems unlikely.

The way the article is worded, it sounds like a 1080 won't be that much better in terms of rendering over a 980 Ti, which is a shame if true. If true, then your right. 8gb will be overkill since the rendering power won't be boosted sufficiently.
 

McHuj

Member
I believe it's the 980 Ti owners like myself who are disgruntled. This release cycle of 'minor upgrade from current top-line consumer card' followed by an actual Ti release a year later is exhausting. If this will be similar to how the 980 compared to the 780 Ti, then it is extremely underwhelming for us.

Well, yeah it's not a huge upgrade for 980Ti owners. But it's not an upgrade for 980Ti owners, it's an upgrade for 970/980 owners many of whom are ready for an upgrade since they've been using their cards since 2014.
 

Kudo

Member
If 1080 is 20%ish or more better than 980Ti I'll upgrade my 780, and reasonably priced of course.
Need something to run 1440p properly, hoping these deliver.
 

finalflame

Banned
If 1080 is 20%ish or more better than 980Ti I'll upgrade my 780, and reasonably priced of course.
Need something to run 1440p properly, hoping these deliver.

For the most part the 980 Ti can already handle 1440p/60+ in most modern titles at max settings, as long as you don't use ridiculous things like 4xMSAA on top of it.

With that said, 20% performance over the 980 Ti would drive me to upgrade in a heartbeat. Seems unlikely, unfortunately.
 

Kudo

Member
For the most part the 980 Ti can already handle 1440p/60+ in most modern titles at max settings, as long as you don't use ridiculous things like 4xMSAA on top of it.

With that said, 20% performance over the 980 Ti would drive me to upgrade in a heartbeat. Seems unlikely, unfortunately.

If Pascal is coming next month I'm just hoping to future-proof my computer for little longer, but I guess 20%+ is asking for too much.
We'll see, looking forward to benchmarks.
 

Kindekuma

Banned
I don't know what to do, wait for Pascal and go with AMD or wait for the 1000 series GTX cards? My GTX 680 is showing it's age and I need an upgrade.
 

Aikidoka

Member
So they are predicting a 1070 price of >$500? I don't really think that's very reasonable. You can find 980ti's for $600. I hope it's closer to $400.
 

Vlaphor

Member
sorry for the dumb question, but is there a 4k capable card in existence right now? (That plays 4k easily?)

Depends on what game you want to play in 4k and what the rest of your system is. I have an I7 4790k running at 4.4 with 16gb of ram and a 980ti with a mild overclock and I can play Witcher 3 at 4k with a smooth framerate. Not gonna say locked 60, but nothing ever feels juddery or slow. I have everything maxed out except for AA, which the downsampling takes care of anyway.
 
I personally don't think the price of both cards will be unreasonable, they are replacing the 970 and the 980 which both are phasing out production, unless they are stupid enough to give AMD free reign at $300-500 range.
 

Grief.exe

Member
So is it actually 8 GB's DDR5 or is it like the 970 again?

It's actually GDDR5x, which has faster throughput. I believe it is developed by Samsung.

We didn't know about the 970's memory limitations until it had been in consumer hands for about a month.

Edit: Micron, don't know where I had heard Samsung.
 

tuxfool

Banned
It's actually GDDR5x, which has faster throughput. I believe it is developed by Samsung.

We didn't know about the 970's memory limitations untionitnhad been in consumer hands for about a month.

GDDR5X is developed by Micron. They'll be the first to have it.
 

blastprocessor

The Amiga Brotherhood
I expect the 1060 to be the next value card with better than 970 performance and lower TDP. Would be a perfect upgrade from a 660.
 

Mifec

Member
Now we wait for AMD to release their offer which I hope is good and then for nVidia to be forced to maul them with the new Titan/Ti so I can get those.
 

Nabbis

Member
I don't get the whining about performance. If you have the luxury of changing a X80TI every generation, you don't really give a shit about the money aspect anyway.
 

ss_lemonade

Member
Well during the launch of the 980 the 780ti was about as good if not better, but now the 780ti performs worse than even the 970 in some cases. (Project cars for example).
Isn't it more like newer games working more to the strengths of these newer cards? Or is it the same games just getting faster with 9xx cards and not with 7xx cards over time?

I do know I was disappointed after seeing how the 960 seemed to perform the same (or better) than my 780 in games like the witcher 3
 
Terrible time to buy a GPU, but my card can't hold anymore.

I would somewhat happily buy a 6GB 1070 for around 300 bucks, but I expect it to be closer to 400 with crippled 8GB.

Please AMD, be gud and force Nvidia's 300mm chips to go back to entry level segment.
 
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