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Man, when things start going downhill (not like they aren't already) you'll wish you had a gun to protect yourself. Everyday I am astounded at the blatant stupidity and ignorance you people have towards guns. BTW read 1984. That's not gonna happen in more conservative areas. Also inb4 Ron Paul meme etc.



I have found that this is the general attitude liberals have towards things that they don't fully understand. I know I am coming off hostile, but its the truth.

Sorry I didn't respond earlier...scrolled down too fast.

You speak of blatant stupidity and ignorance towards guns and then turnaround talking about 1984? I know you come off as hostile, but frankly it's not worth the effort. Arguing about a dying ideal takes up way more energy than just smiling, nodding and waiting for the idea to go the way of the dodo.
 
I can't recall ever seeing someone carrying a gun in public in Miami, police aside, and I've lived here all my life. Apparently they are everywhere? Okay. Strangely, I feel no less safe.
 
Then what's the logic behind concealed carry, specifically? That's ALL I'm talking about here. I don't see a reason for John Q. Public to have a gun stashed in their jacket or whatever as being OK simply because it makes you feel safe.

And insurance is a false equivocation. You're much more likely to get into a fender bender or any other accident than be involved in a life threatening situation where it's kill, use the threat of lethal force, or be killed. And you WILL need health insurance at some point in your life (which is why I'm all about universal health care...no need to buy it because it's covered).

I'm saying that the motivations for a citizen to want to carry a concealed weapon are wrong.

For the record, I wish I could have a gun in my house (my wife is 100% against it, and we have kids which makes the debate non-existent). I was raised around them and owned (if you can call it that) one when I was 8 years old. I'd love to hunt, and have permits that allow me to carry that weapon in my car because I'm a hunter with a license to hunt in this season or that.
The logic is not complicated. You are dismissing it because you are not concerned by it. Again, you are ascribing motivation then using thyat to dismiss the position. I don't carry a gun. I don't have house insurance, I don't have income protection insurance, I don't worry about getting mugged. But, those that do may have valid reasons for doing so even if I don't share those reasons.
 
The logic is not complicated. You are dismissing it because you are not concerned by it. Again, you are ascribing motivation then using thyat to dismiss the position. I don't carry a gun. I don't have house insurance, I don't have income protection insurance, I don't worry about getting mugged. But, those that do may have valid reasons for doing so even if I don't share those reasons.

Yes, but the gun is the only thing you listed there that could enable one person to kill another. I respect that people might want a gun to make them feel safe. I don't agree that it will make you safer as a whole and I don't agree that it makes sense.

Let's be clear...I have insurance. I don't want my wife walking through a dark parking lot. Makes me uneasy. But I'd rather be uneasy and have her know how to defend herself than have her carry a concealed gun. Which is what this whole thing is about.
 
Yes, but the gun is the only thing you listed there that could enable one person to kill another. I respect that people might want a gun to make them feel safe. I don't agree that it will make you safer as a whole and I don't agree that it makes sense.

Let's be clear...I have insurance. I don't want my wife walking through a dark parking lot. Makes me uneasy. But I'd rather be uneasy and have her know how to defend herself than have her carry a concealed gun. Which is what this whole thing is about.

You still are not getting it. Just because you don't agree with them, does not mean you can ascribe any motivation you want and then disparage them based on that motivation. It may be 'wrong', but it doesn't mean it is not genuine.

Edit: I don't care a jot about your opinion on carrying a gun, I am talking about your argument you presented in your first post and the logic you used.
 
Yes, but the gun is the only thing you listed there that could enable one person to kill another. I respect that people might want a gun to make them feel safe. I don't agree that it will make you safer as a whole and I don't agree that it makes sense.

Let's be clear...I have insurance. I don't want my wife walking through a dark parking lot. Makes me uneasy. But I'd rather be uneasy and have her know how to defend herself than have her carry a concealed gun. Which is what this whole thing is about.

That's clearly the choice you and your wife have made. Whether you agree or disagree about my choice to carry is irrelevant and quite frankly not you business. I'm abiding by the law.
 
That's clearly the choice you and your wife have made. Whether you agree or disagree about my choice to carry is irrelevant and quite frankly not you business. I'm abiding by the law.

Yes you are abiding by the law...point me to a place where I called you a criminal and I'll not label that as a needlessly defensive statement. And I'm pretty sure I've made it clear that I disagree with that by doing more than saying "it's quite frankly not your business" and stating that your agreement or otherwise is irrelevant. I feel that it is my business when someone is carrying a weapon with the express purpose of killing me. If you can assume that anyone can flip out and attack you then anyone has the equal right to assume that you'll kill them and feel just as, if not more, threatened or nervous because of that.

I think you shouldn't have the right to carry a concealed gun and it's my opinion. I'd back legislation that would take that right away.
 
Yes you are abiding by the law...point me to a place where I called you a criminal and I'll not label that as a needlessly defensive statement. And I'm pretty sure I've made it clear that I disagree with that by doing more than saying "it's quite frankly not your business" and stating that your agreement or otherwise is irrelevant. I feel that it is my business when someone is carrying a weapon with the express purpose of killing me. If you can assume that anyone can flip out and attack you then anyone has the equal right to assume that you'll kill them and feel just as, if not more, threatened or nervous because of that.

I think you shouldn't have the right to carry a concealed gun and it's my opinion. I'd back legislation that would take that right away.

Obviously I'm not being needlessly defensive since you'd back legislation to take my right away. So yeah in my opinion it's not your business. Deal with it.
 
Ah, so it's personal? Way to be aggressive and protective of your rights to carry a concealed weapon. Enforce that stereotype.

How again have I been aggressive? If anything your opinions have been aggressive. I'm not going to just sit and listen to them without giving back my own opinions. You're the one with the view of all CCW holders to have a hero complex. If knew anything about CCW you'd know as I've stated that "hero complex" attitudes are not taught or encouraged in training. Go ahead though with your speculative fiction on gun owners and CCW though. You have that right, but if you think I'm going to keep my mouth shut about it, you have another thing coming.
 
How again have I been aggressive? If anything your opinions have been aggressive. I'm not going to just sit and listen to them without giving back my own opinions. You're the one with the view of all CCW holders to have a hero complex. If knew anything about CCW you'd know as I've stated that "hero complex" attitudes are not taught or encouraged in training. Go ahead though with your speculative fiction on gun owners and CCW though. You have that right, but if you think I'm going to keep my mouth shut about it, you have another thing coming.

Perhaps you should read my posts and then talk more. It's not worth getting into...you're defensive and that doesn't facilitate any kind of conversation.
 
Perhaps you should read my posts and then talk more. It's not worth getting into...you're defensive and that doesn't facilitate any kind of conversation.

I went back and read your posts. I don't see anything particularily enlightening in them. I disagree about it not being worth getting into. On the contrary it's very worth the conversation. Unless you want to have one where I don't defend my position.
 
I went back and read your posts. I don't see anything particularily enlightening in them. I disagree about it not being worth getting into. On the contrary it's very worth the conversation. Unless you want to have one where I don't defend my position.

Jesus H...defend your position with things other than assumptions about what I said (I never assumed that everyone with a CC had a hero complex and stated in in a response earlier), or statements like "deal with it", or labeling my opinion irrelevant and then we'll talk.

Or read my posts. Again. I don't think the cops should kick down your door and take your guns, or your CC permit. If you're having trouble dealing with the fact that someone might get unsettled by the fact that you have a gun that you want to keep concealed, OK. But don't expect a conversation when you say that opinions are irrelevant. Sort of defeats the purpose.
 
Jesus H...defend your position with things other than assumptions about what I said (I never assumed that everyone with a CC had a hero complex and stated in in a response earlier), or statements like "deal with it", or labeling my opinion irrelevant and then we'll talk.

Or read my posts. Again. I don't think the cops should kick down your door and take your guns, or your CC permit. If you're having trouble dealing with the fact that someone might get unsettled by the fact that you have a gun that you want to keep concealed, OK. But don't expect a conversation when you say that opinions are irrelevant. Sort of defeats the purpose.

I could have been less of a dick. For that I apologize. Your opinion isn't irrelevant. I do however feel that my right to carry should be respected just as much as your right to choose not to.

I also read one of your other posts with your opinion on OC vs CC. Wish I would've seen it earlier although I completely disagree with you on OC. It invites trouble imo. Anyway I'm hitting the road.
 
The reason it doesn't seem like that by the way is because the vast majority of gun owners are safe and responsible.

Irresponsible Gun Owners are like Bad Drivers ... none of them ever believes they themselves are one. Do you leave it up to the individual to decide for themselves?
 
Irresponsible Gun Owners are like Bad Drivers ... none of them ever believes they themselves are one. Do you leave it up to the individual to decide for themselves?

Unfortunately, there wouldn't be any statistics that could show us as the gun laws already on the books are not enforced good enough. Instead we're citing people for dumpter diving. <_<
 
I enjoy the hypocrisy that people call gun owners paranoid, and their own reason for wanting to ban guns themselves is paranoia. Its like saying just because I have male genitals I'm potentially a rapist.
 
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