BattleMonkey
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Ew no, the serious "plot" stuff was the worst part of the first series.
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Ew no, the serious "plot" stuff was the worst part of the first series.
SliceSabre
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Episode 3
Ok episode overall. I'm still not liking the fact they keep pulling super moves out of thin air rather then using smarts to win the battles. Theonik has ruined a certain character in this show for me, however.
Ok episode overall. I'm still not liking the fact they keep pulling super moves out of thin air rather then using smarts to win the battles. Theonik has ruined a certain character in this show for me, however.
donkey show
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Can you moonspeak folk translate these bits for me from the Build Burning manual?
MikeBreezy92
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Tbh, a lot of the issues people are having with try I had with the original series. Until the characters developed beyond their tropes the show didn't get as awesome as it is. I think we're too willing to compare to the original series after Sei and co. grew into their characters
Jex
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Ok, I'm not trying to be a naysayer or anything, but by this point a lot of work had been establishing the two main characters in the show, how they work together, how they work seperately and how their relationship worked. It even given everyone their back stories and flesh out side characters. There was even a main rival!
MikeBreezy92
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Yeah but as a sequel series there are three main characters, time skip stuff, different plot lines, etc.
They have to make it accessible to new viewers and those who watched the first one. There's a lot more they need to do since they decided to go with the three protagonist model
ColossalLazy
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By this point a lot of work had been establishing the three main characters in the show, how they work together, how they work seperately and how their relationship worked. It even given everyone their back stories and flesh out some side characters.
Am I doing it right? You could say that the third main character from GBF was the rival.
Feels like they had a pretty obvious route for development with Fumina, but it's all getting sent to the kitchen because Sekai needs to punch things. And glasses is just useless and his backstory is terribly inane, in a way that the show doesn't even make light of, making it even more useless.
Jex
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The real problem with Sekai is he's basically feels like a first draft of Seiji. You know, the guy you come up with before you flesh him out and make him interesting. Reiji even looks like he's got the more advanced and finalised design:
I agree entirely. I just feel like they haven't done anything to convince me that they know how to handle three protagonists.
I agree entirely. I just feel like they haven't done anything to convince me that they know how to handle three protagonists.
Have they? Have they really? Fumina came pretty close to getting some development, at one point. Glasses dude is one of the blandest characters in the series despite the presence of 'angst'. Sekai is still just red-haired dumb fighter dude.
Nah, Sekai's design is fine. Reiji's shades looked dumb and fieri. Though I think he could stand to look more like his OP self, instead of the midget that he is in the show.
He's not exactly a dead end character wise that glasses is, at least; there's avenues for them to pursue, things they can work off of. But god, the glasses guy is so bad.
He's not exactly a dead end character wise that glasses is, at least; there's avenues for them to pursue, things they can work off of. But god, the glasses guy is so bad.
ColossalLazy
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At this point (ch 3) Reiji just wanted to get stronger just to beat Tatsuya in a rematch. Pretty similar to a dumb fighter dude we know.
Glasses is participating again to redeem himself because of the broken promise to Fumina due to his failure in a past tournament. How is he bland? He has his own problems to deal.
ColossalLazy
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Comparisons are inevitable for sequels. Even if it is 3 episodes.
Episode 3
That was an OK episode. Character animation was really off. Inconsistent even within the episode itself. Really hope that was a a fluke and not a sign of things to come.
Story wise, there wasn't much here. Kind of a wasted episode all around. There was a lot of build up to a battle with a rival set we really had not introduction to, so I couldn't care much about it. With what they had, the battle actually turned out pretty well. Some amazing moments with at least a few hints of team tactics that I hope to see more of through the show. The ending with Sekai rescuing Gyanko's mech was super dumb. Why bother stop her from falling? It's a fake battle simulation, what's the worse that can happen. That attitude could easily come back to bite him when the show actually has real competition.
I can see what they're doing with Yuuma's backstory, but they're squeezing too much into one space and ruining it all. I could understand the words and devastation of that battle really scarring a young kid had the opponent he was up against been well established. Those things coming from a mentor or a top world competitor Yumma might look up to? That makes sense. We don't have any of that. We just have some nameless, faceless battler which just makes the situation seem like Yuuma being a whiny brat.
I'm probably in the minority in this case, but I'm definitely already enjoying the Try cast more than the S1 cast. S1 had a few characters I really liked, namely Aila, Reiji and Fellini. The rest were either just non-offensive tropes or characters that actively took away from my enjoyment of the show (Kirara). At this point, I really do like Fumina a whole lot. I think she's a really interesting character that I hope they don't spoil over the course of the season. Sekai feels like Reiji with a mech that actually fits his fighting style and the fact that Yuuma actually fights in the tournament unlike Sei, those two can have a credible rivalry. Their interactions are bog standard battle shonen rivalry, but I'm still having a lot of fun with them. It also helps that the show doesn't have the super happy try-hard Sei dragging it down.
Next week is a SD focused episode! Like that. Really hope they make SD kits a real part of the show this time outside of the Winning Gundam. It's a major part of GunPla, so it definitely deserves some focus. I also really hope they get away from the "SD kits are for kids and girls" thing they had in S1.
That was an OK episode. Character animation was really off. Inconsistent even within the episode itself. Really hope that was a a fluke and not a sign of things to come.
Story wise, there wasn't much here. Kind of a wasted episode all around. There was a lot of build up to a battle with a rival set we really had not introduction to, so I couldn't care much about it. With what they had, the battle actually turned out pretty well. Some amazing moments with at least a few hints of team tactics that I hope to see more of through the show. The ending with Sekai rescuing Gyanko's mech was super dumb. Why bother stop her from falling? It's a fake battle simulation, what's the worse that can happen. That attitude could easily come back to bite him when the show actually has real competition.
I can see what they're doing with Yuuma's backstory, but they're squeezing too much into one space and ruining it all. I could understand the words and devastation of that battle really scarring a young kid had the opponent he was up against been well established. Those things coming from a mentor or a top world competitor Yumma might look up to? That makes sense. We don't have any of that. We just have some nameless, faceless battler which just makes the situation seem like Yuuma being a whiny brat.
I'm probably in the minority in this case, but I'm definitely already enjoying the Try cast more than the S1 cast. S1 had a few characters I really liked, namely Aila, Reiji and Fellini. The rest were either just non-offensive tropes or characters that actively took away from my enjoyment of the show (Kirara). At this point, I really do like Fumina a whole lot. I think she's a really interesting character that I hope they don't spoil over the course of the season. Sekai feels like Reiji with a mech that actually fits his fighting style and the fact that Yuuma actually fights in the tournament unlike Sei, those two can have a credible rivalry. Their interactions are bog standard battle shonen rivalry, but I'm still having a lot of fun with them. It also helps that the show doesn't have the super happy try-hard Sei dragging it down.
Next week is a SD focused episode! Like that. Really hope they make SD kits a real part of the show this time outside of the Winning Gundam. It's a major part of GunPla, so it definitely deserves some focus. I also really hope they get away from the "SD kits are for kids and girls" thing they had in S1.
gundamkyoukai
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Tatsuya, Ral , Rinko, Fellini are better characters than anyone in TRY and all of them were introduce in the first 3 eps .
That is one of TRY problems characters just not as good that along with shipping and main characters interaction also not as good.
Fun episode.
Don't understand the complaints about the cast not being as fleshed out as the original's, these three are just as developed as Sei or Reiji were three episodes in if not more. The three-member dynamic and the fact that one of the protagonists is a girl who's an actual character and not either a hanger-on babymachine or a personality-absent puppet makes the cast more interesting and fun to watch than the Sei and Reiji were at this point imo.
Okay, but were Fellini, Rinko, etc. as of episode 3 better developed than any of Try's characters by this point? You can't compare 25 episodes of growth to just 3.
Don't understand the complaints about the cast not being as fleshed out as the original's, these three are just as developed as Sei or Reiji were three episodes in if not more. The three-member dynamic and the fact that one of the protagonists is a girl who's an actual character and not either a hanger-on babymachine or a personality-absent puppet makes the cast more interesting and fun to watch than the Sei and Reiji were at this point imo.
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Okay, but were Fellini, Rinko, etc. as of episode 3 better developed than any of Try's characters by this point? You can't compare 25 episodes of growth to just 3.
Shouta
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I think the show is doing fine. We only had two main characters to work with and only 1 single plotline to deal with in S1. This time around we have 3 protags, couple of points to address in the storyline (how they gather, etc), and possibly some dangling loose ends/questions about the past. S1 was 1v1, started fresh, and even omitted certain aspects to accelerate that progression.
This episode answered a few things already about the characters anyway. Fumina's background isn't touched upon other than her promise with Yuuma but it does show her incredibly strong leadership skills, strategic thinking, and her teamwork with Yuuma in this. We know Yuuma had his self confidence crushed in the past but still wanted to battle. He regretted not keeping his promise to Fumina the entire time. Sekai is well, Sekai lol
My only beef with the episode was that we didn't need to see Eri and Miyaga again but we'd lose out on the gag on that front. Also, didn't need to have them report to their club supervisor either. Could've skipped those two parts and gone straight to battling and worked in the character stuff there.
Gyanko is awesome though. I saw her on screen and and immediately "Brick House" started playing in my head, lol. She's way better than her brother. I also dug the two Rising Gundams that had the hair of their pilots. Her R-Gyagya was pretty sick too.
Fellini was one note in the first 3, only helping out Reiji. He didn't get awesome until later, IMO. and Rinko is only cool because of her design, lol
This episode answered a few things already about the characters anyway. Fumina's background isn't touched upon other than her promise with Yuuma but it does show her incredibly strong leadership skills, strategic thinking, and her teamwork with Yuuma in this. We know Yuuma had his self confidence crushed in the past but still wanted to battle. He regretted not keeping his promise to Fumina the entire time. Sekai is well, Sekai lol
My only beef with the episode was that we didn't need to see Eri and Miyaga again but we'd lose out on the gag on that front. Also, didn't need to have them report to their club supervisor either. Could've skipped those two parts and gone straight to battling and worked in the character stuff there.
Gyanko is awesome though. I saw her on screen and and immediately "Brick House" started playing in my head, lol. She's way better than her brother. I also dug the two Rising Gundams that had the hair of their pilots. Her R-Gyagya was pretty sick too.
Fellini was one note in the first 3, only helping out Reiji. He didn't get awesome until later, IMO. and Rinko is only cool because of her design, lol
gundamkyoukai
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If we are talking about sub characters yes and they were also going to be more important to the story .
Unless you think president or Vice president for model club going to matter .
To make matters worst every sub character so far has some sort of shipping in TRY.
Older women make everything better lol.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Good episode, animation quality was kind of all over the place though.
I do hope that Sekai's SUPER OVERPOWERED MOVE ENDING THE MATCH stuff gets throttled quick, I would also like to see more of a teamwork focus on fights.
Because we all know eventually he'll use an Erupting Burning Finger.
I do hope that Sekai's SUPER OVERPOWERED MOVE ENDING THE MATCH stuff gets throttled quick, I would also like to see more of a teamwork focus on fights.
Because we all know eventually he'll use an Erupting Burning Finger.
None of the three protags are as developed as Sei, though. Even by the end of episode one enough is in play to keep him moving forward, unlike our current cast. We see his passion for gunpla, his inferiority complex in regards to actually operating them, the continued losses that he's taken, the somewhat estranged relationship he has with his father. It's in rather stark contrast against that of Yuuma, who ... lost a single gunpla match and got his mind broken. And there's that promise with Fumina. And uh, he now likes Sekai's sister. Neither Fumina or Sekai are better off here.
I like Fumina but the fact that she gets bailed out at the end again really puts a damper on the whole leader-of-men thing, and at this point that's all she'll be good for, so to see even that stomped on is really disheartening. I'm not really bothered by Sekai pulling off bullshit moves - who cares - but leveraging that to avoid even a partial loss is bad. Would it have been so bad to just let her gunpla be destroyed, while still taking a win over the other team? It naturally sets up the trip next episode to gunpla garden, as well.
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That said I like Gyanko and I hope we see more of her. Totally okay with her being this season's Caroline, though I could do without her sudden crush on Sekai.
Shouta
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Fumina gets bailed out only because she gets put into a bad situation It's 3v1 with a teammate booted into the water and one out of sniping position. But she wasn't helpless in that situation. She lead them to the one point in the geography that Yuuma could land a sniper shot, managed to take out another opponent that got knocked off balance with her cannon and only had to be saved because the enemy leader went Itano Circus on her when she only had her hand gatling and her fire support just had a sniper rifle.
Sekai, sure. But Fumina has the most going on in these 3 episodes and arguably as much as Sei has in his first 3 episodes. Personal qualities are shown for her in addition to the problems her club has had that almost culminated in them being absorbed by another group. Then there's her estrangement from Yuuma and subsequent reconciling with him. It's a lot easier to get lost in it all with as many characters as there are being used consistently in Try. That's to be expected but looking at what points are being established for the characters, she's got a lot of them in just 3 eps.
Sekai, sure. But Fumina has the most going on in these 3 episodes and arguably as much as Sei has in his first 3 episodes. Personal qualities are shown for her in addition to the problems her club has had that almost culminated in them being absorbed by another group. Then there's her estrangement from Yuuma and subsequent reconciling with him. It's a lot easier to get lost in it all with as many characters as there are being used consistently in Try. That's to be expected but looking at what points are being established for the characters, she's got a lot of them in just 3 eps.
It's the fact she gets bailed out that's the problem. Her gunpla being wrecked in that last barrage has no bearing on whether the match is won or lost - because they've already won, although it had more to do with Sekai's plot-bending powers than her tactical acumen - and yet she's rescued anyways, by the character that ignored her orders in the first place. It rather undermines her authority to be subjected to such rescuing. And her authority as the leader of the club is the only thing she has, unless the SD kit puts her over the top elsewhere.
Dunno, I don't think they're there at all. We've seen that she likes gunpla, that her club is in danger because the story needs to validate creepers creeping on her, and there's the promise with Yuuma, which is flimsy, doesn't provide any motivation that her passion for gunpla already does, and exists more as a reason for Yuuma's character to exist than as any real source of development for her. She would enter the tournament anyways if she could, with or without the promise. And that's it for her. It's not much.
gundamkyoukai
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Also season 1 showed off the hobby and building aspect of gundam much better .
After 3 ep in season 1 we saw Sei repair his gundam , make \ add parts for it , see how he was thinking as builder while also explaining stuff .
EDIT before i forget it's also interesting how both Sekai and Reiji first match of gunpla battle was in the first ep .
But after 3 ep Reiji put in a lot of work to get better but for Sekai him just knowing martial arts allow him to win \help.
Guess that is the benefit of having a 3 person team but still seem like a cop out since he not even a team player in the match .
After 3 ep in season 1 we saw Sei repair his gundam , make \ add parts for it , see how he was thinking as builder while also explaining stuff .
EDIT before i forget it's also interesting how both Sekai and Reiji first match of gunpla battle was in the first ep .
But after 3 ep Reiji put in a lot of work to get better but for Sekai him just knowing martial arts allow him to win \help.
Guess that is the benefit of having a 3 person team but still seem like a cop out since he not even a team player in the match .
Episode 3
Maybe it's just because the plot is so much busier in this show, but it's weird how little we've seen so far of the passions that drive the Try Fighters to gunpla battle. Yuuma, the master builder, has pretty much never been seen building, or enjoying the act of building. Fumina, the Gundam fangirl, hasn't done all that much Gundam fangirling. Sekai's the best developed here, in that we've seen a lot of him fighting, but even he only seems to be fighting with gunpla because he can't join a martial arts club. In the original series, even Reiji by this point had found a worthy rival to drive him in Tatsuya.
That's not to say it's a bad show. Even if it comes at the cost of some out-of-battle animation, the fights remain exciting and action-packed, and they're aiming for the right sort of tone. It's good. But it's not great.
Maybe it's just because the plot is so much busier in this show, but it's weird how little we've seen so far of the passions that drive the Try Fighters to gunpla battle. Yuuma, the master builder, has pretty much never been seen building, or enjoying the act of building. Fumina, the Gundam fangirl, hasn't done all that much Gundam fangirling. Sekai's the best developed here, in that we've seen a lot of him fighting, but even he only seems to be fighting with gunpla because he can't join a martial arts club. In the original series, even Reiji by this point had found a worthy rival to drive him in Tatsuya.
That's not to say it's a bad show. Even if it comes at the cost of some out-of-battle animation, the fights remain exciting and action-packed, and they're aiming for the right sort of tone. It's good. But it's not great.
Shouta
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I don't agree. It just seems silly to take issue with the fact that she gets help at the last second when she does as much as possible to overcome the entire situation with her quick thinking and her skill. It's underplaying her achievements within the episode all for a single point, a somewhat justifiable asspull considering the situation. If Sekai was super obedient in the match and followed her commands, then they'd be breaking his character as we know him thus far and it would be weird for the development he's bound to get down the line.
And seriously, that win was Sekai? Come on, he didn't hit any of the Rising Gundams in that fight at all. He may have saved Fumina's machine but he wasn't the reason they won that fight at all. It was Fumina that lead them to a spot where Yuuma could pick one off and it was her quick thinking that picked off the other Rising after Sekai surprised it by coming out of the water with a Shoryuken.
Her club was going to be in danger anyway because the school didn't see the point in having two clubs doing similar activities. Miyaga used that to be a creeper sure, but they could have easily used someone not creepy and it'd still be a valid thing. Her promise with Yuuma doesn't provide motivation for her passion for gunpla but it does explain her relationship with him and provides a bit of insight into her personality.
Oh, I forgot that this match was also her revenge match with Gyanko, was it not? They knocked her and the club out in the previous year's tournament, no?
Getting helped at the last moment is bad, because it undermines all the things she does prior to that moment. The fact she's saved at all bothers me. Being destroyed, but winning the match, would be the preferable outcome.
As for who won the fight, take out Sekai and it's a 2v2 with one side being a damaged suit and a sniper who can't set up his own shots. They've basically lost at that point. Gyanko alone probably knocks out both, especially since - as we saw - Fumina can't deal with the missile barrage. And the only reason Fumina takes out the other Rising is because Sekai powered up after a huge miscalculation on his part.
The only reason against such a merger is because Miyaga is a creeper, though. Like it wouldn't be a plot point at all and Fumina would look wholly unreasonable for being against it, if the president of the other club wasn't such a creep. As for her promise with Yuuma, I don't think it's particularly insightful. She acts the same way to anyone who doesn't want to molest her. The promise being so arbitrary a thing doesn't help, either. Like we know there was a promise and we see them together in the OP as children, so thus, they're together as friends again, but there's nothing within the show to explain such a resolution. Yuuma has more reason to be around Sekai than he is with Fumina at this point.
I don't want to downplay the Gyanko thing, but it's not even as significant as China's relationship to Caroline. The whole revenge angle shifted now to Gyanko crushing on Sekai instead. What rivalry there was has now turned into a romantic gag.
you see yuuma building a deathscythe in the plamo club very briefly iirc lol
Are you kidding? Nearly every character in the first season was paired up with someone, almost of all of which was completely pointless to the story.
donkey show
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Mega Shiki. Apparently the pilot is from
the Gunpla Shingyo School.
Also, asking again about this...
donkey show said:Can you moonspeak folk translate these bits for me from the Build Burning manual?
gundamkyoukai
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After how long ?
How much shipping was done in first 3 ep of season one .
China and Sei and that was done much better also .
In first 3 ep of TRY we had the Miyaga creeping on Fumina .
Yuuma liking Sekai sister along with Gyanko now falling for Sekai .
Hell we have sub characters who not going matter to the story with shipping at least in season 1 the shipping was done to characters that going to matter
ColossalLazy
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But what about the Ral and Rinko shipping?
gundamkyoukai
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Well you can add that if you want but i saw that as the older looking character being a pervert \ harmless troupe .
Then i also will add Sekai and Fumina with them falling on top each other which is a classic anime shipping move.
Pureauthor
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If you guys took one look at the Build Burning and didn't think that this season was going to be filled with punching, kicking, and general martial arts tropes then I don't know what to say.
Ultimadrago
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I liked Kaoruko at least (sans the lame "saved by Sekei and now crushes on him" bit).
As with last week, battle and all: Decent, but nothing more.
Truly.
PaulExcellent
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Gyanko is best girl already.
Really digging this show so far, but I hope they delve into the whole "teamwork" aspect
rather than just doing whatever and expecting it all to work. Still, it's the third chapter. There's enough time.
Also, the custom models this season are INSAAAAAAAAAANE. I want them. >.>
Really digging this show so far, but I hope they delve into the whole "teamwork" aspect
rather than just doing whatever and expecting it all to work. Still, it's the third chapter. There's enough time.
Also, the custom models this season are INSAAAAAAAAAANE. I want them. >.>
donkey show
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Ultimadrago
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Aye.
donkey show
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Hah, chotto I'm surprised they're actually making a kit of the Mock
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