Gundam Build Fighters Try |OT| Once Again, Please Set Your GP Base

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I think it's a special property of SD that they can ignore conservation of mass.
 
Principate said:
The laws of conservation of mass deem no (at least not the way Star Winning does it).
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That's nonsense. We already figured out the transformation since it was first shown. The parts are all in the backpack. It's totally physically possible.

What doesn't work is the scale for the 3-headed-dragon thing. It's nonsense because it got HUGE after the transformation, but the base base is made out of... two SD bodies, which should be tiny. Somehow it just grew in size.
 
We'll finally see Sekai's master, Domon Kasshu!
 
duckroll said:
That's nonsense. We already figured out the transformation since it was first shown. The parts are all in the backpack. It's totally physically possible.

What doesn't work is the scale for the 3-headed-dragon thing. It's nonsense because it got HUGE after the transformation, but the base base is made out of... two SD bodies, which should be tiny. Somehow it just grew in size.
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No it doesn't I'm sorry look at the dimensions for the SD Gundam and look at the Dimensions for the Real and you'll see it doesn't line up even if you assume the whole thing was pretty much hollow. It's possible to create a Real from an SD but not the way it Fumina does it.
 
Principate said:
No it doesn't I'm sorry look at the dimensions for the SD Gundam and look at the Dimensions for the Real and you'll see it doesn't line up even if you assume the whole thing was pretty much hollow. It's possible to create a Real from an SD but the way it Fumina does it.
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Hollow? What are you talking about? The Real is just created by extending the arms and the legs with the backpack parts. The backpack contains two arm extensions and two leg extensions, and is about the size of the entire SD body itself even when folded up. The SD head comes off, with a smaller Real sized head inside, and the SD Head folds up to create the new smaller backpack.
 
Principate said:
No it doesn't I'm sorry look at the dimensions for the SD Gundam and look at the Dimensions for the Real and you'll see it doesn't line up even if you assume the whole thing was pretty much hollow. It's possible to create a Real from an SD but not the way it Fumina does it.
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I don't understand why you would think that. It makes perfect sense to me. There's even a model kit coming out

duckroll said:
Hollow? What are you talking about? The Real is just created by extending the arms and the legs with the backpack parts. The backpack contains two arm extensions and two leg extensions, and is about the size of the entire SD body itself even when folded up. The SD head comes off, with a smaller Real sized head inside, and the SD Head folds up to create the new smaller backpack.
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Also, the waist piece is in the backpack as well.
 
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Dat winning beam [cringe]
 
I think it's more ridiculous that Fumina can fit funnels and bits into her legs.

And these parts can also combine with guns to increase their output.

And they combine with each other to turn into laser shurikens.

And they can output a shield like Unicorn or Mercurius
 
Haly said:
I think it's more ridiculous that Fumina can fit funnels and bits into her legs.

And these parts can also combine with guns to increase their output.
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Each of the bits has a GN drive in it, so it kind of makes sense in an OP bullshit sort of way

Now I REAALLY want an MG treatment of Star Winning
 
So I highly doubt we are going to see Sei this season. Already going onto episode 19 next week.. I think season 3 is pretty much all but confirmed at this point. World tournament next season? Just my guess but I think Sei is the third member of team Meijin with Lady and Yuki (based on Yuki's comments about China helping him).

Well at least we know what Sei thinks about Sekai using the Build Burning. Find it funny that he keeps a complete Build Burning in a expensive looking case with foam inserts yets stuffs the other one inside a Dom inside a trophy at his old school...

It took the Try Fighters no effort to destroy the castle once they were outside... why couldn't they have just done that in the beginning! I try to just go with the stories they write but just didn't like that castle bit. Or SD team...
 
Divvy said:
I don't understand why you would think that. It makes perfect sense to me. There's even a model kit coming out



Also, the waist piece is in the backpack as well.
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Yes I saw that, which proves my point, The comparative dimensions aren't the same especially with the backpack real mode has.

There's also a fully functional SD Gundam in there which makes it pretty obvious your not suppose believe it's normal logically possible transformation.
 
Divvy said:
Each of the bits has a GN drive in it, so it kind of makes sense in an OP bullshit sort of way

Now I REAALLY want an MG treatment of Star Winning
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I think only the legs are bits? She calls the stabby things funnels.
 
Wubby said:
It took the Try Fighters no effort to destroy the castle once they were outside... why couldn't they have just done that in the beginning! I try to just go with the stories they write but just didn't like that castle bit. Or SD team...
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Yeah the castle thing was so dumb.
 
Divvy said:
I'm curious, what parts don't match?
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The dimensions within the anime itself I could do the comparative dimensions analysis but it should be obvious even to you that wining gundam isn't near half the height of real mode in the anime. The back transformation itself has pretty large internal inconsistencies.
 
Principate said:
Yes I saw that, which proves my point, The comparative dimensions aren't the same especially with the backpack real mode has..
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You're wrong. The backpack for the Real mode is JUST the SD head of the Star Winning. It's pretty huge. Lemme show you the comparison between the Winning Gundam's SD head transformed into the plane/backpack, and the 1/144 RG Exia:

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Principate said:
The dimensions within the anime itself I could do the comparative dimensions analysis but it should be obvious even to you that wining gundam isn't near half the height of real mode in the anime.
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That's more attributed to the animators being really bad at maintaining a consistent scale for the Winning.

Some scenes it's the right size:

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But yeah, sometimes you'll have scenes where it's puny:

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duckroll said:
You're wrong. The backpack for the Real mode is JUST the SD head of the Star Winning. It's pretty huge. Lemme show you the comparison between the Winning Gundam's SD head transformed into the plane/backpack, and the 1/144 RG Exia:

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Again I'm talking about the anime itself and that's the transformed anyway I'm talking about the standard size. You could compare the size of real Modes back to that and it come off quite favourably.

So yes you could attribute to the animators depth dimensions what, have you which is what I'm referring to in the first place but within the episode itself the conservation of mass has major issues with that transformation. I mean she has a fully functional arm after an explosion from Real mode into SD mode.

Edit: Notice how the normal size is when they're all in models whereas actually battling the sizes go wonky, (or rather change) That's parts where my issue is with.
 
Principate said:
Again I'm talking about the anime itself and that's the transformed anyway I'm talking about the standard size. You could compare the size of real Modes back to that and it come off quite favourably.
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This is what Winning's head looks like when attached to its back:

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This is what Star Winning's head looks like in the anime when attached to its back:

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It looks pretty much the same! I think you're underestimating how big SD parts are and how they can look very different when unfolded and tweaked a little. That's part of what makes them so fun to build and play with when the kit has interesting gimmicks designed in it.
 
Anyways, how cool would it be to have an MG winning? Seriously.

Imagine that internal skeleton, and LEDs for all the GN drives.

*drools*
 
duckroll said:
This is what Winning's head looks like when attached to its back:

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This is what Star Winning's head looks like in the anime when attached to its back:

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It looks pretty much the same! I think you're underestimating how big SD parts are and how they can look very different when unfolded and tweaked a little. That's part of what makes them so fun to build and play with when the kit has interesting gimmicks designed in it.
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Except one is SD mode whereas the other is not (the width and height bulk really isn't there in battle mode) that's what I mean by the dimensions, that's ignoring the obvious difference perspective would play on it.
 
Principate said:
Except one is SD mode whereas the other is not (the width and height bulk really isn't there in battle mode) that's what I mean by the dimensions, that's ignoring the obvious difference perspective would play on it.
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What do you mean? The torso width is the same in both modes. The height increase is due to the waist being tucked into the backpack in SD mode, and rotating or attaching to the torso in real mode.
 
Divvy said:
Anyways, how cool would it be to have an MG winning? Seriously.

Imagine that internal skeleton, and LEDs for all the GN drives.

*drools*
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MG is 1/100 though. The scale difference would ruin the SD scaling, because SD kits are about 1/2 the height of HG kits (instead of being scaled to the dimensions of a supposed "real" robot). It would result in a nice looking Real Mode, but the SD Mode would be oversized.

Principate said:
Except one is SD mode whereas the other is not (the width and height bulk really isn't there in battle made that's what I mean by the dimensions, that's ignoring the obvious difference perspective would play on it.
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I really don't understand what you're saying. The body frame for the SD Mode and the Real Mode are exactly the same. It's the same body. The bodies of SD kits are about the same width as the bodies of HG kits. They're just a little bulkier because they're made up of less parts due to the cost. The size difference for SD is entirely in the height, not in the width.
 
So basically the past few episodes of the show have been making me anxious for amiami to ship my stuff. I need to build all of this right away.

Tryon-3 and Real Star Winning have been making me squeal like a little girl.

Edit: Also howdy BuildFightersGAF. Nice to finally notice this thread!
 
duckroll said:
MG is 1/100 though. The scale difference would ruin the SD scaling, because SD kits are about 1/2 the height of HG kits (instead of being scaled to the dimensions of a supposed "real" robot). It would result in a nice looking Real Mode, but the SD Mode would be oversized.
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I don't care about that rmuch. It would be the right scale with my other 1/100 kits especially if they release an MG Lightning. I would probably buy the Burning as well just to complete the set, but I don't care so much about that model.
 
Divvy said:
What do you mean? The torso width is the same in both modes. The height increase is due to the waist being tucked into the backpack in SD mode, and rotating or attaching to the torso in real mode.
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Yes the torso width is the roughly the same in both modes as is the depth, with the SD being potentially smaller and the average height of the back pack and entire SD is generally quite small (animation error what have you). That missing depth and height from the back etc is what I mean by the dimensions and that the mass probably isn't conserved based on the animes visuals.
 
Divvy said:
I don't care about that rmuch. It would be the right scale with my other 1/100 kits especially if they release an MG Lightning. I would probably buy the Burning as well just to complete the set, but I don't care so much about that model.
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Sure, but Bandai cares when making some of these decisions! Scale and quality of build for each of the individual lines are very important to them, which is why they would make a new RE-100 line to release a 1/100 Ninghtingale, since they can't justify the cost of a MG quality kit. I think if they consider releasing a more advanced Star Winning, it will probably be under some other label, or no label at all. So it's possible, but just not a MG.
 
duckroll said:
MG is 1/100 though. The scale difference would ruin the SD scaling, because SD kits are about 1/2 the height of HG kits (instead of being scaled to the dimensions of a supposed "real" robot). It would result in a nice looking Real Mode, but the SD Mode would be oversized.



I really don't understand what you're saying. The body frame for the SD Mode and the Real Mode are exactly the same. It's the same body. The bodies of SD kits are about the same width as the bodies of HG kits. They're just a little bulkier because they're made up of less parts due to the cost. The size difference for SD is entirely in the height, not in the width.
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I'm not talking about the kits truth be told I've never even seen these kits prior to the conservation, I'm talking about the transformation in the anime, the dimensions of the SD gundam before the transformation and the dimensions of the real mode afterwards using comparative scales .

The kits can and will be consistent with conservation of mass (because it obviously has to), I don't think the anime was.
 
duckroll said:
Sure, but Bandai cares when making some of these decisions! Scale and quality of build for each of the individual lines are very important to them, which is why they would make a new RE-100 line to release a 1/100 Ninghtingale, since they can't justify the cost of a MG quality kit. I think if they consider releasing a more advanced Star Winning, it will probably be under some other label, or no label at all. So it's possible, but just not a MG.
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Why you crush my dreams?!
 
Principate said:
I'm not talking about the kits truth be told I've never even seen these kits prior to the conservation, I'm talking about the transformation in the anime, the dimensions of the SD gundam before the transformation and the dimensions of the real mode afterwards using comparative scales .

The kits can and will be consistent with conservation of mass (because it obviously has to), I don't think the anime was.
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The kits and the anime are all using the same base designs and scales. It's actually something they plan out and design beforehand. The scale works, the proportions are there. The SD size just isn't as small as you think it is. By and large the way the show presents the scales are accurate, and Star Winning is not a tiny mech, it's just shorter than the other two, but it's pretty fat and it's definitely not smaller in width. Obviously there will be some scenes here and there where the scale isn't completely consistent, because this hand drawn animation, but that doesn't mean the logic behind the transformation defies the conservation of mass.

This is a show about plastic model kits fighting, if the actual plastic model kits support a transformation in the exact same way as shown in the show, then clearly it works in terms of mass. :P

Edit: The official designs show very clearly how the mass is taken into account: http://gundam-bf.net/mechanics/21/

The waist is also a very clever gimmick because the short armor skirts are in the front when it's in SD, and when it goes Real, the waist is simply turned around so the longer armor skirts from the back show on the front instead.
 
Great episode. Just makes me more hype for the Star Winning Gundam I ordered.

Glad I didn't get Winning Gundam, its old and busted status now.
 
Seishin said:
Wow.

Battle aside, lots of backstory and stuff, especially for Build Burning.

Regarding Sekai's Teacher,
I wonder if it really is Reiji wearing a Domon costume. If even Sei points out that they have similar fighting styles.

Speaking of, Jun-nii is kind of a jerk.
Master didn't teach me the secret technique that Sekai learned on his own so I'm going to have my gang beat up Sekai's friend and steal his spare parts.

Also, Winning Beam best attack.
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Sei said Sekai and Reiji have the same battle tactics (i.e. rush in and go nuts, punch shit) just to be clear. It would be hilarious of Reiji ended up being Sekai's master but there's a chance he isn't either. Or he's actually Sekai's dad, lol. Came back to their world in the past or some crazy junk, lol.

Also, Real Mode Star Winning works perfectly in concept but there are definitely a few animation/drawing differences, particularly in the body of the SD, that needs to be fixed to make it look right.
 
duckroll said:
What doesn't work is the scale for the 3-headed-dragon thing. It's nonsense because it got HUGE after the transformation, but the base base is made out of... two SD bodies, which should be tiny. Somehow it just grew in size.
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And on top of that it just looked really goofy in a number of cuts (especially those teeth).
Haly said:
I think it's more ridiculous that Fumina can fit funnels and bits into her legs.

And these parts can also combine with guns to increase their output.

And they combine with each other to turn into laser shurikens.

And they can output a shield like Unicorn or Mercurius
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So what you're trying to say is that Fumina is a genius builder?
 
If you didn't win the artistic gunpla competition you ain't shit.

Meanwhile, Yuuma has... a backpack. Like we haven't seen enough of those in S1.
 
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