Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn - Part 4 [Available To Watch]

According to Halopedia (or was it Halo Nation?), John-117 did NOT have the rank of Master Chief at that time. Dunno if that's true, but if it is, the "Call me Master Chief" line is terrible on all levels. Lame, cheesy, fiction breaking.

Episode was fine apart from that, not as good as the Halo 3 Blomkamp shorts but still ok.
 
scar tissue said:
According to Halopedia (or was it Halo Nation?), John-117 did NOT have the rank of Master Chief at that time. Dunno if that's true, but if it is, the "Call me Master Chief" line is terrible on all levels. Lame, cheesy, fiction breaking.

Episode was fine apart from that, not as good as the Halo 3 Blomkamp shorts but still ok.
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He didn't have that rank or that armor. Just let it go and enjoy the decent action.
 
Kinyou said:
Forward onto Ghetto
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Looking back at Fall of Reach John did have the title of Master Chief when he first encountered the Covenant (After picking up the MJOLNIR armor) so Forward Unto Dawn is correct about that.

Only big inconsistency so far is that the Spartans didn't encounter hunters until 2552 on Cote D'Azur which is 20-25 years after FUD.
 
I thought it was a good ep, but as a halo nerd I kinda of wish they didn't have the Chief as the guy who saves them. I suppose it ties into why Lasky knows him in Halo 4 (only guessing from the first episode where it shows adult Lasky commanding the Infinity). It could have been one of the other Spartans, and if they wanted to throw in the 117 reference they could have had MC on the radio reporting they had secured some survivors. Then you don't even have to worry about the delivery of "I'm the Master Chief" lines ;)

I did like that MC didn't appear to have shields, which IIRC they don't get until some time later after they get the tech from some Jackles.

AzerPhire said:
Only big inconsistency so far is that the Spartans didn't encounter hunters until 2552 on Cote D'Azur which is 20-25 years after FUD.
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Where did they encounter hunters in the ep? I don't remember them being in there, I should look again.
 
Oracle Dragon said:
I thought it was a good ep, but as a halo nerd I kinda of wish they didn't have the Chief as the guy who saves them. I suppose it ties into why Lasky knows him in Halo 4 (only guessing from the first episode where it shows adult Lasky commanding the Infinity). It could have been one of the other Spartans, and if they wanted to throw in the 117 reference they could have had MC on the radio reporting they had secured some survivors. Then you don't even have to worry about the delivery of "I'm the Master Chief" lines ;)

I did like that MC didn't appear to have shields, which IIRC they don't get until some time later after they get the tech from some Jackles.



Where did they encounter hunters in the ep? I don't remember them being in there, I should look again.
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Keep watching.
 
The Master Chief rank thing was a headscratcher for me too, even though I'm not read up on the Halo-verse.

Edit: According to Halo-pedia, which I've just discovered, Sgt. Johnson is supposed to be pushing 70 when he bites the dust! The continuity makes the Star Wars EU look sensible.
 
Guerrillas in the Mist said:
The Master Chief rank thing was a headscratcher for me too, even though I'm not read up on the Halo-verse.

Edit: According to Halo-pedia, which I've just discovered, Sgt. Johnson is supposed to be pushing 70 when he bites the dust! The continuity makes the Star Wars EU look sensible.
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Firstly sgt Johnson looks pretty old when he eats it, secondly in a universe of extended cryosleep and FTL travel, age is literally relative.
 
Guerrillas in the Mist said:
The Master Chief rank thing was a headscratcher for me too, even though I'm not read up on the Halo-verse.

Edit: According to Halo-pedia, which I've just discovered, Sgt. Johnson is supposed to be pushing 70 when he bites the dust! The continuity makes the Star Wars EU look sensible.
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It's nearly 500 years in the future. Age is not only relative(like Stinkles said), but you've also got a ton of advances in medical technology. I can't remember where, exactly, but I think in one of the books they state that people live to something like 120-150 years sometimes.

Look at Parangosky, who is what? 93 in the Kilo 5 trilogy? She's pushing it, obviously, but that would probably be like a 65-70 year old dude leading the military now, which is probably up there in age. In that case, Johnson's age in Halo-time would probably be like a 45 year old Sergeant Major in our time. It's not entirely out of the question, just unlikely.
 
Guerrillas in the Mist said:
The Master Chief rank thing was a headscratcher for me too, even though I'm not read up on the Halo-verse.

Edit: According to Halo-pedia, which I've just discovered, Sgt. Johnson is supposed to be pushing 70 when he bites the dust! The continuity makes the Star Wars EU look sensible.
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Advanced ages in fiction taking place in the future doesn't bother me at all. Consider that the average life expectancy in the 18th century was 35 years old and this takes place 500 years from now. In the grand scale of things where FTL is okay, I will give hale 70 year olds a pass.
 
We are dealing with people that has spent the better part of 20 years in frozen down in transit between one battlefield to another.

It might have been 70+ years since Johnson was born, but he probably spent a rather large portion of the last few years on ice.

being in his late fifties seems more accurate.
 
Here is the exact quote from Fall of Reach from the year 2525:

The room was inhabited. An alien creature stood a meter and half tall, a biped. Its knobby, scaled skin was a sickly, mottled yellow; purple and yellow fins ran along the crest of its skull and its forearms. Glittering, bulbous eyes protruded from skull-like hollows in the alien’s elongated head.

The Master Chief had read the UNSC’s first contact scenarios— they called for cautious attempts at communication. He couldn’t imagine communicating with something like this  … thing. It reminded him of the carrion birds on Reach— vicious and unclean.

Nylund, Eric (2010-08-03). Halo: The Fall of Reach (pp. 125-126). Macmillan. Kindle Edition.
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AzerPhire said:
Looking back at Fall of Reach John did have the title of Master Chief when he first encountered the Covenant (After picking up the MJOLNIR armor) so Forward Unto Dawn is correct about that.

Only big inconsistency so far is that the Spartans didn't encounter hunters until 2552 on Cote D'Azur which is 20-25 years after FUD.
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Well according to tFoR and First strike, humans didn't encounter the Elites and Brutes until 2552. This has now been retconned so many times in the other books that I don't think many people would actually care about it.
 
I know this has been mentioned before but I forgot. How long is the time between FUD and Halo 4? I'm asking due to Lasky looking quite different (more chunkier) in the game than he does in the movie.
 
Some great fan moments in episode 4: MC using the pistol with incredible accuracy, Chyler finding the carbine, the needler effects, MC jumping on the warthog's gunner position. Greatly enjoyed this.
 
BrokenSymmetry said:
Some great fan moments in episode 4: MC using the pistol with incredible accuracy, Chyler finding the carbine, the needler effects, MC jumping on the warthog's gunner position. Greatly enjoyed this.
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Favorite parts were all with the elite. He looks so great. The cloak, the blade I can't imagine him being better represented.
 
My favorite shot was when the elite got the sword right up close to Lasky. The lighting from the blade and his eyes was pretty neat.
 
This whole thing about the "Master Chief" line is pointless.

Did the writers, director and actors sense it was a terrible line? Yeah, it was a terrible line with equally poor timing and delivery, but it HAD to be in there.

Why? Well, despite the warm feeling we get from watching it, FUD is designed to push games. What games? Halo games.

Microsoft not having him say "Call me Master Chief" would be the equivalent of Nintendo making a Mario Bros. movie and having Mario say "Call me the Plumber".

Halo is a brand, and the Master Chief is its Mario.
 
Frankie, any reason the Carbine was the Halo 3 model and not the Halo 4 model? Are they both technically two different guns in the universe?


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I'm just curious if the new Carbine is meant to be a more modern design, or if its art wasn't done in time for FUD.

Danis said:
This whole thing about the "Master Chief" line is pointless.

Did the writers, director and actors sense it was a terrible line? Yeah, it was a terrible line with equally poor timing and delivery, but it HAD to be in there.

Why? Well, despite the warm feeling we get from watching it, FUD is designed to push games. What games? Halo games.

Microsoft not having him say "Call me Master Chief" would be the equivalent of Nintendo making a Mario Bros. movie and having Mario say "Call me the Plumber".

Halo is a brand, and the Master Chief is its Mario.
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Even so, I think it could have been a better delivered line.
 
As somebody who has played Halo religiously since CE, I've really enjoyed this series. I'm not read-up on the Halo lore to be fair though. I marked out at the Master Chief appearance. I'm really looking forward to this last episode. While there are some who call Chief's lines cheesy, they weren't to this particular fan of the series.
 
Do these videos make you want to purchase the Halo Books?
I feel the need to purchase the Halo books. Surprising good stuff, feels like it could be a hit series on AMC or something.

Where do I start with the Halo novels?
 
Acrylic7 said:
Do these videos make you want to purchase the Halo Books?
I feel the need to purchase the Halo books. Surprising good stuff, feels like it could be a hit series on AMC or something.

Where do I start with the Halo novels?
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The Fall of Reach is basically the foundation of all the later Halo fiction, so I'd start there. The Flood is mostly just a novelization of the first game, so I'd skip that. First Strike takes place immediately after Halo 1 and leads nicely into 2, as well as Ghosts of Onyx, which is followed by Gladdlands, followed by The Thursday War, which leads into Halo 4. That's the simplest path from the books to the games, but Contact Harvest is also good, and explains the beginning of the Covenant War, and goes into cool stuff about the Covenant and AIs.

Of course, there's also the Forerunner trilogy (Cryptum and Primordium are already out, the last book, Silentium comes out next year) which is very relevant to the upcoming game trilogy. There's also Halo: Evolutions, which is a book of short stories around the universe by various authors, so if you want to test the waters a bit that's a good place to start too.

There's kind of a lot there, and it can seem intimidating, but keep in mind that none of it is essential to the games' stories. The games and books tie into each other a fair amount, though, and you will get more out of each for reading/playing the other.

Have fun!
 
Acrylic7 said:
Do these videos make you want to purchase the Halo Books?
I feel the need to purchase the Halo books. Surprising good stuff, feels like it could be a hit series on AMC or something.

Where do I start with the Halo novels?
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Fall of Reach is a great entry point IMO. It was the first novel released and really gives a good background to the franchise, and has a great story on top of that.
 
Acrylic7 said:
Do these videos make you want to purchase the Halo Books?
I feel the need to purchase the Halo books. Surprising good stuff, feels like it could be a hit series on AMC or something.

Where do I start with the Halo novels?
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Fall of Reach is basically the foundation for the series lore.

The state of the galaxy leading into Halo 4 is established in the two newest books, Glasslands and Thursday War, which are semi-continuations of the story started in Ghosts of Onyx.

Also essential to the Halo 4 story are Cryptum and Primordium, which cover the ancient history of the Halo universe (and the tag for Halo 4 is "an ancient evil awakens", so you do the math)

The remaining books, First Strike, Cole Protocol and Contact Harvest are not essential to understanding Halo's lore but expand upon some important events.

I recommend reading the books in the order I listed them, except for Ghosts of Onyx immediately before Glasslands. That's pretty much the order of their relevance to Halo 4. The missing book is The Flood, which is just a literal novelization of Halo CE, and not a very good one at that.
 
Should've put more corny dialogue

"What are we going to do now Chief?

"Finish this fight"

Cue Halo theme song and 8 minutes of Chief beating the shit out of Elites, while the cadets watch in awe.
 
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