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Halo |OT 21| Battle is the Great Redeemer | LIVE. DIE. RESPAWN.
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Week 3 Slayer (AR and BR starts)
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Poodlestrike
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Halo |OT22| We don't hate Halo... 5?
Best of both worlds. Looking forward to Strongholds as well, been itching for some Objective-y goodness.
Best of both worlds. Looking forward to Strongholds as well, been itching for some Objective-y goodness.
I don't get what you're trying to say though Funk. The magnum existed in a game without those rifles. With Halo 2 and Halo 3 onwards, the BR replaced the Magnum as the all purpose utility weapon. If gunplay wasn't exciting enough, it had less to do with the weapon, and more to do with the fact movement and strafe speed had declined and that aim assist was higher than normal. But even then, I functionally don't notice any difference between having pistol battles in CE, or BR battles in Halo 2 and Halo 3, or DMR battles in Reach.
Maybe I'm just not understanding what the exact issue is here?
Regret Upon Approval
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I don't mind BR's if they are less effective at long ranges.
Like in Halo 3, while balance in other areas may be debatable, at range the spread+travel time made it difficult to try and essentially snipe with the BR.
You could mess with a sniper, but spawning in the open wasn't awful since people far away had to be real good to kill you from a mile away. Giving you a chance to get to cover or a better position to fight back.
Update on the Poll. Shooting for 150 votes now.
http://strawpoll.me/3339312
http://strawpoll.me/3339316
Thruster is by far the most liked. Looks like they did good on that one.
Sprint and ADS are in the running for least wanted. Sprint has quite a bunch of vocal detractors, yet ADS is also not well received but doesn't seem to accumulate as much conversation.
Also, tweetered it at a bunch of 343i folks.
Like in Halo 3, while balance in other areas may be debatable, at range the spread+travel time made it difficult to try and essentially snipe with the BR.
You could mess with a sniper, but spawning in the open wasn't awful since people far away had to be real good to kill you from a mile away. Giving you a chance to get to cover or a better position to fight back.
Update on the Poll. Shooting for 150 votes now.
http://strawpoll.me/3339312
http://strawpoll.me/3339316
Thruster is by far the most liked. Looks like they did good on that one.
Sprint and ADS are in the running for least wanted. Sprint has quite a bunch of vocal detractors, yet ADS is also not well received but doesn't seem to accumulate as much conversation.
Also, tweetered it at a bunch of 343i folks.
Magnum is a 5sk with middle range. I've gotten many 5sk's with it. Test it on an AFK, you'll see.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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I think what you're forgetting are the many years of people despising the BR because it's a burst fire weapon with spread. Gameplay not being exciting enough has a lot to do with the BR being a boring weapon imho. This isn't a war of BR vs AR, it's a war of BR vs single shot utility weapon, and that's where the discussion falls apart a lot of the time, when people argue BR vs AR.
Single shot >
Nope.
Have not tested only landing headshots though.
I didn't record it but I did it. If it happens again I'll try and record. It may have been all headshots but it shouldn't matter since headshots are moot until shields are down unless it's a sniper.
Maybe it's a lag issue.
VisceralBowl
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nothing new in that vid
Poodlestrike
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You can tell you're not getting what they consider to be the "perfect" kill because you didn't get the Purrfect medal. So clearly shielded headshots count for something.
I said it above though. I agree, I don't like BR much either. Always preferred DMR when it was introduced. Seeing as how they are already going willy nilly with changes, completely removing the SPNKr, now would have been the perfect time to reconcile BR and DMR into a new rifle. Maybe one that could do actions at once. Have a slightly faster rate of fire and burst fire/spread mimicking the BR, while moving to single shot fire gives you a bit more accuracy at distance, but is slower to fire etc.
Regret Upon Approval
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So... Basically the Lightrifle then, maybe moreso H4's?
Prinz Eugn
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Nope. For most people I think the larger question is precision utility vs non-precision starts. Single-shot vs BR is a secondary argument of how to implement a headshot utility weapon.
As for that, single shot is cool with me, but getting any decent headshot weapon off spawn absolutely trumps the exact implementation.
NobleGundam
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Halo |OT22| Ground Pounded & Donged On
Yeah something like the lightrifle. That's what I was thinking about. But rather than have it differentiated based on scoped vs hip fire, I just meant have the rifle be both single shot and burst fire, and the player actively switches it based as he sees fit. This would add a bit more dynamism to the game play and gunplay, but some might not like it. Then again, they play so similarly, it would just be easier to remove one rifle and keep one.
VisceralBowl
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Poodlestrike
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Halo |OT22| Thruster?!? I Barely Know 'er!
GringoSuave89
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Poodlestrike
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Always one-upping me PoodleDoodle.
Was looking for "dancing poodle" for a response GIF. Too good to not post.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Has anyone received a Perfect medal with the Magnum? If so, RECEIPTS.
Yup, they could have done that but they didn't, and I doubt they will at this point. What we aren't going to get are DMR starts, so the only thing we can hope for is changing the Magnum if you want a single shot weapon to spawn with. I see no point in supporting BR starts because that's probably what's going to happen anyway, and it definitely will if they don't buff the Magnum.
I truly believe most would be happy with Magnum/AR starts if they made it more effective. Redundancy? The sandbox is already redundant, we've had that discussion many times before (people in this thread). It's just a matter of not adding anymore redundant weapons to what already exists imo.
You really think so? I think when people say AR starts they're just lumping the Magnum in with it, hoping that it'll be effective enough to destroy people with if the player is skilled but still having a reason to replace with weapons on the map. I think the BR can exist in CE's sandbox because it's easier to use since you can more consistently pull off 4-5sk's with it, not to mention the benefit of burst fire against unshielded enemies, however for some reason people think it's impossible for the devs to consider an effective Magnum in future sandboxes because reasons. They can balance the game and make weapons as unique as they want, they just need to be creative.
Of course, if 343 is not willing to budge on buffing the Magnum then the obvious answer is yes, BR starts. That's not what I'm going to fight for though and don't want to give up hope for an effective Magnum until they explain what they're trying to do with it.
GringoSuave89
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Sadly, I agree. I want AR/Magnum starts, but after the one day honeymoon period, the Magnum is clearly underpowered. Buff it, and we're in business. But without a strong precision start, the game is just an uphill battle.
CreateNowSleepLater
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Halo |OT 22| Stop running and aim down sites to find Halo
Is this post parody?
It has to be intentional to protect all that DLC revenue. If you make the maps bland and ugly and kill depth perception on them, it makes DLC maps stand out more and seem more worth purchasing.
Countless other games from even decades ago have managed to make map editors that produce maps that are more than a flat sea of grey. Even with 343i's blatant incompetence, there's no way they aren't capable of making Forge more aesthetically diverse and pleasing. It simply has to be an intentional limitation.
Also: Halo |OT22| Purchase of Regret
Poodlestrike
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You really are going for that Ragnarok 2.0 position, huh?
Not really. I just don't know how else to describe a company responsible for a game that's miserably broken two months and lord knows how many patches after launch and actually has new problems as a result of sloppy patching.
If I shipped broken code to a customer at my job and then failed to fix it eight or nine times, I'd be told to find a new job.
Sounds like the right word to me.
Poodlestrike
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but they're not wholly responsible. There's something on the order of 7 studios who were working on this thing, and pressure to get it out the door in time for the holidays. They worked through Thanksgiving and all of December to try and fix it.
Is the state it shipped in acceptable? No. Is the state it's in now acceptable? No. Does that necessarily mean that 343 is "blatantly incompetent," or that saying as much isn't hugely disrespectful? Also no, IMO.
YourExWife
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No. You're misunderstanding. Making functional video games is totally not comparable to making other large, multi-sourced software products. Game devs deserve special compensation in the criticism department. Please understand.
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And that's where you're 100% wrong. The buck stops with them. Their oversight (or lack thereof - we'll probably never know the real story) is what allows this to happen. Could the outsourced parts be messed up? Sure. Is it still 343's responsibility to actually notice instead of allowing a broken mess to be preloaded a month before release? Yup. Would it be a better PR move on 343/MS's part to say "we're delaying the game to make sure it's finished and working" instead of the PR nightmare and clusterfuck of a launch they had instead? You bet. Is it ridiculous to *still* be making excuses for the shitshow they released to the public? Yes. Plz stahp.
Poodlestrike
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I'm not making excuses, though. The MCC was a colossal fuckup, nobody's denying that. I'm purely taking issue with the incompetence remark, which I feel was too personal, and poorly sourced.
While it's a harsh thing to say, the MCC is by definition a result of incompetence. The game utterly failed on numerous levels. Whether it's a specific person or studio's fault doesn't matter, the game's a straight up mess. But whatever, it's just semantics.
YourExWife
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No one's referencing people. We're talking about a well-funded corporation, buddy.
Also:
Incompetence: "lack of the ability to do something well"
Sounds about right to me in this case.
The Lamonster
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Trying to play MCC tonight. This is so depressing. Could have been such an awesome game but it's still a huge mess and 343 has been silent for far too long. Time to say it's dead Jim. Contacting MS for a refund this week.
Poodlestrike
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I suppose it is a matter of semantics. For me, at least, "incompetence" carries a lot more weight than "couldn't do the job."
But w/e. Dictionary says I'm wrong, I can live with the L
Prinz Eugn
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On the one hand, I like the devs and appreciate their interactions with the community, but allowing a project to go so far south definitely seems like either incompetence at the project management level or corporate machinations within MS outside 343i's control. I personally think the latter is more likely, but regardless it's incredibly disappointing as a fan.
Either way it's probably going to be never before we get an official story, and months to years before someone leaks some truthbombs.
Regret Upon Approval
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No acknowledgement on Twitter by Frankee or Tash yet :-(
On the subject of Franky though, he hasn't swung by here for a bit of a while and stays in Off-Topic.
Another subject.
Frankie said there would be multiple strong women characters in H5. I'm kinda worried though because what counts as a strong woman to him? I hope it is any character but Palmer. I don't think I could handle 4x the condescending eggheadness.
On the subject of Franky though, he hasn't swung by here for a bit of a while and stays in Off-Topic.
Another subject.
Frankie said there would be multiple strong women characters in H5. I'm kinda worried though because what counts as a strong woman to him? I hope it is any character but Palmer. I don't think I could handle 4x the condescending eggheadness.
I like your de-synced audio because it provides a glimpse into the future, but keeps the suspense of wondering where those noises will be coming from.
Poodlestrike
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I still don't think Palmer's that bad, lol. She's a jock, and that's okay.
That said, I'm thinking we'll probably see more of the Miranda Keyes and/or Dr. Halsey model moving forward, considering Palmer's reception.
Prinz Eugn
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Strong female characters are great and needed IMO, but Palmer was an example of how not to make one. Strong, sure, but not in an endearing way at all.
lol, it's just this game, BF sound is synced.
Happens to me occasionally too but with like every game I own. Seems to be a problem with the DVR. Helps to do a hard reset
YourExWife
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You say this, but we've already got 2 games and entire comics series about the farcical Palmer.
User 73706
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Guys, the next OT is OT23. The OT number ended up going unchecked and uncorrected, but right now the progression is:
OT19 (huge hiatus)
OT: Anniversary (first OT on halogaf returning)
OT20
OT21
It should really be:
OT19
OT: Anniversary (still counts as OT20, obviously)
OT21
OT22
Upcoming thread: OT23
Visceral is an awesome dude for finally making the correction.
OT19 (huge hiatus)
OT: Anniversary (first OT on halogaf returning)
OT20
OT21
It should really be:
OT19
OT: Anniversary (still counts as OT20, obviously)
OT21
OT22
Upcoming thread: OT23
Visceral is an awesome dude for finally making the correction.
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