VivaciousJazzy
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I was meandering around the trailer in my editing program and noticed this.
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Halo |OT2| Hyper-Athletic Speed And Mass And Weight and Power
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bobs...onGaf
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Any chance of an impressions write up?
I really cant wait until we get to see the stuff that you and Devo got to see, I still feel like im flying blind in terms of Halo 4. I guess you both feel the same way though lol! Sadly i get the feeling getting a guage on the true mechanics of multiplayer is a bit off yet.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
I wanted to post this on Wednesday to trollol but I was prohibited so here it is. Pic is large so I thought it'd be better to link to it instead of posting it: http://i.imgur.com/cs3PN.jpg
thezerofire
Banned
new home
Devolution
Member
My eyes are glowing from the awesome.
The Librarian
Banned
I don't expect new info for a long time.
I'm finally on a PC. Someone have a handy link to all the screen caps? OT1 is clearly massive at this point.
Holy shit. :lol
Holy shit. :lol
RebornYeti
Member
Nice title.
Halo 4 whoo!
Halo hype is best hype.
Halo 4 whoo!
Halo hype is best hype.
frankie said they'd have a write up explaining not perks "soon" and "at a latter date" in the gaming side thread. MAYBE with the weekl update???
With imgur, you can type in s,m, or l at the end to make it different sizes.
Naughty, naughty.
fixed for actuality
fucking life lesson right here. did not know this. thanks
VivaciousJazzy
Member
That looks really.......bad.
Franklinator
Member
The Librarian
Banned
Hilariously bad.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure it is.
Great 'shop, 10/10
Demoncarnotaur
Member
So, who wants to try to figure this out again now that things are more calm?
Jetpack?
Grenadier Loadout?
AA pack on back?
Jetpack?
Grenadier Loadout?
AA pack on back?
Cool, I hope you are right about this, I really am a sucker for lighting and shadows.Continued from the last thread:
This is what I believe picture proof of real-time lighting and shadows in Halo 4:
Pretty blatant shadow map quality artifacts if you ask me. This is basically a good thing; it means that the lighting and shadows are real time, and not baked. Which means pretty good possibilities for forge.
I really do want to see what you guys saw, its hard to judge what the maps look like from the BTS video.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Good shit on the writeup Devo.
Well, now that we know about sprint and with all the talk from before there's likely going to be some jump enhancer, thrusters, jetpacks, whatever.
All I'm askin', Frankies, please listen. I need this. Don't make it gimped for Bumper Jumper. Let me use it by pressing jump again while I'm in the air, don't make me fumble around trying to hit a face button for that again. PLEASE!
Well, now that we know about sprint and with all the talk from before there's likely going to be some jump enhancer, thrusters, jetpacks, whatever.
All I'm askin', Frankies, please listen. I need this. Don't make it gimped for Bumper Jumper. Let me use it by pressing jump again while I'm in the air, don't make me fumble around trying to hit a face button for that again. PLEASE!
SteveWinwood
Member
So I heard this halo stuff was just a fad.
Devolution
Member
huh?
VivaciousJazzy
Member
I think frankie needs to know he got violated if he didnt see that.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Wait, is the other team Green in this picture, or is that an effect from it being off screen? If so, things like loadouts may only be present in certain gametypes.
Bornstellar
Member
Bets on which OT we'll be at by the time Halo 4 actually hits?
Who here votes for forge being axed in exchange for better and more original MP maps? Other then Grifball and a few maps that shine I really think the forge experiment failed overall in Halo 3 and Reach. Complete editor or nothing....go big or go home. Also leave it for Halo 5 and just concentrate on the basics for Halo 4.
The callsign beside the scores (at least that's what I think that is) are the now-traditional four character single-person callsigns, so it might be an FFA game.
Rickenslacker
Banned
The last one was a bit over a month, so... I'm saying 7.
VivaciousJazzy
Member
Free for all?
It is my hope that it was adjusted to be jump/booster pack, but yea, sure looks like that.So, who wants to try to figure this out again now that things are more calm?
Jetpack?
This might explain the three grenades he's carrying, as IIRC that loadout in Reach at one point allowed an extra grenade on spawn. I wonder if that a possible perk: carry one extra grenade.Grenadier Loadout?
Sure looks like it. Given they want the armor to be more functional in its design, I don't imagine it's purely superfluous.AA pack on back?
Pure speculation across the board. But they certainly seem like deliberate nuggets intended to spark such.
K
kittens
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Ooh, this sounds entirely plausible. Good eye.
Also: I had NO CLUE about AA packs until today's H4 trailer. I thought they were purely cosmetic, didn't know they were linked to AAs.
Devolution
Member
I think we're underestimating 343 if the existence of forge would somehow negatively impact what they've got going on with maps thus far. I hope some map stuff comes out soon so people can be much less wary of that.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Oh, yeah. Oops, good points. :lol
Well, still the Grenadier thing is interesting, as well as the Jetpack looking icon on the top left.
Yup, I think all of these guesses are fairly reasonable. I wouldn't mind things like an extra grenade, or maybe HUD and radar enhancements. Jetpack, IMO, doesn't have to break gameplay, it just needs some big overhauls.. So if it operates like a booster-pack I will be happy as I could see that working out.
User 73706
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Awesome write-up Devo, I've always been a fan of Halo's movement and while I think Reach tried to make the movement feel a bit better, it looks like Halo 4's going to actually execute it well. Two things, first off:
What if the not perks are how they'll allow similar weapons within the sandbox? As in, having the BR and DMR occupy the same range, but making it so you spawn with a primary weapon (such as the 3-shot, burst-fire BR, or the single-shot DMR, or some third option such as a Needle Rifle (sans explosion) or Carbine), and a second, supplementary weapon (such as a close-range, Reach/Halo 2-style Pistol or Assault Rifle)? I'd personally be up for something like this. You get all options from the get-go, no unlocking auto-fire bloomless Needle Rifle after getting a 50 in Action Sack or anything.
And second, not that it's a bad thing at all (it just makes them seem more badass), but do the Spartan IVs almost look... sport-like in addition to war machines? While I think they should have been Spartan Vs (shut up I know it makes no sense, but there are Vs plastered all over their armor), they're also striking me a bit as suits for Space Rugby or something. Which kind of makes sense, given they seem to be undergoing training.
What if the not perks are how they'll allow similar weapons within the sandbox? As in, having the BR and DMR occupy the same range, but making it so you spawn with a primary weapon (such as the 3-shot, burst-fire BR, or the single-shot DMR, or some third option such as a Needle Rifle (sans explosion) or Carbine), and a second, supplementary weapon (such as a close-range, Reach/Halo 2-style Pistol or Assault Rifle)? I'd personally be up for something like this. You get all options from the get-go, no unlocking auto-fire bloomless Needle Rifle after getting a 50 in Action Sack or anything.
And second, not that it's a bad thing at all (it just makes them seem more badass), but do the Spartan IVs almost look... sport-like in addition to war machines? While I think they should have been Spartan Vs (shut up I know it makes no sense, but there are Vs plastered all over their armor), they're also striking me a bit as suits for Space Rugby or something. Which kind of makes sense, given they seem to be undergoing training.
Continued from the last thread:
This is what I believe picture proof of real-time lighting and shadows in Halo 4:
Pretty blatant shadow map quality artifacts if you ask me. This is basically a good thing; it means that the lighting and shadows are real time, and not baked. Which means pretty good possibilities for forge.
I don't think so.
Lightmaps can exhibit the exact same artifacts. Essentially what happens with precalculated lighting in previous Halo games is that lightmap resolution changes as it is applied across the map geometry. What this means is that if a large flat area is mostly fully lit, it is given a much lower resolution in the lightmap lookup, whereas complex geometry or places where lights cast shadows across a surface - they're deemed as higher priority and that area is given more resolution.
Also artists will tag certain areas as being higher priority than others as well, so places where players will see frequently close-up will be given more lightmap resolution.
The fact that we see big blocky pixelated shadows could mean a few things:
1. The map lighting was being tweaked right up till the last minute, and so didn't have time to allow the lightmap to fully be calculated. Perhaps they're still working on the lighting system, or don't have the content pipeline in place yet. They might have had to build their own server farm for this instead of using Bungie's.
2. They've decided to lower the lightmap resolution in order to give other parts of the game access to those resources.
3. It's a bug.
(I hope I'm wrong and it is dynamically lit, or even has an in-game lightmapping engine that can bake out lighting once when the map loads).
Devolution
Member
That would be correct sir. Pull up a chair.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
I hope the hype/media train is consistent from here on out and not where we get another blackout until E3 or something.
That is an artifact, but it does not fit that of a dynamic shadow.
In many games with baked lighting, you can choose the texel density for the resulting shadow on a per surface basis or even make your own UV maps.
The picture you posted shows what seems to be a mistake that one of the artists made in choosing the shadow map size for that surface.
Texel Density is usually figured out toward the end of proiduction when you have more final lighting established and are ready for a final high quality bake.
If that were a dynamic shadow, they would most likely use a cascaded shadow map and that whole wall and anything at that depth would see similar artifacts as well as possibly some shearing, not just the small highlighted portion.
Here is a picture from that area from another angle:
At this close of a distance, a dynamic shadow would switch to a denser cascade and look much sharper.
Sorry bro, It's baked.
But if you are interested in seeing more, this video of Autodesk Beast Software illistrates the point quite clearly about 1 minute in.
You guys switched threads on me and I got beat by a minute.
Can't believe we are nerding out and overanylizing some pxels in a video.
I think I saw multiple CIA gunmen trying to assassinate JFK under orders from the illuminati in there somewhere too.
I wish we had enhance in real life :-(