Tha Robbertster
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How do you find this shit? HOW??
Sending me 3 ODST to help me when all 3 enemies are attacking me. That's what I call help
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How do you find this shit? HOW??
Sending me 3 ODST to help me when all 3 enemies are attacking me. That's what I call help
Twitter and Tumblr are scary places, man.
ElzarTheBam
Member
Sending me 3 ODST to help me when all 3 enemies are attacking me. That's what I call help
Lmao, great.
HiredN00bs
Member
It is a good map. I have lots of fun on it. Especially defending the Oddball in Operations. But you are referencing your brother, Starwolf, no?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
They should have never added in those fringe gametypes when not long before it they removed them. It was basically CTF, Neutral Bomb, bits of 1-flag and 1-bomb, and some spots here and there for Oddball and 3 Plots. They kept in Hot Potato for who God knows why.
Shitty gametypes on top of 5v5. Change those and it'll be world's better.
Oddball placed on Swordbase and Countdown is the worst - almost as silly as 3 Plots only showing up in Boardwalk and Countdown.
Steelyuhas
Member
My impressions from the Forge answer in the bulletin is that it will be pretty similar to Reach's. There will be improvements across the board without a doubt, but at it's core it will remain pretty similar.
It will definitely still be a map editor and not a map creator.
I think that given the mechanics of the game and the design of the map, Sword Base is one of the few maps in any shooter that you can literally say is objectively bad.
It will definitely still be a map editor and not a map creator.
I think that given the mechanics of the game and the design of the map, Sword Base is one of the few maps in any shooter that you can literally say is objectively bad.
Gabotron ES
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But Invasion might be in
ManBearPanda
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ElzarTheBam
Member
It is not a good map and you are wrong in this regard.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I was really hoping this had something to do with White Power Bill.
bobs...onGaf
Member
What happened in the Halo Wars game? Im kind of curious, who choose what and who won?
ElzarTheBam
Member
What happened in the Halo Wars game? Im kind of curious, who choose what and who won?
Over and Calum, Robbert got defeated with terrible units, I (apparently) sent him 3 odst units to help him. Gazzawa was second in command.
HiredN00bs
Member
I have fun playing it. I have competitive matches on it. It is aesthetically pleasing. It has lots of paths for players, even without using a Jetpack (a Jetpack on this map grants significant mobility, but I mostly use it to grenade out top gold lift room). Why do you say it is not good?
Allow me to respond to each one of your points:
There, done.
How is 3 walkways considered multiple?
Garrett 2U
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Dirty Ears Bill is not gargling my milk.
Tha Robbertster
Member
What happened in the Halo Wars game? Im kind of curious, who choose what and who won?
I was just minding my own business, when suddenly Over, ACM and the AI started attacking me. I heroically defended myself against the enemy hordes while hoping for backup from my cowardly allies. Finally, help came. Or so I thought. Elzar sent me mearly 3 puny ODST units. Logically, I succumbed under the combined strength of 3 enemies, but not without taking a few of them with me to the grave.
HiredN00bs
Member
I would answer this but it would be insulting for both of us.
Let's examine just one of the large areas of the map, the Break Room. You can enter it from High Bridge, from Low Bridge, or from Middle Bridge via Server Room. You can use the covenant lift in the Atrium to land in High Vent and come down from there. You can take Gold Lift. That's 5 ways into that area.
StalkerUKCG
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Red team have 3 power weapons off spawn (sniper/GL/Shotgun). The top green lift room promotes camping and its got essentially zero sight lines.
nooby pls
Agree to disagree I guess!
It is a good map, one of Reachs best, atleast compared to forge ones atleast.
He's not my brother
Far too many choke points. Green Lift Room and that hallway are grenade death traps. For objective, the map is terrible. Oddball in the operations room makes it near impossible to win if you don't get there first. I think Reach's settings make it terrible. AA's cause imbalance.
The map feels like it has 0 flow.
ElzarTheBam
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bobs...onGaf
Member
I feel that sword base would play out a LOT better if a lot of the walls where cut down, if upper gold was just totally open for example things would be less campy. Maps too compartmentalized and theres very linear routes around, even when using jetpack.
While Reach's maps generally suck Swordbase is certainly the one I go out of my way to avoid the most.
EDIT: I cant believe n00bs is being serious with that post, its like he's describing a totally different map, sure there are 5 ways into that room, but who cares, that room isnt the problem with the map.
They will sing warrior songs of your heroic death.
Steelyuhas
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The map is almost entirely a series of choke points, there is no incentive to move around the map, nor does the design allow free movement around the map outside of having a jetpack. There are tons of small areas and tight hallways and walkways which is just about the worst combination possible with Reach's limited movement options, nuke grenades, and slow killing weapons.
This is fucking hilarious. I can just imagine Elzar blaring into the mic "I've got your back, Rob; the cavalry is on its way!" And as Robbertster looks towards the horizon expectantly with a mixture of hope and desperation burning in his eyes, three broke down looking ODSTs make their way into the fray. Robberster loses his base -- there are no survivors.
Its essentially a rectangular upward spiral with random dead-end cubby holes. Any attempt to cross the map is fully exposed to multiple angles around the map. There are a couple of areas that have two or three bottleneck entrances, allowing a team to easy camp them. There is no incentive to move around the map, and the losing team is forced to charge across tiny railed walkways or tight doorways right into the jaws of four guys spamming nades at one spot. Any benefit that might have been gained by adding lifts is negated by the loud noise they make when anyone enters them, giving every player within earshot ample time to redirect their aim at a pre-set landing zone.
Its bad.
HiredN00bs
Member
Teams typically try to control the top. Top Red, High Bridge, etc. All of the motion is upward, kind of like Prisoner, only players have a lot more mobility thanks to the lifts, bridges, and Jetpack. You can take center lift to Top Red, or fall short to Shotgun spawn and run up the back stairs, or come up Red Lift directly. Or you can attack at range from Break Health Pack, Server Room, High Vent, or Gold lift/hallway.
Only Gold and Red are pre-set, and they shouldn't be used unless those rooms are cleared or if you are syncing a push on those areas from multiple points. The central lift is completely influenced by player movement and is thus very versatile.
The same incentive exists in Sword Base as with every other map: power weapons. You have a very exposed Sniper, Grenade Launcher, as well as DMRs and Needle Rifles (for ammo or pickup in default Slayer variants) in the lower areas (as well as the Sword). There really aren't any small areas besides the Gold Lift room, most of the rooms are fairly large with plenty of room for strafing, jumping, and taking cover. Reach has fantastic movement options with Sprint and Jetpack, and the two abilities create an interesting chase component where the Jetpack user tries to cut off a sprinting opponent. Choke points suck, but you can escape them when in danger by dropping to what is often a choice of lower platforms and subsequent escape routes.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Pretty sure Elzars 3 weary ODST's survived, cowards probably turned and ran as soon as they saw the base burning.
ElzarTheBam
Member
I'm not gonna lie this is exactly what happened except for the fact that I sent him 2 pelicans filled with ODST's.
He built cobras, I mean, WHO DOES THAT? Come on.
bobs...onGaf
Member
I'm not gonna lie this is exactly what happened except for the fact that I sent him 2 pelicans filled with ODST's.
He built cobras, I mean, WHO DOES THAT? Come on.
What did the other guys build? BTW I kind of wish I played now lol.
Prometheus Spoiler pic
GOD DAMN. DAT CG WAS AWESOME.
Apparently they also used a lot of practical effects. I was surprised by how much wasn't CG.
GOD DAMN. DAT CG WAS AWESOME.
Apparently they also used a lot of practical effects. I was surprised by how much wasn't CG.
Tha Robbertster
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Well actually, this kinda happened. My first base was getting slaughtered by ACM's hawks while his ODST's were standing next to my second base, casually watching the massacre.
I'm not gonna lie this is exactly what happened except for the fact that I sent him 2 pelicans filled with ODST's.
He built cobras, I mean, WHO DOES THAT? Come on.
I was hoping they'd stop Over's Grizzlies
Too bad the script was written by a chimpanzee
ElzarTheBam
Member
Gaz did Tanks.
But you're forgetting, ROBBERT BUILT COBRAS...COBRAS! Lol.
Sweet lies.
It did look like it had practical effects, CGI alone doesn't create very realistic picture (this is the reason i've really liked all Halo live action pieces so far, mix of real and CGI is good).
Too bad the films only good point was the good visuals.
Tha Robbertster
Member
The central lift floats you like a pinata in the middle of the map. If your goal is to have a chance to change your loadout, its a good option.
Comparing Prisoner to Sword Base.
smh
Did anyone get the sense that he was the movies 'Prometheus'? As in, he had stolen the black goo and was marooned on earth as punishment? (He kind of looked angry or hopeless toward the ship as it left him)
It would explain why the the others want to kill the humans, although we still have no clue as to what exactly David said to him.
It would explain why the the others want to kill the humans, although we still have no clue as to what exactly David said to him.
Brolic Gaoler
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I agree about Firefight's need to evolve. You can see 343's likely line of thinking in where they settled:
They wanted to connect the co-op mode to the fiction more deeply than an abstract survival mission set in different locations. That led to the development of a story to connect the missions.
343 also wanted to invest the mode with greater variety, and probably drew up a number of different kind of combat scenarios (explore facility; clear enemies from entrenched position; sniping mission; fight into enemy camp, escape; rescue mission; defend and hold mission; vehicular assault; etc.) and crafted missions around those ideas, building them into the story.
What I'm expecting are Campaign vignettes, short focused missions on specific types of battles. Some will be defense oriented like Firefight, but most others will feature other kinds of scenarios.
My fear is that in crafting specific scenarios like that, we'll lose most of the customization that Firefight provided. But given how Firefight was handled in matchmaking with Reach, I think I'd rather have well crafted missions than deep customization that would be underutilized. Seems like a fair trade off, in the end. (One of many clues customization is cut back is in the E3 Infinity Multiplayer trailer, where the "Online" XP bonus is just 1,000 credits; you can get all the rest by playing offline. I'm guessing that means you can't make yourself invincible with a bottomless clip fighting all Grunts and still do that.)
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