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Halo: Reach Beta Thread
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Insaniac said:
Can you tell me why you're running around with half of a clip in the first place? I understand if you are just coming from a battle and haven't had time to reload but if that isn't the case and you're just running around with half of a clip then you deserve to die.
Subtervotion
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Dirtbag said:
Take a look at my file share. Armor Lock FTW. http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/fileshare.aspx?player=iHN Jury&fc=2Princess Carl
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So I have officially logged in over 24 hours into this beta and its been a blast so far. I can be extremely frustrating at times but I can't stop playing it. It was a very humbling experience coming into Reach as a General. The game is much harder and I love it.
There are too many good things to list so I thought I'd post the problems I have with it so far.
The current melee speed is perfectly fine if the damage is changed to 60% of full shield. If it is gonna stay a two hit kill, the speed needs to be lowered.
The pistol has feedback issues. I have had way too many encounters where I know I landed a shot in the head, they take damage, but they dont die. The reticule on it doesnt do a good enough job of identifying a good shot.
Hammer needs to be changed a little. This can be done either of two ways. Either lower the lunge when sprint is equipped or lower the total ammo.
Plasma Launcher needs to be removed from Sword Base or severely changed on non vehicle maps. Too much ammo.
Assault Rifle could use an increase or damage or increase in clip, but I could understand if they didnt change it. I wouldnt be surprised if the plasma repeater now kills faster with no shields.
It would be nice if the grenade launcher had a tiny bit larger blast radius. The grenade itself will kill in one hit, but should do a tiny bit more damage outside of the kill zone.
Rocket should only have two shots on Powerhouse.
Armor Lock dance should be looked at. Questionable deaths after attacking someone who should be out of armor lock but isnt.
Grenades, oh how I loathe you. Part of me thinks I am just bad with them. I have a -90 spread with frag grenades and a -29 spread with plasma grenades. The same idea shows up here from melee. Either lower the strength or decrease the prevalence of them. Choose one and problem solved.
Getting back to the AR, I feel like tapping the trigger doesnt reward you as much as pacing your shots with the Pistol and DMR do. It is essentially worthless close range when factoring in melee. It hits like a baby when you have no shields and gives no extra damage for hitting the head shieldless.
There are too many good things to list so I thought I'd post the problems I have with it so far.
The current melee speed is perfectly fine if the damage is changed to 60% of full shield. If it is gonna stay a two hit kill, the speed needs to be lowered.
The pistol has feedback issues. I have had way too many encounters where I know I landed a shot in the head, they take damage, but they dont die. The reticule on it doesnt do a good enough job of identifying a good shot.
Hammer needs to be changed a little. This can be done either of two ways. Either lower the lunge when sprint is equipped or lower the total ammo.
Plasma Launcher needs to be removed from Sword Base or severely changed on non vehicle maps. Too much ammo.
Assault Rifle could use an increase or damage or increase in clip, but I could understand if they didnt change it. I wouldnt be surprised if the plasma repeater now kills faster with no shields.
It would be nice if the grenade launcher had a tiny bit larger blast radius. The grenade itself will kill in one hit, but should do a tiny bit more damage outside of the kill zone.
Rocket should only have two shots on Powerhouse.
Armor Lock dance should be looked at. Questionable deaths after attacking someone who should be out of armor lock but isnt.
Grenades, oh how I loathe you. Part of me thinks I am just bad with them. I have a -90 spread with frag grenades and a -29 spread with plasma grenades. The same idea shows up here from melee. Either lower the strength or decrease the prevalence of them. Choose one and problem solved.
Getting back to the AR, I feel like tapping the trigger doesnt reward you as much as pacing your shots with the Pistol and DMR do. It is essentially worthless close range when factoring in melee. It hits like a baby when you have no shields and gives no extra damage for hitting the head shieldless.
Prophet Steve
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Wait, I seem to be on your side. CEASE FIRE.Dirtbag said:
FunkyMunkey
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TommyT said:
LOL no.
People have already brought up so reasons as to why the melee system is broken. It's not that it's all the way unplayable bad, it's just a mega downgrade from what they had worked up to in Halo 3.
Stop being a jester.
And to the others, obsessing over LOL PICK A DIFFERENT AA or RELOAD UR GUNZ as evidence of a good melee system, means it's broken. Period. It should come down to SKILL. Yes some situations you're effed. But a good player should be able to get out of almost any situation. In Reach, it doesn't work that way at all. A grenade 20 feet away or a melee happy sprinter means you're fucked.
Insaniac said:
Yes, but winning taht sort of encounter means you need to have the advantage in a different sense. If you have a preemptive strike, throw a grenade. If you have nothing, use armor abilities to try to get away or stay alive longer if you can. Coordinate with a teammate to take him out with you. Going head to head against him when you don't have proper equipment is stupid, not broken or unfair.
Hydranockz
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I am of the opinion that many of these 'problems' some dudes have are subjective. They are not problms as much as they are tidits that don't mater too much.
I personally believe everythin is really well balanced... Call me crazy but the game just seems to flow well.
I personally believe everythin is really well balanced... Call me crazy but the game just seems to flow well.
FunkyMunkey
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TommyT said:
By out-aiming him?
In Reach, out-aiming him doesn't mean shit.
Thought this was pretty funny when it happened. Guy going to assassinate someone.. I make him dissapear. :lol
Now you see him..
Now you see him..
Texture res and model quality is much higher, especially on the things people are looking at most: players and weapons. Particles are nice, and the animations are really good.Rubenov said:
Didn't we get a confirmation that it's the same water as in H3?Wizpig said:
I still don't think that "temporal AA" detracts from the quality of the game in motion. It's looked fine for me every time I've been playing. And quite frankly I'll take no attempts to resolve jaggies if it has a kick-ass feature set, which Halo has never failed to deliver on.
This all stems from this:FunkyMunkey said:
In which case the idea that you're absolutely fucked is complete bullshit. The only difference between the situation in Reach and Halo 3 is that in Halo 3 if you are fucked, you can charge in at the guy and hope to finish him off with a melee. Otherwise you can still throw grenades, switch weapons, or use an AA.Insaniac said:
Uphill advantage and being at half ammo in a gun are hardly in the same category in terms of advantage. If that were the case, Powerhouse would be the most imbalanced map for Stockpile ever.
You're right. That's why everyone is just as good as each other.FunkyMunkey said:
FunkyMunkey said:
:lol :lol
Out aiming means everything. Are you really trying to say that if two guys go at each other with pistols, one shooting towards the head and the other the body, that as long as the guy aiming for the head hits his shots it doesn't matter because aiming doesn't mean shit?
You can't actually be serious with this post can you?
Shake Appeal
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At one stage yesterday I had 20 games straight going positive or breaking even. Today I was all over the place and my k/d dropped almost 0.1. It feels like everyone's suddenly become amazing at this, and adapted to the melee.
I blame TrueSkill. :lol
I blame TrueSkill. :lol
Well, there are more factors at play than simply aiming better. You could have dead-on headshots lined up every time, but if you're pulling the trigger as fast as you can, you'll probably lose anyway. If he utilizes his ability better than you, you lose anyway. If he's got a better weapon than you for the situation you die. People are too used to having a weapon that is 98% effective as long as you aim well. Now, there are other factors at play, there is no god weapon.FunkyMunkey said:
Expect the Needler.
Generic said:
yes but I'm trying to take into account as few variables as possible. In a straight up AR to melee battle you'd lose every time. In halo 3 you could at least have a mutual death.
In halo 3 there have been many times when i've been de-shielded, or low on ammo, and i've run into an enemy. some times I would catch them off guard and I'd be able to land the shots I needed with my AR to get a melee kill, but like I said earlier, the disadvantage of needing to reload/the increased time it takes to completely break their shield, rather than lowering them to some lethal level creates a very big disadvantage.
FunkyMunkey said:
I actually think the health is an integral part of the gameplay with AA's. Yes, you can escape with armor lock if you were almost dead, but at least the next time I engage you I'll have a health advantage for all of my troubles last time you escaped. I think that was a big part of the reasoning behind it.
The melee is fine, you guys just need to get out of Halo 3 AR+Beatdown mode.
Insaniac said:
This is the last damn time I say this. You are at a DISADVANTAGE. You are not supposed to win the battle. You are not supposed to have a mutual kill. If you win the battle then you either out skill your opponent in the situation by catching them off guard, etc., or your opponent is just bad. An average player will win a situation like the one you are describing almost every time.
Subtervotion
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MagniHarvald said:
I searched for sword spree on reach. I found one file. The kid got 5 kills in a row with the sword. no medal. maybe its bugged, who knows.
In Halo 3 if you had no shields and someone else had full shields, you're either extremely lucky or your opponent is extremely dumb if you're able to kill them. I see no difference in Reach.Insaniac said:
Seriously, you guys can hate the melee system. You unload on a guy, bring his shields to 1%, melee him, he melees you back and you're both suddenly on equal footing? Fair enough, hate on that. But stop bringing up dumb fucking examples and try and claim that there is absolutely one outcome when it comes to Reach but all sorts of other alternatives when it comes to Halo 3.
FunkyMunkey
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No I'm not a "joke character". My avatar just means that even Link gets to enjoy a little ass every now and then. Saria's Song = booty call.
We're saying that it's messed up for a disadvantage to almost automatically mean you're screwed. In Halo 3, it was MUCH easier to use the environment and skill to snake out of a unequal situation. In Reach, it's unfair because you're disadvantage DETERMINES the outcome of the fight. Are you saying the variability of a player's skill should take a backseat to the predisposed tier of the weapons and melee system? If you guys are, then mistake.
IMO, it shouldn't.
JambiBum said:
We're saying that it's messed up for a disadvantage to almost automatically mean you're screwed. In Halo 3, it was MUCH easier to use the environment and skill to snake out of a unequal situation. In Reach, it's unfair because you're disadvantage DETERMINES the outcome of the fight. Are you saying the variability of a player's skill should take a backseat to the predisposed tier of the weapons and melee system? If you guys are, then mistake.
IMO, it shouldn't.