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Halo: Reach |OT6| There Are Those Who Said This Day Would Never Come
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I started off writing this to answer your question, but I ended up writing a novel of cool things that I think Reach missed the mark on.Deputy Moonman said:
If I had a choice in making the game, I would have them all available to a Recruit. Then once the player has earned enough credits to buy their preferred armor, they can buy it. I would also make the armors cost a bit more then, so people can continue purchasing into the latter ranks. As for other stuff, I think certain armors should have been unlocked with achievements, similar to how they were in Halo 3. The CQB helmet, Military Police helmet, and Security chest were cool ideas that screwed offline players. Why not give them a chance to earn other cool helmets without taking them 9 years to level up? There should have been a broader range in the way the player invests themselves in a character.
Another cool idea I had was to make the armors do something in non-multiplayer scenarios in what I like to dub "the real armor abilities." One example being the sniper shoulders giving you extra sniper rounds in Firefight games when you have it, or the ability to replenish them at an ammo crate. The health pack utility giving you the ability to slowly replenish health, instead of using a health pack or drop shield. I had a list of them in a notebook somewhere, I should probably find that...
Another cool idea I had was to make the armors do something in non-multiplayer scenarios in what I like to dub "the real armor abilities." One example being the sniper shoulders giving you extra sniper rounds in Firefight games when you have it, or the ability to replenish them at an ammo crate. The health pack utility giving you the ability to slowly replenish health, instead of using a health pack or drop shield. I had a list of them in a notebook somewhere, I should probably find that...
I would have "stolen" the idea of Spec Ops from MW2 as well. The previously mentioned "armor abilities" would apply here as well. FF gives you many options to customize the game to what you want to play, but in the end it's almost always a defensive gametype. You have to change the way you play to make it offensive, which isn't a great design decision. I would love to have scenarios where the Covenant have a fortified structure, and my goal is to get in and plant a bomb or steal a data core. I think Invasion was an attempt at this, but players have a certain psychology that makes them resort to douchey tactics.
Invasion is a cool idea, but I would have expanded it further. I don't always want to play 6v6 for Invasion. I'd love to do a full scale Invasion styled gametype without certain gametype attributes of Invasion. I really want an 8v8, 2 player fire team, 3-4 phase gametype. Per phase there are multiple goals, so it really relies on how the fire teams perform within the team and throughout the fire teams. Maybe I have rose-tinted glasses on for how the beta was, but I remember the beta version of Invasion being better than the shipped version.
Forge was a great improvement over Halo 3, but it's still missing some real love. Terrain editing could be really cool with tools like (what we assume is) Grognok. I would love to truly build my map from scratch and import the level terrain into Forge, and then build the structures I want. Then once in Forge, I really wish I could do true custom colors. I can do custom colors, but it's still gray. I'd love some options like Piece Color, Accent Color, and/or Light Color. Another way Forge could be improved is by returning VIP to it. The VIP can become a monitor and place objects while his/her teammates can battle on the created map. The major downside I see to this is spawning(which is already atrocious), but if a smart spawn system was created I think it could work.
As for multiplayer, I have a whole range of thoughts on this, but it really boils down to: How does the player want to play? Is the player going for competition or playing for the hell of it? I'd love to see all of the maps from Halo 1, 2, and 3 in Reach. I love Relic and would love to see it play with Reach's settings. If it butchers the map, then I should be able to tweak the gametype and map settings to make it play the way I want it to play. I would love to see Boarding Action with a Jetpack. I think it could add a new, fun twist to the way it plays.
As for multiplayer, I have a whole range of thoughts on this, but it really boils down to: How does the player want to play? Is the player going for competition or playing for the hell of it? I'd love to see all of the maps from Halo 1, 2, and 3 in Reach. I love Relic and would love to see it play with Reach's settings. If it butchers the map, then I should be able to tweak the gametype and map settings to make it play the way I want it to play. I would love to see Boarding Action with a Jetpack. I think it could add a new, fun twist to the way it plays.
The current Armor Abilities are cool ideas, but very poorly implemented. Certain ones like Sprint seem like a cool addition in a barely playable state. Melee nukes make Sprint seem godly. The 3 melee hit would fix this or a cooldown after Sprint to melee. Personally, I'd like to test either option, but not both at the same time. I think Bungie did this when addressing the issues of Halo 3 when designing Reach, and that's why it turned out the mess that it is. Jetpack seems a bit to friendly with the way the player controls their camera. I can fire straight down, and my opponent can't fire straight back.
Armor Lock could be tolerable with the TU fixes or a possible quick one time use feature. You only have a second to block whatever is coming at you, so you better be ready. I don't think it should blow up Warthogs like it does, and personally only think it should destroy boosting Ghosts. Sticky removal is dumb, but I think that if you could time the quick Armor Lock to prevent the stuck grenade from killing you, it would be fine. The EMP and stun afterward would also be removed.
Drop Shield should have a longer reset time. Otherwise I can't really comment on it, as I rarely see it used. Hologram is great. Evade should be approximate to the unit's height, so Elites get a bigger lunge with it than Spartans. Active Camo should have the radar jammer tweaked. I think it's a bit unforgiving for it to jam enemy radar and cloak your position. The both can still be in there with the Camo movement decay. The faster you move, the more the radar becomes haywire for your enemies, but you decay the camo. If you stay still, you slightly jam radar, but you remain cloaked better. It would constantly drain the AA meter similar to what AL does now, but at a bit slower rate.
In default Slayer, Armor Abilities would be pickups except for Sprint and Hologram. In Loadout Slayer, Armor Abilities and Loadouts would be custom tailored for each map. The prime example being Reflection. Jetpack is really not suited for Reflection, and as a result gameplay isn't fun.
In default Slayer, Armor Abilities would be pickups except for Sprint and Hologram. In Loadout Slayer, Armor Abilities and Loadouts would be custom tailored for each map. The prime example being Reflection. Jetpack is really not suited for Reflection, and as a result gameplay isn't fun.
Wow. That was a lot. There's probably more that I'm forgetting, but I'll just have to post those anther day.
It still frustrates me how flag/bomb contesting, a visual indicator on the flag/bomb, and sudden death in Halo 3 and Reach have been poorly designed and implemented. It's something like that which can help make or break flag and assault games.
I s'pose it was just a curve where Bungie wanted to go more for a slayer based Halo than one that's defined for everything else.
I s'pose it was just a curve where Bungie wanted to go more for a slayer based Halo than one that's defined for everything else.
I'd love to see the return of power ups to the primary Reach playlists. Remove Camo from all but Invasion, add it to maps as a pick up. Add Overshield where it makes sense.
Remove Evade for all but Elite Slayer and Invasion (Elite side). The playlists would be much more enjoyable. With the Camo tweak this is probably not in the cards, though.
Remove Evade for all but Elite Slayer and Invasion (Elite side). The playlists would be much more enjoyable. With the Camo tweak this is probably not in the cards, though.
Devolution
Member
Striker said:
My favorite is how when the neutral flag is taken, it says stolen even when it's your team. Who is it being stolen from? Announcer should just say taken or have a better cue than tiny type to tell you it's okay, your team has it.
HiredN00bs
Member
I got no beef with you, man.Ramirez said:
Steelyuhas
Member
wwm0nkey said:
DO IT!
Thanks for the new version.
GhaleonEB said:
Even if the camo one wasn't done, all the others would be very welcome changes in my opinion.
Personally, evade is the thing that is so irksome. It is painfully obvious that it was designed just for the Elites to use. If there is one thing that I hope 343 does to the default Reach playlists (other than kill them and implement TU hotness everywhere) is to keep evade with the Elites in Elite Slayer and Invasion.
Devolution said:
The announcer and Flag UI is flat broken in Neutral Flag lol.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Ramirez said:
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
During the panel they stated late September.Louis Wu said:
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Deadly Cyclone said:
TU - Late September
Beta Hoppers - October
So technically, yeah, we won't be able to mess with the TU changes until October.
Then the playlist changes will be done early october.
OK, jk.
I really really hope hoppers come soon after or that they at least toss a gametype our way as a teaser so we can try it in customs.
I also really wish some of the changes were just global instantly, like AL and camo nerfs.
Steelyuhas
Member
TU late September and beta hoppers early October is definitely what they have communicated to us at this point.
AlmostMilk
Member
Prime example of why you don't go into matchmaking alone.Blinding said:
Devolution
Member
Blinding said:
lol swat. uncaged. why do this to yourself?
xxjuicesxx
Member
Lol I was flipping out in my channel today. Probably a bunch saw. I'm like where the fuck is everyone!? Kept going into Rumble Pit, man that playlist is TERRIBLE. So I go into Team Snipers.
Yea TrueskillllL!!!!!!!!!!
Yea TrueskillllL!!!!!!!!!!
Devolution
Member
xxjuicesxx said:
You gettin' on again any time soon? Also I watched that in real time and was just shakin' my head.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Between TrueSkill and guests, I've been raging today. So much raging.xxjuicesxx said:
Devolution
Member
Randies either quit on me or have a fondness for betraying me on purpose. I do not play alone.
Devolution
Member
Prune friend list. Dude a head count of gaffers for lulz. 80% of my list right now. lol.
HiredN00bs
Member
I meant it when I apologized, and that was before I even knew something traumatic had happened with your son. I wasn't a lurker before I started posting here, so I don't know shit about anybody. I was wrong to make assumptions and call people out on superfluous bases.Ramirez said:
I sincerely wish you and your family the best. <3
Barrel Cannon
Member
I find trueskill irrelevant in SWAT, but still dayyummBlinding said:
xxxstylzxxx
Member
The Halo equivalent of trying to crawl your way up a steep, muddy hill
I have a sneaking suspicion that you fellas might want to stay clear of GT: ThinkEmu802. Just sayin.
I have a sneaking suspicion that you fellas might want to stay clear of GT: ThinkEmu802. Just sayin.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Another night of solo action for me. Some good games and some so-so games. Thankfully, the 2 most frustrating games I played tonight I still came out with a positive k/d ratio, which is about the only thing one can take from a game when you're not playing that well.
Losing streaks look awful on b.net, lol
Losing streaks look awful on b.net, lol
Hydranockz
Member
I always thought it was like this:Devolution said:
Your team takes the flag - "Flag taken"
Enemy takes the flag - "Flag stolen"
That's not exactly fantastic feedback but I am almost certain this is the case.
@Ram: I've been here for quite a while now and it was only when you added me on Twitter that I ever knew your son had CF. I hope all is well.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Good games tonight folks. Umm, sorry for sprinting into your grenades, haha.
Devolution
Member
Hydranockz said:
It's the case in two flag, it's not the case in neutral or 3 flag.
Hydranockz
Member
Oh ok. Wow, I guess I forgot neutral flag was even a thing hah.Devolution said:
Cool, at least I'm not going crazy with the flag calls though but yeah, remember when the beta had problems with the UI and all them crazy symbols appearing or even just having the colours over objectives being rather misleading. Bungie really have slipped up in UI a few times it would seem.
Devolution
Member
Hydranockz said:
Funny you mention colors, what bothers me most about forge world isn't the lack of color because it makes it more interesting, but color is a great way to get oriented and tell others where you are.