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Happy Birthday, Nintendo DS!
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Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Also notice how many of the trolls on the DS launch thread are still live and well 
Forgotten Ancient
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Pimpbaa said:
Nbots said:
Yeah, it's too bad Nintendo's games don't push their hardware.
Frankfurter
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Oblivion said:
Japan: 3,774,087
Europe: 2 million+ (Nintendo announced 2 million one or two weeks ago)
USA: 2,377,000 (+/- 1k)
Overall an installed base of 8.15 millions (+ the sales from Canada and Australia [is DS available in any other region/country that isn't covered from the above mentioned?]).
Forgotten Ancient
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Pimpbaa said:
Ok.
The week before AC the DS sold around 60,000 units.
The week AC comes out, the DS sells more than double that.
I guess it could be mere coincidence.
DjangoReinhardt
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Pimpbaa said:
I, for one, would never purchase hardware with a reasonable price in order to play an anticipated game.
Forgotten Ancient
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CVXFREAK said:
They don't celebrate eas....
Oh, I see what you did there.
Pimpbaa
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CVXFREAK said:
Those figures alone weren't proof enough alone for me because I didn't know the previous weeks sales figures. All I seen were high ds and high animal crossing figures. I still stand by the fact that price is the main reason for higher sales most of the time. The amount of good DS games released before this fall were pretty slim.
Forgotten Ancient
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CVXFREAK said:
I would also use Nintendogs+Braintraining as an example in Japan. Before they were released, those who would be eating crow now were ready to feed it to us...whoever "us" is. There's been several other quality games that have buoyed the DS's successful first year, but dogs and brains were the main catalyst.
Pimpbaa said:
DS games have long legs. The two Brain Trainings and nintendogs, plus Jump Superstars all kept the DS through the summer. Especially Jump Superstars and the Brain Trainings. Tamagotchi was also a hit.
Before fall is very different from last week, when AC was released and DS sales doubled. There were reports from retailers that AC was being sold with tons of DS hardware, too. It's an undeniable truth.
Your fighting this arguement for the wrong system. This fits the PSP way more than it does the DS.
Never underestimate the tide turning power single special game releases can have. Never.Pimpbaa said:
Remember final fantasy 7 and the like. Nintendogs pulled the DS out of it's 57k/month slump almost by itself which I would never have expected.
I am surprised though that gta and we9 did _not_ have the same effect for the Psp. Maybe the experience is just too close to the console version, I don't know. A point many people in the old thread got laughed at and banned for :lol
Forgotten Ancient
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Pimpbaa said:
Are you talking about the DS or PSP good sales in NA?
If you're talking about the DS, outside of launch they haven't been particularly great. They've had a surge with Nintendogs and the latest batch of good software is sure to help, but the DS hasn't really been too impressive in NA at this point IMO.
If you're talking about the PSP, well...it *seems* like sales have been dwindling recently. (NPD hasn't been really helpful in gauging this lately) CVX and others keep better track of this than I do, but I'd guess the PSP and DS are running relatively close to each other in units sold over the last few months. UMDs have been selling at a surprsingly high rate, so that probably has a fair bit to do with Sony's sales.
Pimpbaa
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elostyle said:
I know why. The psp is too expensive! People are not going to buy it on a whim because of great game. Despite the state of the art hardware in it, the casual gamer thinks that portable systems should be considerably cheaper than regular consoles. I tried to explain to a friend why the psp was so expensive, but he still didn't get it. He kept saying "but it's so small, it should be cheaper".
Amir0x saying the PSP is 194... and the guy saying it's 249elostyle said:
and then calling the guy troll when his points were spot on. :lol
Forgotten Ancient
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Pimpbaa said:
To be fair, you seemed to get upset when Japan was brought up. If not upset, you at least kept reverting back to NA. You seem to want to purely talk about North America's sales to try and pick your pricing argument back up from the trash.
There are certainly very different tastes in the different markets, but certain trends tend to be universal.
The most universal trend is that people will buy systems that they feel have the best games. The Gamecube launched much cheaper than the PS2/Xbox, but that didn't help it's cause much. Don't get me wrong, a price drop will definitely increase sales for awhile, but it's the games that will keep the consumers spending.
Date of Lies
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do yourself a favor and get yourself a 1 gig stick somehow.Pimpbaa said:
Date of Lies
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Nothing, just that the gigastick made my psp purchase worthwhile, that's all.Pimpbaa said:
Ignatz Mouse
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Happy birthday DS.
As far as the thread quotes, I see this:
1) I must be one of the only PSP boosters who didn't expect it to outsell DS. I expected sales in proportion with the price, which seems to be what we're getting. For while when the PSP was ahead in weekly sales I though maybe PSP would end up on top, but that was fleeting.
2) The guys who got banned in that thread deserved it. Just becuase the DS is outselling the PSP doesn't make their points true, or their posts non-trolling.
3) Some of the anti-DS people ought to have been banned as well. I think some were temp-banned.
4) THE BIG POINT: Boost your system, cool. Don't trash somebody else's. Self-onage on tht thread from people trying to down DS's potential based on their own biases. Other people perpetuating the myth that the PSP only has PS2 experiences to offer. Both sets of people: wrong.
As far as the thread quotes, I see this:
1) I must be one of the only PSP boosters who didn't expect it to outsell DS. I expected sales in proportion with the price, which seems to be what we're getting. For while when the PSP was ahead in weekly sales I though maybe PSP would end up on top, but that was fleeting.
2) The guys who got banned in that thread deserved it. Just becuase the DS is outselling the PSP doesn't make their points true, or their posts non-trolling.
3) Some of the anti-DS people ought to have been banned as well. I think some were temp-banned.
4) THE BIG POINT: Boost your system, cool. Don't trash somebody else's. Self-onage on tht thread from people trying to down DS's potential based on their own biases. Other people perpetuating the myth that the PSP only has PS2 experiences to offer. Both sets of people: wrong.
I believed that the PSP would steamsroll the DS to be honest with you. I think the reason why the DS is on top that those people cited were remarkably close to the reality. I don't see why it was trolling either, though they presented their points in a kinda extreme wayIgnatz Mouse said:
I'm saying that because it matches a lot with the reasons why I don't own a psp yet. Obviously you like the games a lot more than I do so the naturally you have a different persepective about it.
Ignatz Mouse
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It's trolling becuase of the extreme way they made their points, plus the whole "my opinion = fact" thing going on. I think you miss it becuase it's your opinion as well.
It's also been an anti-PSP tactic since day one to diminish the fact that it has far better graphics, to say that it offers no experience that can't be had on PS2. It's not true, and it also would apply to every handheld before the DS.
The thing holding back the PSP from doing even better is price. That's about it. My guess, of course, but there it stands.
It's also been an anti-PSP tactic since day one to diminish the fact that it has far better graphics, to say that it offers no experience that can't be had on PS2. It's not true, and it also would apply to every handheld before the DS.
The thing holding back the PSP from doing even better is price. That's about it. My guess, of course, but there it stands.
Wow, sonycowboys quote stacks up to a world of self-ownage. The DS is just getting started my friend. :lol
I took the plunge 4 days ago and I could NOT be happier. I did what I said I was going to do and that was wait until a nice amount of AAA games were released so I could pick and choose my poison at leisure. So many great games out and so many great games coming out next year. I love this thing more than I did my Gamegear 13 years ago.
I took the plunge 4 days ago and I could NOT be happier. I did what I said I was going to do and that was wait until a nice amount of AAA games were released so I could pick and choose my poison at leisure. So many great games out and so many great games coming out next year. I love this thing more than I did my Gamegear 13 years ago.
Pimpbaa u saying the PSP is only getting outsold by DS because of its higher price is kind of moot. One of DS's basic advantages over the PSP is that it is cheaper to manufacture because the technology isn't as advanced. This enables Nintendo to always be able to undercut PSP's price by a significant margin without having to break bank. If Sony set a even or lower price point than the DS then it would get a humungous boost in sales no doubt but this is moot. This is like me hypothesizing that the DS would be selling 3x as much as it is now if it had 2 hi-res wide screens and the power of a Dreamcast. Sony chose to go with more powerful more expensive technology as a design choice and they accepted that their PSP would always be more expensive than the competition because of it. Nintendo made a design choice because they wanted a price advantage over the competition. Hypothesizing anything other than what is reality is pointless.
Having said that I believe there is actually one really good reason why DS is winning right now and it is something that I believed way before either portable came out. The DS is very cheap to develop for, especially compared to the PSP which is unusually costly to develop for a portable. Not only this but development cycles are likely to be shorter on the DS which means more games can be made in in a smaller time frame. The whole reason why a lot of 3rd parties even bother with making portable games is to MAKE MONEY to offset rising console development costs. So for 3rd parties the biggest draw for DS is its cheap and easy development cycle which is easier to net a profit and less of a gamble than the PSP's development cycle.
That is the harsh reality of it all. A portable game console can't expect to win the portable market with mp3 playblack and a killer movie selection alone. At some point you have to deliver with the games and not just any games, you need games that resonates with a portable gamers needs. So unless something drastic changes and Sony finds a way to lower PSP development costs to be comparable to the DS's then I don't see the current trend changing. In fact once more universally popular games are released like online Pokemon and new versions of Nintendogs with online capability I expect the DS to pull away from the PSP even more in the western territories.
Having said that I believe there is actually one really good reason why DS is winning right now and it is something that I believed way before either portable came out. The DS is very cheap to develop for, especially compared to the PSP which is unusually costly to develop for a portable. Not only this but development cycles are likely to be shorter on the DS which means more games can be made in in a smaller time frame. The whole reason why a lot of 3rd parties even bother with making portable games is to MAKE MONEY to offset rising console development costs. So for 3rd parties the biggest draw for DS is its cheap and easy development cycle which is easier to net a profit and less of a gamble than the PSP's development cycle.
That is the harsh reality of it all. A portable game console can't expect to win the portable market with mp3 playblack and a killer movie selection alone. At some point you have to deliver with the games and not just any games, you need games that resonates with a portable gamers needs. So unless something drastic changes and Sony finds a way to lower PSP development costs to be comparable to the DS's then I don't see the current trend changing. In fact once more universally popular games are released like online Pokemon and new versions of Nintendogs with online capability I expect the DS to pull away from the PSP even more in the western territories.
It's true, but the whole debate there was pretty heated from both sides. It can't be denied that the graphics play a far less important role than expected obviously. Heck, I thought it would be the PSP's killer feature and there were times when I regretted having gotten the DS on launch day and not a PSP.Ignatz Mouse said:
I suppose the feeling I get now is that while a lot of stuff on the DS is gimmicky, it turned out that being able to play PS2 games on the go has something gimmicky about it too. Again, this is how I felt when getting my hands on a PSP with almost all games that were available around launch.
I hope any of that made sense, I'm a bit groggy today.
You keep calling out agendas, point fanboy fingers and speak of anti-psp tactics while really I think that's very harsh. It's don't think it is that black and white. While we disagree almost constantly I still think there were some good discussions, sorry that you don't feel that way.
Your assessment of bias on my side is probably correct however considering that I make a living making games for a nintendo platform, so obviously I want them to perform well. but right now I prefer what they are doing which has not always been that way. Like when I gave my gamecube to my sister and bought a PS2 with 15 games I missed out on.
Ignatz Mouse said:
Is that the new explanation? PSP is priced competitively in Japan given the feature set it has and it hasn't done as well as the DS, certainly not 'killed' it.
Price certainly is an issue for many consumers, but the argument is circular. Sony priced and built the PSP to appeal to a target audience, and it hasn't worked out for them. It's not price, but a failure in strategy.
Also, comparing the PSP to previous handhelds is a bit of a red herring. Someone brought this point up before, but handhelds of the past was at least a generation behind which allowed developers to build gaming experiences that were different than what people can experience at home and at value prices. The PSP was supposed to be a portable PS2, but its turned out to be a machine filled with crippled 'toned down' ports of the exact same game people can buy for their PS2, at exactly the same prices.
Again, it goes back to a lack of vision and probably arrogance on Sony's part. The PSP had great technology, but its execution from the faulty button designs, the analog nub, load times, and software and pricing begs for a lot more. It's just a bad portable ATM.