Guerrillas in the Mist
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Why the fuck did I buy a Seagate drive for my second drive?
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Hard disk reliability examined once more: HGST rules, Seagate is alarming
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GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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Fack I hope my 4TB Seagate external is alright. Gonna buy a WD just in case
Garou
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Funnily, before that model IBM had excellent reliability.
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cyberheater
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So you operate hard drives outside the manufacturers parameters and publish data to the world about their failure rate. SMH.
It's how almost everything in the world is stress tested.
Anyway, I have the 3TB Seagate in question because of fucking course I do. Will I beat the odds again like my launch 360 did? STAY TUNED. Luckily it's only games installed on there, so I'll use it until it dies since I've had it since 2012. It might be OK as a non-OS disk for a little while longer.
Too be honest if they are reliable outside parameters they should be even more reliable within them. People shouldn't just look at the graph because it's misleading because as Back Blaze suggests "All hard drives will eventually fail, but based on our environment if you are looking for good drive at a good value, its hard to beat the current crop of 4 TB drives from HGST and Seagate." within the same report.
Few months ago they toyed with using eco drives in their storage pods and it was disaster. Power cut offs were to frequent ect.
But that doesn't means that eco drives are bad.
And despite that, some break a huge amount more than others.
Funky Papa
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This is how stress tests are done.
Surprising amount of questions about SSDs in this thread.
They are not the same technology. As far as I know they have a pretty well-known lifespan, and don't fail in the same catastrophic way.
The new Samsung 850pro line are theoretically the most reliable drives ever made. Their warranty is 10 years.
They are not the same technology. As far as I know they have a pretty well-known lifespan, and don't fail in the same catastrophic way.
The new Samsung 850pro line are theoretically the most reliable drives ever made. Their warranty is 10 years.
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I think I know a bit more about stress testing hard drives then folks on this board. It's quite possible to push a HD outside it's operational envelope and get it to fail but the drive will still be reliable if operating within the manufactures operational specifications.
Ovek
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Seagate drives are shit and have been for years, every single drive they make is a ticking time bomb of inevitability.
It's not just consumer drives either the enterprise drives are all sorts hell, the last time I had to use them well forced to use them - thanks HP! - the fail rate was insane.
It's not just consumer drives either the enterprise drives are all sorts hell, the last time I had to use them well forced to use them - thanks HP! - the fail rate was insane.
I vividly remember constantly sending Seagate drives back for warranty for failure when they were used in Compaq's. Anyone remember the beige coloured Compaq's?
You could literally (and I use that word literally) hear the HDD's ticking as you walked past them.
That was over 10 years ago. They were rubbish then and I wouldn't touch them today
You could literally (and I use that word literally) hear the HDD's ticking as you walked past them.
That was over 10 years ago. They were rubbish then and I wouldn't touch them today
Funky Papa
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Only that Seagate are consistently shite in real world reliability and Backblaze's experience using them in servers (not exactly dropping them from buildings) seems to corroborate this.
Boaty McBoatface
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I've had multiple Seagate drives fail at work and home, but never an issue with my HGST drives (touch wood).
Always worth backing up!
Always worth backing up!
Prophet Steve
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Ah, an expert are you?
Who could have known that failure rates are higher with stress tests?
tfur
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Not true at all in reference to their enterprise drives. I have nearly a thousand enterprise seagates,as well.has Hitachi. From 1tb 3.5's to 4tb. Also a hundred or so 2.5 1tb as members of raid0 stripes. All of these spin almost 24/7. My oldest are 4.x years old, and have been in near constant use since then. Typical use means continuous iterative write then read streams to near capacity for weeks or months at a time.
Although, this is in a climate controlled data center with perfectly clean power, as well.as almost zero power cycles. Also properly.cooled hand well engineered hardware.
BreezyLimbo
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I've had a Seagate for 4 years. I should really back up shit.
Theonik
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You can get PCI-Express drives at 3.2TB or more. These are not targeted to standard consumers though.
Ovek
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Bravo! But because your experience is different to mine doesn't mean its not true. There is a reason HP now use Hitachi HDs in all of there disk storage systems (StoreServ etc) now.
tfur
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Because Hitachi was the first vendor to make 4tb drives that were firmware compatible with controllers? Because HP iterates slowly? Because its a midrange storage platform? Because vendors made hardware sourcing changes after the floods in east Asia not long ago?
Do you have knowledge from HP themselves as for the change? What model and version of controller is it using?
Why do bigger vendors with larger and more performant solutions still use Seagate?
Bravo...
Even before all these tests were published, years ago I just for some reason didn't like Seagate although I never bought one. Always bought a WD HDD. Guess I had good intuition.
However I did buy a 1TB Seagate external HDD. It's never used and it's only for backups. Hoping that won't die on me but I'd assume it's unlikely considering it's never used except once every 6 months or so.
However I did buy a 1TB Seagate external HDD. It's never used and it's only for backups. Hoping that won't die on me but I'd assume it's unlikely considering it's never used except once every 6 months or so.
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I was a senior engineer for a large company specialising in servers, mainframes and network storage. We supplied Google, Amazon, Oracle etc... My main task was designing and conducting tests on new product introductions of enterprise class hard drives from Seagate, Fujitsu and Hitachi/IBM and completing long term ongoing reliability studies. This also including conducting on site audits of those manufacturing sites and working with their engineering teams to complete on design verification activity etc... So I don't know about being an expert but I does give me some insider knowledge that other folks might not be aware off.
There are lots of external issues that can effect the long term reliability of the drive. How they are handled. The stability of the enclosures in terms of inducing rotational vibration to the drive, temperature profiles, duty cycles, the type of seek patterns uses (butterfly vs sequential reads etc... ). etc... If the operational environment is out width the design goals and specifications of the drive then it will cause high failure rates on drives that would operate perfectly fine environment that is within it's operating envelope.
We did hundreds of thousands of hours of on going long term reliability testing on thousands of Seagate HDD across the whole of their product portfolio and they were one of the most reliable drives if used in enclosures that meet operational specification.
reptilescorpio
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Seagate bought WD last year so prepare for everything to suck or get better.
http://www.storagenewsletter.com/ru...-wd-for-16-billion-new-company-named-seawest/
http://www.storagenewsletter.com/ru...-wd-for-16-billion-new-company-named-seawest/
But HGST is owned by Western Digital. So basically Seagate own everything.
Edit: Wait a second, $16 billion? April 1st?! Dis ain't tru!
The joke's on you.
SpacePirate Ridley
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Shit, now I know why the first one crapped out making me loose everything. It was something like a year, and the store that build my PC changed it for a new one free of charge. I remember him saying the company was a good one, so he didnt knew why it happened. Im pretty sure he just changed it for another, this was some years ago, and I was oblivious when building the PC.
Lo and behold I open my computer now and what do I see? A fucking 500GB seagate.
It doesnt surprise me now that sometimes it bugs out and the PC doesn't read the hard drive (althought it still works and hasn't erased anything thank god). Now I know what to never buy again.
Lo and behold I open my computer now and what do I see? A fucking 500GB seagate.
It doesnt surprise me now that sometimes it bugs out and the PC doesn't read the hard drive (althought it still works and hasn't erased anything thank god). Now I know what to never buy again.
AdventureMike
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I've never had a problem with my older Seagate drives but alarming is definitely the word I'd use for these charts. I haven't bought a fresh new HDD in awhile, but I'll be damned if I won't turn the other way when I see a Seagate now. Jesus christ.
Saintguine
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Seagate gonna Seagate.
I'm constantly on the watch for any sign of driver failure since my old Seagate grenaded itself before the warranty is over and I'm stuck with it still.
I'm constantly on the watch for any sign of driver failure since my old Seagate grenaded itself before the warranty is over and I'm stuck with it still.
Interesting. My father has a bunch of hdds in his file server, and over the years I've had to replace about three of them due to failures. All of them have been Seagate drives. He also had several external drives fail on him over the years and most of them have been Seagates as well.
Naked Snake
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WELP!!
My 3TB Seagate seems to have shit the bed today, Windows shows it as an unlabeled drive and can't access it at all.
AND GUESS WHAT?
My other Seagate drive is having random folders disappearing and Windows forced me to do a repair that resulted in a huge logfile of errors corrected.
One of these drives was the backup of the other.
FML and fuck you Seagate
My 3TB Seagate seems to have shit the bed today, Windows shows it as an unlabeled drive and can't access it at all.
AND GUESS WHAT?
My other Seagate drive is having random folders disappearing and Windows forced me to do a repair that resulted in a huge logfile of errors corrected.
One of these drives was the backup of the other.
FML and fuck you Seagate
HideyoshiJP
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Hitachi is no joke. I know HGST was split off, but the three Hitachi arrays I manage have only had four drives or so go bad out of nearly 200.
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