Harry Potter [Mafia] |OT| “Yer a werewolf, ‘Arry”

Interesting. I was switched again. Same flavour text too. Investigation was Enker, didn't reveal anything.

Also Gorlak is still Umbridge.
 
Alright, here we go Crab:

I'm Sorian. My new and shiny Win 10 upgrade allows me to add vowels to my posts, that's what I call a gamebreaking feature! The glorious bing search showed me the wonders and attributes of my character. As a neutral cowlicker I have to lick everyone alive and survive till the end. My dear reader, you might guessed it already, but I'm telling you a little fairy tale. If you followed MGS you know how I LOVE to invent fake claims, I even pretyped one for this game before the role pm was sent! However the current situation does not allow me to fuck with anyone. The bitter events in life once again take all joy out of the game. My sweet imagination is unnessecary. No shenanigans, all you should await is my ruthlessly candid claim.
 
A tl;dr will be part of the next post.

In the following I deliver the naked truth, no more and no less.

Welcome to a new day in Hogwarts! I'm Dolores Umbridge, aligned with myself. Cops will get "Ministry of Magic" as my alignment. There is no word of a recruitment. I'm a roleblocker. Target Night 1 was Lone_prodigy, I got "distracted", the pm hints hard at Dementors (cold, reliving bad memories, losing joy). Night 2 I targeted roy. Night 3 I went with Christina Mackenzie, I got blocked again. I'm warned about people who might punish me back.
My goal is to survive till the end while punishing everyone. I have to punish every night. The flavour says I'm a bureaucrat, former undersecratary and former short time professor at Hogwarts. By now I only appreciate to keep order anymore. I won't accept bad behaviour, therefore I punish people. A horcrux is not in my possession. There is no word of their existance in my role pm at all. Neither is the existance of Filch mentioned in my role.
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Day 2 was a good day, everything went smoothly, I enjoyed myself and we even managed to get rid of kingkitty. I had the feeling I could achieve my win condition, but no... Stupefy and Crab happened. I suspected him to be scum strongly, because I got crucioed Night 2. This means scum knew my name at the beginning of Day 3. I could not talk about this, because I would've been lynched right away as many pointed out. Actually LoC, L_P and Crab were the candidates who gave themselves away with certain posts (see my read list: #2088). Flame_AC was on the list to inflate my read list (and a former gut feeling). I didn't put Crab on scum suspects because he was keen to jump at any opportunity to stab me. I was weakened, he obviously knew my role and was scum in my eyes (at that time). The general mood was in favour for him, there was no way I could lead a lynch against him. So Crab crashed into the game and swayed every opinion in his favour.

Just a quick reminder: He visited the N1 victim, he claimed being switched without any supporting evidence, put a vote on me without reasoning and nobody cared. He threatened to reveal his PR and actually did just to save 1 townie all the while he could still not be sure about LoC at all as he said. Moreover he "played bad" (his own words) by revealing my name.
All in all he did his best to subtly influence the general views, he basically joined the game yesterday and posted more than anybody (~100posts), the switcher mess was a very thankfull opportunity to make yourself look like town for anybody. He was scum #1 for me, but his claim changed this.

Of course I'm a salty he outed me, because if he is telling the truth, he is clearly in the game to help me, not get me lynched. Anyway, back to my D3 suspects:

LoC (#1580)
He did not mention me once before this post. And the day I got crucioed and stupefied, he draws suspicion towards me before I even show up and reveal my situation. That's why I voted him. He could still be scum, just without any "presence of dark magic" as Crab said aka No power or horcrux?

L_P (#1965)
He offered several of those overviews, but in here he made the important slip! Blarg talked about being tortured Day2, I only talked about being stupefied. The torture clearly refers to the Crucio curse, only scum would knew I experienced the same spells as Blarg.

Crab (#1682)
He calls it "interrogated", which again would rather fit the bill of Crucio than Stupify. Also as I said above, he obviously knew I'm Umbridge, which is why he was the most suspicious one to me. If you look closer at the last day, you'll see various hints from him, that he knows about me, which can be true by his claim. The neutral classification was a subtle hint at my own alignment.

Let's set this aside for the moment and come back to my role. From a flavour perspective BSP can surely provide an overview about how Umbridge is NOT a death eater. She is a very shady and disgusting person, but not a killer. She was always only interested about herself and how she could maintain her position & power. If you want to, look here: Wiki - Umbridge. I'm a true neutral and do not interfere with the win condition of Town or Scum.
Scum had already the task to find "V", it's unlikely they have more people to find. How would this recruiting take place? Tattoo the Dark Mark? Umbridge never had one, Malfoy would fit this far better, but even he wouldn't be scum. If Crab is indeed Argus Filch, why would he know about me if I can become scum? 1:1 tradeoff because start the game with someone knowing scum - is fun? I doubt it. Balancing wise this makes no sense. His role would be to support the neutral to survive himself not to out him...

Some breadcrumbs:

Gorlak said:
Roy was there anything else tonight? "You must not tell lies" was what Harry had to write onto his hand when Umbridge was in Hogwarts. Many other students were punished this way. Now as to her alignment, while she was in charge of Hogwarts I really doubt she is aligned with them. She indirectly supported the Death Eathers? Worked for the Ministry of Magic, even when it was taken over by "V". Probably scum? Maybe neutral?
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- one post I directly referred to my alignment. Scum already knew my role, so I wanted to signal I'm not their enemy. All was written with the intention to survive the night! How should I make clear I'm neutral and not to be killed without giving away my role for everybody? I intended to show them I can support them indirectly (by blocking town) as a neutral (still Ministry of Magic even with V at charge).
Of course this was a lie, I can only survive by playing for town as we all know! If we find a way to choose a roleblock target, I'll be up for it, but we still have a scum switcher at work.

Gorlak said:
Also I do NOT believe we have to deal with Horcruxes.
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- Because I'm Umbridge and I have none, I honestly thought there are no such things in the game.

#1234 - No secret win condition because I got no horcrux.

Gorlak said:
How many horcruxes do you believe to be in the game? 7 sounds too much, maybe the Hufflepuff Cup, Slytherin Locket and Ravenclaw Diadem were left out of the game? The Snake Nagini could be the poisoner and therefore be part of the game. Harry is in here and probably the dairy with Ginny?
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Another hint that I do not have the Locket (I had to pack the info into some kind of fluff speculation, that's why there are more Cruxes named)

1869 - This was Day 3, even though I got blocked Night1. I thought somebody could react to this now! That's why I was keen on TWE and Retroid to talk about roleblock flavour.

#1306 - Ministry of Magic = Neutral

#2428
I'm not recruitable, this was purely speculation by Crab:
Crab said:
Currently she is neutral/non-aligned; I assume she can be recruited if they know who she is.
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As stated above my understanding of good game balancing does not support the idea that one townie knows at the beginning about one scum member.

I knew I would have to come clear rather quickly in the game and did everything I could to survive. On the one hand I tried to signal I'm neutral and have no idea about the horcruxes, so Scum would not kill me. On the other hand I tried to help town as good as I could. I was aggressive and took hard stances to create discussions and find scum. Okay, I have to admit one thing: For the laughs I asked Roy about the spider picture, because I was the only one knowing he spoke the truth about no restrictions on him.

That is all. My faith lies in your hands people of Hogwarts. I'm a true neutral and lynching me will not help you in your chase of the Death Eaters. However my ability to block, can be helpful to your cause! Keep in mind if crab is still alive, he'll die with me according to his claim. Losing two people without getting any closer to scum would be bad for town.
The same goes for scum though, if they kill me, they waste one night to eliminate a neutral survivor.

PS: lol @miracle's theory, it was nice to read how you were not confident about your own thoughts #1774
 
TL;DR:

I'm Umbridge.
True Neutral (aligned with myself, show up as MoM)
Not recruitable
No horcrux
No mention of Filch

Lynching me will lead to the death of Crab. Killing me will only help the other side (I'm not a part of Hogwarts or Death Eaters, your win conditions both do not count me in)
 
If you can't be recruited, why does my role PM mention you being revealed to the mafia? The way it's worded makes it sound like an extra incentive for me not to die, but if you can't actually co-operate with the mafia, it just seems kinda random and I don't really know why we have anything to do with each other. The recruitment was a guess on my behalf, but I still feel like you are hiding details from us, because your win condition is essentially impossible in a game this large and your role is utterly pointless for a neutral survivor. What good does a roleblock do you?
 
Crab could be lying. Crucio (instead of his role PM) would reveal your role as Umbridge. The fact he visited Swamped N1 is still a big red flag and I'm not totally buying the ninja killer theory.

Sawneeks died as expected. Someone has the sword now. Miracle got killed, but not Blarg, Rynam, or Crab. Did anyone get switched?

So, Gorlak, you're a neutral roleblocker? Didn't Retroid say he got roleblocked N1? That means more than one RB. This game, man.

I'm still not certain about the differences between Stupefy and Crucio. Blarg mentioned both, you only mentioned Stupefy. I thought Stupefy removed vowels and Crucio revealed your role, but I guess it's just Crucio doing both.
 
Rynam said:
I targeted our crazy headmaster Blargonaut with my eye.
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That was probably a bad choice - either Miracle or TheGoddamn were switching him, so you likely ended up watching someone random.
 
I didn't realize there was a difference between crucio and stupefy. I thought they were part of one package because they both happened to Blarg, and if they are separate and Gorlak was only stupefied N2, who was crucio'd?
 
Also, seems to be a partial conflict between Rynam saying he will show up as MoM aligned but is sided with Hogwarts, and Gorlak saying he will show up as MoM aligned but is sided with only himself.

I guess it could be purposeful confusion introduced by ninpot for investigation roles but idk.
 
Kawl_USC said:
Also, seems to be a partial conflict between Rynam saying he will show up as MoM aligned but is sided with Hogwarts, and Gorlak saying he will show up as MoM aligned but is sided with only himself.

I guess it could be purposeful confusion introduced by ninpot for investigation roles but idk.
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Which investigation roles, though? We have Blarg, who sees guilty/not guilty or whatever the flavour equivalent is, me, who gets a flavour equivalent of guilty/not guilty that is less accurate, and Rynam, who is a watcher, plus didn't Burb have a quasi-investigative role? What are the odds we have a fifth investigative role to be deceived by that, because it doesn't work on the other four.

I don't buy Gorlak's claim. I know he is a neutral but I think he is concealing important information still.
 
Crab said:
I didn't realize there was a difference between crucio and stupefy. I thought they were part of one package because they both happened to Blarg, and if they are separate and Gorlak was only stupefied N2, who was crucio'd?
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I'm leaning towards this being the case regardless of them being two spells considering they have overlapped twice now. Still a possibility they can be separate as we see the results of night actions today. I had nothing done to me for clarity.
 
I'm also puzzled as to why I got switched again, seems a waste. I sort of understand not killing me if you don't want my role to be confirmed and therefore guarantee Gorlak's lynch, but not the switch.
 
Crab said:
Which investigation roles, though? We have Blarg, who sees guilty/not guilty or whatever the flavour equivalent is, me, who gets a flavour equivalent of guilty/not guilty that is less accurate, and Rynam, who is a watcher, plus didn't Burb have a quasi-investigative role? What are the odds we have a fifth investigative role to be deceived by that, because it doesn't work on the other four.

I don't buy Gorlak's claim. I know he is a neutral but I think he is concealing important information still.
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Well considering we apparently have 2 role blockers, 2 set of switchers/a ninja, I'm not really going to rule anything out. I'm not entirely sold on either of y'all's claims at the moment. For now, I'll wait for more to chime in on what happened last night before pursuing anything in earnest.
 
Crab said:
If you can't be recruited, why does my role PM mention you being revealed to the mafia? The way it's worded makes it sound like an extra incentive for me not to die, but if you can't actually co-operate with the mafia, it just seems kinda random and I don't really know why we have anything to do with each other. The recruitment was a guess on my behalf, but I still feel like you are hiding details from us, because your win condition is essentially impossible in a game this large and your role is utterly pointless for a neutral survivor. What good does a roleblock do you?
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You know what kind of game we are playing? The connection between us is purely flavour wise, because you basically love how I treat people (you love the punishing as well). And yes my win condition is very hard, but I can only play with the cards I got.

For clarification: We have 3 Roleblockers in the game!

Dementor - scum (could be a passive ability of L_P)
Punish - neutral
town spell (got blocked tonight, maybe somebody wants to admit they got blocked before? "red" was part of the pm)
 
Lone_Prodigy said:
I'm still not certain about the differences between Stupefy and Crucio. Blarg mentioned both, you only mentioned Stupefy. I thought Stupefy removed vowels and Crucio revealed your role, but I guess it's just Crucio doing both.
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Crucio and Stupefy are two unrelated spells. Hyper used the Crucio and someone else in the scum team must have the ability to stupefy people. Clearly a strategy to get people defenseless, when their role is revealed (like mine yesterday)
 
Rynam, can you tell us what you saw last night, when you visited Blarg?

Goodbye, dear brother. I shall see you soon, I expect.

T-hat's all, folks! Time to pore over Sawneeks's posts.

Gorlak: I'll go over your posts soon. It's 0335h right now, haha.
 
Gorlak said:
You know what kind of game we are playing? The connection between us is purely flavour wise, because you basically love how I treat people (you love the punishing as well). And yes my win condition is very hard, but I can only play with the cards I got.

For clarification: We have 3 Roleblockers in the game!

Dementor - scum (could be a passive ability of L_P)
Punish - neutral
town spell (got blocked tonight, maybe somebody wants to admit they got blocked before? "red" was part of the pm)
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My role PM's flavour is basically the lovers, yes. That doesn't mean I believe the rest of your story.
 
I feel like we need a spreadsheet for all the actions, items, and claims going around.

Retroid - claimed to be roleblocked N1
MagnumBoy20xx
Kawl_USC
Rynam - claimed watcher, poisoned N3, watched Swamped N1 (saw Crab), watched Blarg N2 (saw TheG), watched Blarg N3 (nothing)
TheExodu5
flatearthpandas
BSP
TheWorthyEdge - claimed neutral, poisoned N2, stole Blarg's Horcrux N2
Gorlak - claimed Umbridge, may die with Crab if lynched, neutral roleblocker, must punish everyone and survive to win, blocked L_P N1 (failed), roy N2 (success), Christina N3 (failed), Crucio'ed N2
Flame_AC
Enker
TheAwesomePossum
Matt Attack
Crab - claimed Filch, knows Gorlak is Umbridge, dies if he's lynched, dark magic cop, checked Swamped N1 (negative), checked LoC N2 (negative), checked Enker N3 (negative)
Blargonaut - claimed Dumbledore, checked kingkitty N1 (scum), Crucio'ed N1, tried to destroy Horcrux N2, had Horcrux stolen by TWE, can also protect
Kalor
TheGoddamn - claimed switcher, knows identity of George (Miracle)
Lord of Castamere - claimed some sort of elf that can absorb killing blows
Christina Mackenzie
Lone_Prodigy
roytheone - punished/RB'ed N2

Item list:
Sword - ?
Ring - ?
Cup - destroyed

Questions for today:
-what did Blarg do last night
-who did TheGoddamn/Miracle switch
-who did TWE sell his Horcrux to
-who got Crucio'ed last night
 
hang on, why is Lone_prodigy a passive dementor? I'm suddenly lost. Rynam targeted Blarg, we don't even know who Blarg got switched on to.
 
Talking points:

Umbridge
Neutral

Lone_Prodigy / Roleblocks:
a) nobody else was distracted by Dementors
L_P has a passive block ability and is scum

b) somebody else was stopped by Dementors and did not target L_P
There is 100% a scum roleblocker in the game, but it tells us nothing about L_P.

LoC
according to Crab we can not be sure about LoC's alignment, which makes Crab's sudden claim slightly... stupid? Than again I can't deny Hyper got catched partly because of this, sidenote: LoC never voted for Hyper.
Very important: He said he'll be dead today, if he's alive we have to question him.

Crab
Between you and me: Why? Why did you do this bs? Blarg, TheG, Miracle and Rynam out in the open and you care to reveal your power for one single (not even confirmed by yourself) townie? You revealed myself, because out of the 5 claimed PRs you are the one to die this night? How? What? Why? Do you truly believe I can become scum and your job is to get me lynched?
 
Lone_Prodigy said:
Unclaimed roles:

-roleblocking Dementor
-Stupefy (seems like a neutral prankster sort of role, or a scum-based silencing tool)
-poisoner (scum)
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the wardrobe switcher is also unclaimed. probably a scum role at this point, too.
 
Lone_Prodigy said:
Unclaimed roles:

-roleblocking Dementor
-Stupefy (seems like a neutral prankster sort of role, or a scum-based silencing tool)
-poisoner (scum)
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I would find stupefy being neutral almost certainly not the case. Over laps on N1 and N2 seems to big of a coincidence. (Although Blarg being Blarg and Gorlak being such an active poster is the only reason I don't say definitely not)
 
L_P option a) is out of the game

It all depends who rynam tried to watch aka Blarg got switched with. If it was L_P, we got scum. If not, somebody else is the roleblocker.
 
Gorlak said:
Talking points:

Umbridge
Neutral

Lone_Prodigy / Roleblocks:
a) nobody else was distracted by Dementors
L_P has a passive block ability and is scum

b) somebody else was stopped by Dementors and did not target L_P
There is 100% a scum roleblocker in the game, but it tells us nothing about L_P.

LoC
according to Crab we can not be sure about LoC's alignment, which makes Crab's sudden claim slightly... stupid? Than again I can't deny Hyper got catched partly because of this, sidenote: LoC never voted for Hyper.
Very important: He said he'll be dead today, if he's alive we have to question him.

Crab
Between you and me: Why? Why did you do this bs? Blarg, TheG, Miracle and Rynam out in the open and you care to reveal your power for one single (not even confirmed by yourself) townie? You revealed myself, because out of the 5 claimed PRs you are the one to die this night? How? What? Why? Do you truly believe I can become scum and your job is to get me lynched?
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Rynam claims dementor blocked last night. However until we know who got switched with Blarg it is still possible he ended up watching L P.
 
Gorlak said:
Crab
Between you and me: Why? Why did you do this bs? Blarg, TheG, Miracle and Rynam out in the open and you care to reveal your power for one single (not even confirmed by yourself) townie? You revealed myself, because out of the 5 claimed PRs you are the one to die this night? How? What? Why? Do you truly believe I can become scum and your job is to get me lynched?
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Two reasons: firstly, my role mechanics. I didn't want to die and have whatever is going on with you happening without town's knowledge. I still don't trust you. Secondly, on reflection I think that actually I'm relatively safe from the mafia as long as you're alive. Until town decides what they want to do with us, there's no point in killing me - it just confirms my story about you, and I'm certain they must want something from you for some reason, given my role. I'm not certain that you can become scum, but I do think you are of use to the mafia and that you are lying about much of your role claim.
 
Crab said:
Two reasons: firstly, my role mechanics. I didn't want to die and have whatever is going on with you happening without town's knowledge. I still don't trust you. Secondly, on reflection I think that actually I'm relatively safe from the mafia as long as you're alive. Until town decides what they want to do with us, there's no point in killing me - it just confirms my story about you, and I'm certain they must want something from you for some reason, given my role. I'm not certain that you can become scum, but I do think you are of use to the mafia and that you are lying about much of your role claim.
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Okay, I understand your position. Here is the thing. There was no mention of horcruxes in Hyper's role pm as well.

There is the chance, that I do have the Slytherin Locket, but I don't know this. Purely speculation. The thief was in the possession of the Locket as well, but flavour wise it was a big quest to get it back from me in the story.
 
also, thinking about it, you are 100% not a survivor, because as long as you have roleblock mafia have an incentive to kill you, and if I'm dead, they know about you, which means not only do you have to survive, I also have to be alive really for you to stand any chance of winning, so it's even harder than a normal survivor. I am almost fully confident salva and nin would not make your role like that.
 
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Or rather a cowlick with a goal of having all remaining players be marked at the end of the game. Instead of just a set number of successful marks.
 
Gorlak has a good point about L_P. If Blarg was switched with L_P, then I'd say he's a strong lynch candidate.

Until then, this seems like the best course of action to me. Lynch Gorlak...he is certainly hiding things about his role, and killing him will make it clear whether or not Crab is lying. If Crab doesn't die, we lynch him tomorrow. Worst case scenario: we kill a neutral today. Best case scenario: we kill a neutral today and scum tomorrow. One and done.

Vote: Gorlak
 
Kawl_USC said:
Or rather a cowlick with a goal of having all remaining players be marked at the end of the game. Instead of just a set number of successful marks.
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Look at Sorian's cowlicker role, he had to lick everyone alive too. Don't blame me for putting such a tough win condition for this role into this game.
 
Gorlak said:
Crab what exactly do you investigate and how does it clear LoC from any suspicion?
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My command is VISIT. It reveals, quote, "the presence of dark magic". I don't think it clears LoC from all suspiscion. If it is a Horcrux detector, he could be Horcruxless, and if it just a plain Death Eater finder, he could be whatever the flavour equivalent to the Godfather is (Lucius Malfoy, maybe)? Nevertheless, it was enough for me to be confident in overturning his wagon onto Hyper particularly when I had to reveal you anyway.

Plus I townread him, which is, y' know, more important than mechanical stuff anyway.
 
TheExodu5 said:
Gorlak has a good point about L_P. If Blarg was switched with L_P, then I'd say he's a strong lynch candidate.

Until then, this seems like the best course of action to me. Lynch Gorlak...he is certainly hiding things about his role, and killing him will make it clear whether or not Crab is lying. If Crab doesn't die, we lynch him tomorrow. Worst case scenario: we kill a neutral today. Best case scenario: we kill a neutral today and scum tomorrow. One and done.

Vote: Gorlak
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Don't you understand? The worst case is killing two non scum people today. How does that help you achieving your win condition?
 
Gorlak said:
Look at Sorian's cowlicker role, he had to lick everyone alive too. Don't blame me for putting such a tough win condition for this role into this game.
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Yeah but you also role block in addition to marking, which makes you a higher priority target. So that's two additional kinks thrown into an already difficult role.
 
Gorlak said:
Don't you understand? The worst case is killing two non scum people today. How does that help you achieving your win condition?
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Painfully, I agree with you here. At least temporarily, I think we benefit from keeping Gorlak around. For the moment we can threaten to lynch him if he doesn't use his Night Action to obey us. I'd like someone like Blarg to investigate him for us to see if it turns up anything different, but if Gorlak's role is survivor and nin and salva are just really mean, then he can win with us and indeed help us. The longer he's around, the longer I'm around too, which is obviously good because I am town's best player. #TownLeader
 
I don't believe that Gorlak would have such a difficult win condition. You'd have to be marking only people who don't end up dying to even have a chance. He's hiding something big.
 
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