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Has any other game being dismissed in the past and became as appreciated today as DOOM 64?
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anthraticus
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Wasn't it just one
Game is great...it couldn't have had bad reviews across the board.
Loke
Member
I thought it had good reviews at least, the jump to 60+fps and popularity of DOOM 2016 probably helped.
Doom 64 started to get recognition before that especially around 2008 when Doom 64 EX by Kaiser was released which was a pretty big deal since you didn't need to rely on the console or an emulator anymore to play it.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Windwaker got plenty of praise back then. It was only years later when people started to admit that it didn't have enough dungeons and fishing for Triforce was the absolute shits. It's the worst 3D Zelda.
nkarafo
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The topic is about the game not being a big deal for either at the time.
Afterwards it got the appreciation it deserved though. PC players were the first who noticed with the highly successful and popular DOOM EX project.
TwiztidElf
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As per the "there are no good modern arcade racers anymore" thread.
Blur is now getting the love it always deserved.
Wreckfest is the new kid on the block. It was my personal 2019 goty, so its nice to see it getting the attention is deserves finally.
Blur is now getting the love it always deserved.
Wreckfest is the new kid on the block. It was my personal 2019 goty, so its nice to see it getting the attention is deserves finally.
PlayerPurple
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I'd put DmC: Devil May Cry up there.
Especially in comparison to Rising, which many praised as the infinitely better game in 2013. Almost seems like the opposite now.
Especially in comparison to Rising, which many praised as the infinitely better game in 2013. Almost seems like the opposite now.
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Naked Lunch
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Interesting. Doesnt match with me.
I remember always thinking it was the best version of old school Doom.
I rented this game like mad back in the day.
I remember always thinking it was the best version of old school Doom.
I rented this game like mad back in the day.
mxbison
Member
Yeah, it's almost like Crysis would've been received better if it had worse graphics so people appreciated the gameplay more.
Come On Tars
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TP is worse, Skyward Sword is worse. C'mon man
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No Man's Skya
Petaya Berry
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This always happens with Pokémon games.
In this very forum people were talking shit about Pokémon Black and White (and their sequels) at time. And today they are considered the best ones (by people who usually do not play these games, go figure).
In this very forum people were talking shit about Pokémon Black and White (and their sequels) at time. And today they are considered the best ones (by people who usually do not play these games, go figure).
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Dr. Suchong
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I imported Turok and Doom64 thinking that Turok would swallow up more of my time.
Ah the Irony.
Ah the Irony.
Dr. Suchong
Member
Arkane needs more recognition in general.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
ButchCat
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As far as systems go it’s Arkane’s most immersive sim game yet, the problem I had with the game and why I stopped playing it are is the shitty loading screen time. You are travelling between different areas constantly and to do that you have to endure the painstakingly long loading screens, it just killed the pacing of the game for me.
carlosrox
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People with good taste.
carlosrox
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lol, Nope.
It's not always a dick measuring contest between games either.
Solid game in 2021 which means it was a solid game in 97.
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Ceadeus
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I remember gamepro magazine giving Doom64 5.0 review, praising the game. The review was the page right before Turok review which was given 5.0 too!
I can think of Demon's Souls getting sad reviews at the time. Also Monster Hunter Freedom.
Sometime, critics just fail to see through true potential and novelty and also fail to adapt to new styles. They lack versatility.
Shut0wen
Banned
Demon souls got great reviews though, magazine i read at the time gave it 10/10
mancstheps5fanboy
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that sneaky special weapon on last level, through false wall , via timed switches,... bring back timed secrets ffs.
So first person shooters used to be called corridor games?Here's how DOOM 64 was received in UK and most of Europe:
The "it's not really DOOM" line is especially ironic reading it nowadays.
nkarafo
Member
Yeah, i remember they used the term "corridor shooters" a lot.
That and "Doom clones".
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LazyParrot
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That was after the original release, though. When the game first came out in Japan it got middling reviews and Shuhei Yoshida himself famously thought it was crap. The only reason it later got North American and European releases was due to positive word of mouth from players who had imported Asian copies of the game.
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NeoIkaruGAF
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There is no universe in the multiverse where TWW was dismissed at release. If anything, it’s overrated today as it was back then.
Doom 64 was “more Doom” and a 2D game in the year Goldeneye changed console shooters forever. Doom was already old news in 1997, the market and press were pushing even the worst 3D graphics like the second coming of Christ, and a lot of people had relegated 2D to the past forever.
I don’t have reviews at hand, but I can easily imagine Symphony of the Night not getting glowing reviews for the same reasons.
Bonfires Down
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Even though I don't particularly like the game myself, the first one I think about is the original Nier. Got crushed pretty hard by some reviewers but definitely found an audience.
OmegaSupreme
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Doom 64 was always great for those of us who played it. It was also an expensive cart iirc
Guardian's Light
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Came here to say Driveclub, and I also think for Wind Waker is actually the opposite
Back when I was a kid and the game launched, I kept hearing about it like it was the second Christ's coming
Nowadays, 9/10 I hear people talk shit about it, like wtf haha
Guardian's Light
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Also, more than another Driveclub: the thread, this is either Pokémon Black and White: the thread, or an Emerald / whole third gen one
Shitstorms back then, now everywhere is full of people praising the games? What the hell?!
Shitstorms back then, now everywhere is full of people praising the games? What the hell?!
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01011001
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I know that everyone I knew disliked MegaMan Legends at the time of release... including me. I played the beginning of it back then and absolutely hated it.
more than a decade later Kyle Bosman releases a video on GameTrailers about Tron Bonne (a spin-off game to Legends) and I was intrigued...
so I loaded MM Legends and Tron Bonne onto my PSPgo and started playing them... and I loved them.
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also Wind Waker is a very obvious candidate
more than a decade later Kyle Bosman releases a video on GameTrailers about Tron Bonne (a spin-off game to Legends) and I was intrigued...
so I loaded MM Legends and Tron Bonne onto my PSPgo and started playing them... and I loved them.
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also Wind Waker is a very obvious candidate
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JeremyEtcetera
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Jeff was extremely harsh on games of that era(PS1/N64/Saturn). I respected his opinions even though I didn't always agree because to be fair most of them ran at poor framerates and looked like ass.
I always forget how wrong that dude is about certain things.
01011001
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yeah people forget that these games ran like absolute ass and played like ass on that controller. this is not the 120fps mouse controls version we know these days
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carlosrox
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Yeah I remember that. Think I used to call them that quite a bit too at the time.
Futaleufu
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By 1997 it had to compete with games like Blood, Shadow Warrior, Duke Nukem 3D, Quake, Turok and Hexen II, all better more innovative games.
People acting like Doom 64 was among the best FPS of the era are revisionists Nintendo fanboys.
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SpongebobSquaredance
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It didn't need to compete with half of those as they were not available for consoles. Also, Doom 64 became popular because of Doom 64 EX, a port done to the PC. This has nothing to do with historical revisionism. As OP pointed out, the game receiving better reviews now than back then speaks volumes.
01011001
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but Duke Nukem 3D is a game that came out at the time and a game that was WAY better. Doom 64 is liked these days because it is a somewhat classic style Doom game. it is the retro appeal that people like about it.
and while it wasn't a bad game, there were games at the time that actually did new things and had way more elaborate and innovative Leveldesign etc.
while Doom 64 is basically the same old Doom only that it now ran in a new engine. which isn't a bad thing but at the time, when the retro appeal was not there, it was somewhat underwhelming
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SpongebobSquaredance
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Games like Quake or Turok did a whole lot more on the technical side of things and I also would agree that Duke 3D or Blood are better games (I also like those games better than vanilla Doom tbh), however, Doom 64 managed to hold its own over the years and going back to it it's just a very well made shooter. Aesthetically it aged very well and gameplay-wise it is classic Doom. The soundtrack is very dense too. I think a lot of critics back then failed to see the game as its own entity and were too biased because of titles like Quake and Turok so they didn't give Doom 64 a fair shot. Nowadays that doesn't matter much anymore though.
nkarafo
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It's not just that though.
Doom 64 is appreciated today in the N64 scene because it's a technically more advanced DOOM game than any of the other console ports and even the PC version as well. It has very complex level design with no compromises, more so than DOOM 2 even, while the other console ports had to make sacrifices to the original levels, runs smoother than all N64 fps games (basically, it's perfect 30fps at all times) and actually uses the hardware to push the DOOM engine further (it's still the same engine).
Games like Turok and Goldeneye are more advanced, of course, but unlike DOOM 64, they have been surpassed by modern 3D FPS standards and their technical faults are showing. Turok is now mostly known for it's fog and Goldeneye for it's unstable frame rate. Which is bullshit IMO but that's how it is. DOOM 64 on the other hand is still the most advanced classic DOOM that was released officially. It has the complex architecture and labyrinthine design a DOOM game needs but dialed to 11, all the monsters a DOOM game needs and the speed/smoothness a DOOM game needs. People even consider it as the real DOOM 3. It's a DOOM without faults (except for the stupid shotgun reload animations missing).
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plasmawave
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