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Paramount embraces Blu-ray
Warner expected to make similar move this week
By Scott Hettrick 10/2/2005

OCT. 2 | In a stunning announcement Sunday morning, Paramount Home Entertainment has decided to support Sony's Blu-ray Disc format for the next-generation of high-definition DVDs.

Although Paramount will continue to support Sony's rival, the HD DVD platform from Toshiba, the studio is the first to end its singular commitment to one format, which both sides had hoped would give the industry its best chance of avoiding a Betamax/VHS-like format war.

With Warner and Universal expected to follow suit very shortly, Paramount's decision potentially throws the decision once again into the hands of consumers and retailers next year. Both formats are expected to be introduced next spring.

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Thomas Lesinski, Paramount Pictures president of worldwide home entertainment, one of the staunchest supporters of HD DVD, said in a statement Sunday that the studio will release movies on Blu-ray in North America, Japan and Europe as soon as Blu-ray hardware launches in those markets.

"We have been intrigued by the broad support of Blu-Ray, especially the key advantage of including Blu-Ray in PlayStation 3," Lesinski said in a statement. "After more detailed assessment and new data on cost, manufacturability and copy protection solutions, we have now made the decision to move ahead with the Blu-ray format. We believe the unique portfolio of Viacom content coupled with this format will provide great benefit for consumers and our shareholders alike."

A format war is precisely what studios, hardware manufacturers, retailers and consumers desperately want to avoid. The introduction of two incompatible formats has the potential to cause a much slower adoption of a new format for their movies, games, music and other programming, as consumers hesitate to pick one for fear of selecting the next Betamax that quickly will be obsolete. Studios and hardware manufacturers managed to find a compromise solution on DVD, which led to the introduction of the most successful consumer electronics product ever.

With the DVD market rapidly maturing and slowing to single-digit growth rates, media companies, which derive most of their studio revenue and profits from DVD, are pressuring their home video and consumer electronics units to get the next-gen format into the market as quickly as possible, whichever one it is, in order to rejuvenate sales of their vast libraries of TV, movie and music programming on discs.

"All we're doing is guaranteeing a format war," said a top exec at one studio DVD division about the Paramount announcement.

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment president Ben Feingold said that while the Paramount announcement is very important to the Blu-ray camp, "being on both formats will confuse the consumer."

Several execs in each camp believe the Paramount announcement to publish in both formats—which is the direction Warner has been leaning for the past week or two with a similar announcement expected this week—is simply a temporary face-saving strategy and that ultimately all studios will shift completely over to Blu-ray by launch time.

"Launching with a single format is the only way to get back quickly to double-digit compound growth," Feingold said.

Universal would not comment, but if Warner does announce that it also will publish in both formats, Universal is expected to be pressured to reluctantly follow suit.

Warner's softening position was believed to be what motivated Microsoft and Intel to announce support of HD DVD last week.

But many said at the time that announcement was too little, too late.


A big setback for HD DVD was the delay of the launch of its HD DVD players from this holiday season until sometime next year. Blu-ray has always set mid-2006 as its launch date, most likely with the launch of Sony's PlayStation 3 videogame system, which will incorporate Blu-ray. Microsoft will not commit to including HD DVD in its next-gen Xbox 360 system.

In fact, the PlayStation 3 factor—Sony will not be swayed from introducing Blu-ray as the format is locked as a component in millions of PS3 machines next spring—is believed to be what has turned Paramount and Warner around in their thinking.

And major hardware companies including Sony, Samsung and Panasonic are expected to announce shortly that they will have Blu-ray players in the market by next spring, regardless of when the PS3 systems are launched.


WHV is believed to be under great pressure from parent Time Warner, which has its own pressures relative to the recent stock performance challenges by Carl Icahn, to do whatever it takes to get a high-def disc to market at the earliest possible time in order to rejuvenate the maturing DVD market.

Sources say Paramount was prompted to action by the imminent announcement of Warner.

Although it would be a little more expensive to release movies authored and inventoried in two different formats, it's something the studios have done before with Betamax and VHS and even laserdisc and 8mm, in some cases. And it's something the videogame industry has become used to.
 
Several execs in each camp believe the Paramount announcement to publish in both formats—which is the direction Warner has been leaning for the past week or two with a similar announcement expected this week

—is simply a temporary face-saving strategy and that ultimately all studios will shift completely over to Blu-ray by launch time.

Sources say Paramount was prompted to action by the imminent announcement of Warner.


If Warner info is true, HD-DVD AM DOA TOTAL!
 
good news, although interesting that Warner are rumoured to be doing the same. Suggestion in the article is that they are looking for an out - i.e. dual format now, quietly launch bluray and maybe a few HD-DVDs, then gently drop the latter.

As an aside, anyone in the UK amazed at the uptake of UMD? Maybe the later launch helped, but there is a lot coming out day and date with DVD, and I saw TV ad with 'coming Monday on DVD and UMD'.
 
This whole situation is completely fucked up. The two camps should really just come together and settle this silly fued once and for all. Have they no forsight or even common sense?
Didn't Sony take onboard Toshiba's tech last gen? I think it should be vice versa this time around and just get this thing over and done with.
 
LOL I did expect Paramount and Warner to try to stay HD-DVD exclusive at least until PS3 arrival :lol :lol but clearly the profits they'll make with Blu Ray are too big to be ignored.
Of course Universal will follow,they won't accept to be the fool of the village.
 
If you read the article it says they will support HDDVD too

Although Paramount will continue to support Sony's rival, the HD DVD platform from Toshiba, the studio is the first to end its singular commitment to one format, which both sides had hoped would give the industry its best chance of avoiding a Betamax/VHS-like format war.

they are hedging their bets to sell movies to people who normally woudlnt buy a dvd player but own a ps3

smart move
 
EternalDarko said:
This whole situation is completely fucked up. The two camps should really just come together and settle this silly fued once and for all. Have they no forsight or even common sense?

I disagree.

is simply a temporary face-saving strategy and that ultimately all studios will shift completely over to Blu-ray by launch time.

Sources say Paramount was prompted to action by the imminent announcement of Warner.

Soon....everyone'll be on the BR side...that's - everyone EXCEPT Microsoft and Intel. Never forget.
 
Izzy said:
I disagree.

Soon....everyone'll be on the BR side...that's - everyone EXCEPT Microsoft and Intel. Never forget.

doubtful.. everyone cites the whole betamax/vhs war but the truth is much closer to the dvd+.- R "War". As we all know that war ended in a stalemate and eventually combination drives. Granted the formats were not as different as these 2, but with big backers liek intel and MS HDDVD will not just go away.
 
EternalDarko said:
This whole situation is completely fucked up. The two camps should really just come together and settle this silly fued once and for all. Have they no forsight or even common sense?
Didn't Sony take onboard Toshiba's tech last gen? I think it should be vice versa this time around and just get this thing over and done with.


There really is no competition between HD-DVD and Blu Ray except for the crap the media is trying to make it out ot be. Blu Ray is in prime position to completely dominate HD-DVD from a support standpoint. A year from now this won't be an issue and HD-DVD will be a memory.
 
crunker99 said:
they dont have to "save" it they jsut have to keep on using it

It's all about contents. MS and Intel do not provide content.
They'll just allow to install HD-DVD drives really quickly in PCs.
 
"And how will MS and Intel save HD-DVD?"

Vista : HD-DVD distribution only = every new PC ships with a HD-DVD. ;)

(if they wanted to _really_ force the issue)

that would make the PS3 installed base look tiny ;)
 
VisionaryQuest0 said:
So soon there will be no reason whatsoever to even get HD-DVD.

But you may have to install some device drivers if you want to use BRD on a PC! :lol
 
windows could also make the new media center edition only work with hddvd or thigns of that nature.. there are a bunch of possibilites
 
DCharlie said:
Vista : HD-DVD distribution only = every new PC ships with a HD-DVD. ;)

(if they wanted to _really_ force the issue)

that would make the PS3 installed base look tiny ;)

Antitrust am cry :lol :lol
 
DCharlie said:
Vista : HD-DVD distribution only = every new PC ships with a HD-DVD. ;)

(if they wanted to _really_ force the issue)

that would make the PS3 installed base look tiny ;)

If they wanted to _really_force the issue, they would have shipped X360 with HD-DVD drive.
 
DCharlie said:
Vista : HD-DVD distribution only = every new PC ships with a HD-DVD. ;)

(if they wanted to _really_ force the issue)

that would make the PS3 installed base look tiny ;)

Er...yeah...that won't be happening. They still rely too much on CD installing right now than DVDs, but point taken.
 
Actually, if they wanted to _really_ force the issue they could use the monitor-based DRM to have a screaming Ballmer appear any time someone tried to play a BRD disc.
 
MS and Intel can do nothing to save HD-DVD. Toshiba has a chance to unify the format. They had the inferior product from day 1. They had a chance to save face. Now it's ovre and done with. Someone post the format alliances again...the updated one that includes Paramount on the BD side, and soon to be announced Warner support. BD has everyone but Universal now. Paramount just about destroyed the cost argument with their comments. The better format will win out this time. Now it's really a question of whether or not BD can make an immediate dent in DVD sales. Or will it be more of a laserdisc scenario? PEACE.
 
Izzy said:
If they wanted to _really_force the issue, they would have shipped X360 with HD-DVD drive.

QFT. This is what also leads me to believe MS will not go to any extremes to support the HD-DVD format. If they really wanted to they would have by putting it in their 360's. They know better now to try and pull any anti-trust bullshit.
 
PS3 with Blu-Ray reader for the win!

2007 PC with Blu-Ray burner (50GB DL BD-ReWritable? mmmmmmmmmmm... ) for the win!

HD-DVD for the losers.
 
MS forcing Longhorn to only run with HD-DVD would be an anti-trust case of epic proportions.

It's simply never going to happen, no matter how much you dream.
 
Only a month ago:

The battlefield is still echoing with the sounds of battle that has just been waged. HD-DVD is sitting on a hill and is licking its wounds after receiving a heavy blow: Universal Music Group (UMG) has joined BDA (Blu-ray Disc Association), and implicitly, it has announced its support for this organization.

This decision comes almost two weeks after BDA enlisted another valuable ally: Twentieth Century Fox and the announcement of the content protection system for Blu-ray discs.

When it comes to movie studios and record companies HD-DVD is backed by: Universal Pictures, Warner Home Video and Paramount Home Entertainment, while Blu-ray has: Walt Disney, Twentieth Century Fox, Sony BMG Music Entertainment and Universal Music Group.

Two weeks ago, had an equal number of supporters among the music and film companies, but once Universal Music Group has announced its support for Blu-ray, BDA has gained an edged over HD-DVD. It’s interesting to notice that while Universal Pictures is among the supporters of Toshiba’s format, HD-DVD, Universal Music Group has announced its support for Blu-ray.

If over the next months, a record company or movie studio will announce their support for Blu-ray, Sony’s format will become unbeatable. And it seems that it will happen sooner than we had anticipated, Lions Gate Home Entertainment being expected to announce today its support for Blu-ray.

Today:

-HD-DVD camp (Universal Pictures, Warner Home Video and Paramount Home Entertainment)
-BRD camp (Walt Disney, Twentieth Century Fox, Sony BMG Music Entertainment and Universal Music Group, Paramount Home Entertainment, Lions Gate Home Entertainment )
 
Wow this is the most unintelligent discussion I've seen yet.

checkbox + checkbox = teh winnar
list this = winnar
Sony am bettar WINNAR
blah blah am cry!

Talk about narrow minded blind fanboyism. This format war goes way beyond CONSOLES and the USA. I tried to bring reason/rationality/reality into this discussion in the other HD threads, but all you guys do is see more PR and revert back to "OMG this am dead because ______ PR says so." Open your eyes and look at things from a BROAD WORLDWIDE perspective instead of world revolves around Sony/USA and you'd see things differently. BD isn't a god among formats, and HD-DVD isn't DOA. Can't believe how much assuming you guys do, sad....
 
Tenacious-V said:
Wow this is the most unintelligent discussion I've seen yet.

checkbox + checkbox = teh winnar
list this = winnar
Sony am bettar WINNAR
blah blah am cry!

Talk about narrow minded blind fanboyism. This format war goes way beyond CONSOLES and the USA. I tried to bring reason/rationality/reality into this discussion in the other HD threads, but all you guys do is see more PR and revert back to "OMG this am dead because ______ PR says so." Open your eyes and look at things from a BROAD WORLDWIDE perspective instead of world revolves around Sony/USA and you'd see things differently. BD isn't a god among formats, and HD-DVD isn't DOA. Can't believe how much assuming you guys do, sad....

Now it is. Thanks for coming in throwing around broad assumptions and generalizations with no point or adding anything to back up or even begin a discussion. Bravo.
 
Tenacious-V said:
Wow this is the most unintelligent discussion I've seen yet.

checkbox + checkbox = teh winnar
list this = winnar
Sony am bettar WINNAR
blah blah am cry!

Talk about narrow minded blind fanboyism. This format war goes way beyond CONSOLES and the USA. I tried to bring reason/rationality/reality into this discussion in the other HD threads, but all you guys do is see more PR and revert back to "OMG this am dead because ______ PR says so." Open your eyes and look at things from a BROAD WORLDWIDE perspective instead of world revolves around Sony/USA and you'd see things differently. BD isn't a god among formats, and HD-DVD isn't DOA. Can't believe how much assuming you guys do, sad....

When it comes to format wars, PR battles are just as important as the secret, behind-the-scenes dealings between companies. It's the mindshare derived from all the hubbub, advertising, and PR briefs that help an installed base develop.
 
Ponn01 said:
Now it is. Thanks for coming in throwing around broad assumptions and generalizations with no point or adding anything to back up or even begin a discussion. Bravo.

WOW, way to assume, go read previous HD threads and you'll see my explanations are VERY in depth and explanatory. I give reasonings for not assuming who will win and blatantly following one format.
 
Tenacious-V said:
WOW, way to assume, go read previous HD threads and you'll see my explanations are VERY in depth and explanatory. I give reasonings for not assuming who will win and blatantly following one format.

Why should I do your legwork. If you got something to add then say it. If you think HD-DVD still has a strong fighting chance in China or Japan then please spill it. I live in the USA so sorry if I don't know the econimics or driving force of Next Gen Movie and disc formats in other countries but if you care to elaborate then do so but don't just come in and shit on a thread with "You all are fanboys and blind and if you care to know why go look up some past threads were I posted".
 
Tenacious-V said:
Open your eyes and look at things from a BROAD WORLDWIDE perspective instead of world revolves around Sony/USA and you'd see things differently.

Paramount president agrees:

Thomas Lesinski, Paramount Pictures president of worldwide home entertainment, one of the staunchest supporters of HD DVD, said in a statement Sunday that the studio will release movies on Blu-ray in North America, Japan and Europe as soon as Blu-ray hardware launches in those markets.

"We have been intrigued by the broad support of Blu-Ray, especially the key advantage of including Blu-Ray in PlayStation 3,"
 
Tenacious-V said:
WOW, way to assume, go read previous HD threads and you'll see my explanations are VERY in depth and explanatory. I give reasonings for not assuming who will win and blatantly following one format.

Still waiting for that benefits of BR post.....
 
Culex said:
MS forcing Longhorn to only run with HD-DVD would be an anti-trust case of epic proportions.

It's simply never going to happen, no matter how much you dream.

Of course.

"We have no plans to build native Windows support for Blu-ray or other HD formats," said Jordi Ribas, technical strategy director for Microsoft's Windows Digital Media Division. "That doesn't mean third parties could not build that support on their own."
 
Tenacious-V said:
WOW, way to assume, go read previous HD threads and you'll see my explanations are VERY in depth and explanatory. I give reasonings for not assuming who will win and blatantly following one format.

Playstation 3. End of story.

For all your indepth analysis and explanations, there's little that can counter a guarantee of an install base 1000+% larger than your rival's within 18 or so months.
 
Ponn01 said:
Why should I do your legwork. If you got something to add then say it. If you think HD-DVD still has a strong fighting chance in China or Japan then please spill it. I live in the USA so sorry if I don't know the econimics or driving force of Next Gen Movie and disc formats in other countries but if you care to elaborate then do so but don't just come in and shit on a thread with "You all are fanboys and blind and if you care to know why go look up some past threads were I posted".

You want me to restate then fine. I'll quote what I said before.

I think people are overlooking/underestimating a few points here. MS/Intel wouldn't just go with HD-DVD to spite Sony and PS3, that's the dumbest reason/rationale anyone could possibly make, it may have a slight slight impact, but not a defining reason to back/reject a format designed to replace dvd for the foreseeable future. If you look at things from an unbiased perspective, you'd see why both MS and Intel (both behemoths of companies) chose this route.

1) The ability to legally make copies of content you've purchased. This is one of the biggest reasons here. Consumers have the right to duplicate content if they own the material. HD-DVD allows this, BD is still uncommitted. That's a huge factor, you should be able to do what you wish with content you own. Just because of piracy issues, BD does NOT have the right to just prevent the consumer from doing this. MS knows it, Intel needs it, HD-DVD provides it. BD should look at what the consumer who is actually purchasing the material wants, not what Hollywood and the Industry dictates to them. This is an important factor I think people are underestimating.

2) It's not smart to ASSUME that BD will have hybrid DVD/BD. HD-DVD has it, and it's proven and reliable and will be in mass production. This creates a feeling of "safety" for the consumer. Nobody wants to get burned again with another BetaMax incident, and having that feeling of backwards compatibility and a good transition from DVD to HD-DVD would greately help the consumer in easing them to HD. BD on the other hand has yet to officially implement it into spec, they've stated it's going to be implemented in the future, but as of right now it's not happening and it's all only promises. With the uncertainty of how this market will actually go who's to say if they will actually implement it, don't assume it will be.

3) Upgrading facilities is important as well. It takes something like 1.5 - 1.7 Million dollars to upgrade existing DVD facilities to produce BD, and 2 Million for each new mastering system for BD. HD-DVD on the other hand only takes something like 150 Thousand to be able to press HD-DVD discs. A lot of companies won't take the plunge of millions of dollars to upgrade when they operate on a 10-15% margin. That's just way to big of a risk with no guarantee of return or with the success of the format. HD-DVD on the other hand is a somewhat less risky venture with backwards compatibility and hybrid ability at a much much lesser cost of upgrading. It's a smarter move from a business standpoint.

4) I think many of you guys are really underestimating the impact of China's backing of HD-DVD. Formats don't just revolve around US and Japan as many of you may be thinking, that's such a narrow scope and somewhat ignorant viewpoint. I think a lot of you are underestimating just how much China does these days. 75% of DVD players out there are from China, that's a MASSIVE MASSIVE amount, that's worldwide domination!! The widespread acceptance of DVD players was due to China's pushing to reduce the cost of the format to mainstream budgets. DVD really took off when 50-150 buck players hit the market, and who made this happen?? You guessed it, China did. We'd be way behind the progression/acceptance of the format if China hadn't pushed so hard, hell VHS may still have been the dominating format. So if HD-DVD is backed by China, that's HUGE. The first format to get the prices low enough for widespread acceptance will be most likely the winner, and more likely than not, HD-DVD has that better chance.


What most people see is just BD capacity is > HD-DVD capacity BD IS BETTAR!!! They don't realize that there are a lot more aspects to this war that aren't so black and white. I'm not saying that BD is doomed by any means, I'm just saying some of you guys are dismissing HD-DVD prematurely and really underestimating it's ability to gain widespread appeal. It's not so doom and gloom, there's many factors that can come into play here. BD isn't as dominating as you many think.

DarienA said:
Still waiting for that benefits of BR post.....

I could do that, but I don't think I need to... Most everyone here is backing BD with a passion anyway. You can see from this thread they already assume victory and put HD-DVD as DOA without any true reasoning/rationality. I only stated what I did for HD-DVD cause all I saw was a hardcore 1 sided following, and I wanted to at least show that HD-DVD isn't just a POS. But look at what happened just from when I posted this last time to now, it went right back to BD AM WINNAR anyway......
 
I tried to bring reason/rationality/reality into this discussion in the other HD threads

:lol

The only reality is that BRD is a higher capacity format which means more space for media and more options for people who use optical storage devices to backup their computer's files. You'd have to be a retard to want the inferior format to win out.
 
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