HDTVTest - LG G5 OLED Gets Higher Brightness & Better Colours without MLA!

MISTER INVEIGLER said:
I just upgraded my 55 C1 to a 75 QM8(2024). I realized that I really prefer brightness over black levels. Having great black levels are a bonus. As OLED brightness levels start to catch up to Mini LED brightness, Mini LEDs are starting to catch up to OLED black levels. I would be really concerned about burn-in if I had a OLED that got as bright as my QM8.
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Had many OLED tvs. My laptop's also with an OLED screen. Been using OLED screens for 5-6 years. No burn-ins so far.
 
I'm sure this new model will be great - lot of overly defensive owners of old TV's here, as always in these kind of threads.

Pretending that 3, 4, 5+ year old TV tech is better than 2025 top of the line stuff is an odd hill to die on imo.

I'm fortunate enough to have a Sony A95L, but when the A95M or whatever new QD-OLED Sony comes out with later this year to replace it, it'll be better - that's just how things are. 🤷‍♂️
 
Damn, disappointing MLA is being abandoned. If they can hit higher nits on the G5 without MLA, MLA might have put them into a playing field competitive with the latest miniLED options in terms of brightness and bright living room scenarios. Then again, it might have killed their already thin margins given how expensive OLEDs are already.
 
I love watching G-series owners get hosed. MLA was a terrible technology that washed out colors.

Imagine spending that much money on a non-QDOLED screen.
 
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Chiggs said:
I love watching G-series owners get hosed. MLA was a terrible technology that washed out colors.

Imagine spending that much money on a non-QDOLED screen.
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MLA does not wash out colors. It only magnifies what is present. WOLED panels rely heavily on the white subpixel for brightness, which means the display tech will always have less color volume than QDOLED, and even high end miniLEDs like Sony's Bravia 9 that use strictly RGB.

If MLA were applied to a QDOLED, it would result in a noticeably brighter television, with the incredible color volume of that tech intact.

MLA does have the drawback of raised blacks if there is ambient light in the room, however.
 
They need to focus on processing and motion resolution.. Not fucking brightness every year. How am I meant to(and alot of us) upgrade from the c1/G1 since it was the last TV with 120hz bfi? LG also needs to take a note from Samsung and Panasonic and look into motion interpolation in game mode that doesn't add a shit ton of input lag, as honestly it is goat'ed for 30 fps games on an oled.
 
LG should work more on WebOS. I used to like it but now it's showing too many ads which makes the OS less responsive.
 
I love my C1 (apart from a dead pixel), but having moved to a bigger house in the last year, I want to get a bigger, brighter TV. It still performs great when it's dark, but when there's sunlight in the living room is barely watchable.

I was thinking of upgrading to a G4, but I'd like to understand how much brighter a G5 can get.
 
MISTER INVEIGLER said:
I just upgraded my 55 C1 to a 75 QM8(2024). I realized that I really prefer brightness over black levels. Having great black levels are a bonus. As OLED brightness levels start to catch up to Mini LED brightness, Mini LEDs are starting to catch up to OLED black levels. I would be really concerned about burn-in if I had a OLED that got as bright as my QM8.
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Blooming on the QM8 is very limited. Mini led screens are indeed catching up fast and they're way more affordable.
 
The new Samsung is pretty impressive as well. 2000 Nits on a 10% window and 400 Nits full screen. Would be fine even in a decently bright room.
 
I'm so content with my C1 I disabled its internet connection years ago so that LG can't artificially make it deteriorate with its firmware updates.
 
RoadHazard said:
Sony doesn't make OLEDs anymore AFAIK.
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Sony never made OLEDs. They took LG and Samsungs panels and slapped their (often superior) enhancements into the panel.

Picture and audio quality wise they were mostly the best. Gaming feature-wise, they were the worst with only two HDMI 2.1 ports.

Sony hasn't quit OLED/QD-OLED they just didn't release a new model last year as they didn't feel the need, which made sense.
 
JohnnyFootball said:
Sony never made OLEDs. They took LG and Samsungs panels and slapped their (often superior) enhancements into the panel.

Picture and audio quality wise they were mostly the best. Gaming feature-wise, they were the worst with only two HDMI 2.1 ports.

Sony hasn't quit OLED/QD-OLED they just didn't release a new model last year as they didn't feel the need, which made sense.
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I know they never made their own OLED panels, I obviously meant OLED TVs.

Last year it kinda sounded like they were indeed quitting OLED, but we'll see I guess.
 
Brightness doesn't matter at all for years now


HDR can be blinding and sdr is played at 100 nits anyway
 
rofif said:
Brightness doesn't matter at all for years now


HDR can be blinding and sdr is played at 100 nits anyway
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800-1000 Nits is fine playing in a dark room with little to no ambient light, but as soon as you play in a room lit by daylight, or with the lights on at regular brightness, it is no longer that good at all. For HDR to have that same impact you get in a dark room you would need several times that perceived brightness due to the Weber-Fechner law. Basically for something to be blinding in a bright pre-existent environment it needs to be significantly brighter to be perceived as such.
 
Zathalus said:
800-1000 Nits is fine playing in a dark room with little to no ambient light, but as soon as you play in a room lit by daylight, or with the lights on at regular brightness, it is no longer that good at all. For HDR to have that same impact you get in a dark room you would need several times that perceived brightness due to the Weber-Fechner law. Basically for something to be blinding in a bright pre-existent environment it needs to be significantly brighter to be perceived as such.
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You don't play in a room with day light. Or at least too much of it.
It always scews the picture.
Think about it. It's not about those 800-1000 nits areas of picture. These are still visible.
But you will cover these 0-100 nits areas with daylight and mush them together.

Any amount of critical viewer is to be done in a room that's in shadow during daylight or with at least half blinds closed.
The task of oled is not to battle the sun. Your picture would need to start with black at 3000 nits for that lol.
 
rofif said:
You don't play in a room with day light. Or at least too much of it.
It always scews the picture.
Think about it. It's not about those 800-1000 nits areas of picture. These are still visible.
But you will cover these 0-100 nits areas with daylight and mush them together.

Any amount of critical viewer is to be done in a room that's in shadow during daylight or with at least half blinds closed.
The task of oled is not to battle the sun. Your picture would need to start with black at 3000 nits for that lol.
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I do play in console games in a very well lit living room during the day. Hence I use a Bravia 9 for that which goes up to 3000 Nits. My previous Oled was simply not impactful enough with all the ambient light. For my gaming room it is very dark and hence Oled is fine there.
 
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Zathalus said:
I do play in console games in a very well lit living room during the day. Hence I use a Bravia 9 for that which goes up to 3000 Nits. My previous Oled was simply not impactful enough with all the ambient light. For my gaming room it is very dark and hence Oled is fine there.
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it goes up to 3000 nits and that's fine. The highlights are still impactful.
But the day light is still covering over all the dark areas in the game
 
Meh no need for me to upgrade for many years to come at the small incremintal updates they do.

Current setup is 65" E8 for Living room, 55" C9 for bedroom, 55" G1 for office/game room, and 42" C2 for 2nd pc screen for 4k PC/PS5 gaming (alienware 34" QD-OLED being my main pc screen).

I plan on buying a new house in 2-3 years and want to build a 77/83 G series screen into a theater of sorts - but will cross that bridge when I get there.

Mini LED development is starting to get interesting. Got my son a 55" TCL QM7 and it looks freekin amazing outside of harsh viewing angles for a fraction of OLED prices.
 
Ulysses 31 said:
So it can display movies mastered in 4000 or 10000 nits more accurately.
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yeah and it will still all look the same to naked eye. Our brains are shit at comparing brigghtness.
800 nits? 1200 nits? that's about the same to naked eye
 
Exentryk said:
Will stick with C9 till it dies. Still looks great and 120 hz is more than enough.
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I'll stick with CX for the same reason, I only use consoles anyway. I knew that when I bought it, the big breakthrough for the coming years was just done. It was about HDR, 120hz and VRR. That would set me for the PS5 era. You're fine with the C9 until maybe PS6.
 
rofif said:
it goes up to 3000 nits and that's fine. The highlights are still impactful.
But the day light is still covering over all the dark areas in the game
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No direct light on the screen and that's what the anti glare coating is for. It's not perfect but a damn sight better than a 1000 Nits Oled. Ideally it should be brighter still for a bright room, but TVs still need to get better on that front.
 
Zathalus said:
No direct light on the screen and that's what the anti glare coating is for. It's not perfect but a damn sight better than a 1000 Nits Oled. Ideally it should be brighter still for a bright room, but TVs still need to get better on that front.
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Maybe that's because I sit at arm distance to my 48" c1.
it's just a monitor on my desk.
So using flashbang in games really hurts lol.
I will upgrade to c4 or c5 anyway but I don't think these are any brighter
 
Never been more happy with a TV than my G4. Switched from a C1. Gonna keep it for 3 to 4 years.

MLA is like the honeycomb light distribution structure from the Sony XE93 we have downstairs. Works fantastic, to expensive to manufacture, not on the replacement models.
 
Dibils2k said:
which is the biggest drawback of QDOLED isnt it
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qdoled issue with samsung is rgb structure. White pixel job is all to extend the life on an oled by taking the abuse since the organic material used for white pixel is the most durable.
rtings tests show qdoled burning out way faster due to higher wattage of pixels and absence of white pixel.

I mean, it probably still should survive a decent amount so if it's this good looking, it might still be worth it
 
Samsung as always will fucking not tell you what you are buying:



As for brightness debate, I always have my windows covered - I hate sunlight. OLED brightness below 1000 nits is non issue to me.

At night my eyes hurt after some time when HDR is turned on, so brighter panel would make them suffer even more. It's with Warm 50 BTW.
 
The Best Buy warranty on my LG C1 is coming up soon so I gotta figure out what I want to turn it in for. I was hoping the technology would have advanced further by now in terms of solving OLED brightness issues.

I wish the Samsung S90D had Dolby Vision and then it would be perfect. The LG C4 barely seems like an upgrade over what I have now.
 
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Bojji said:
Samsung as always will fucking not tell you what you are buying:



As for brightness debate, I always have my windows covered - I hate sunlight. OLED brightness below 1000 nits is non issue to me.

At night my eyes hurt after some time when HDR is turned on, so brighter panel would make them suffer even more. It's with Warm 50 BTW.
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yeah I do warm50 too all the time.
And for me, HDR can make my head hurt a bit if I have a worse day with less sleep for example and I am susceptible to headache.
And c1 only tops at 800.. and that is scorching bright at times.
So if we get these 5000 nits tvs one day, We will be seeing a lot of guides how to dim them down for users who game at their desk.
My apartment is also in shade most of the day. And I play mostly at evenings anyway
 
CloudShiner said:
Pretending that 3, 4, 5+ year old TV tech is better than 2025 top of the line stuff is an odd hill to die on imo.
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Assuming that the latest model is always superior, despite the knowledge that large corporations are always looking to streamline manufacturing and the associated costs, is also a bit naive. This point is further compounded when you accept that a good majority of reviews are from outlets that need to maintain a good relationship with vendors. Hello, Caleb from Digital Trends!

I've seen calibrated C3s and C4s side by side and you'd have to fork over some real cash to get me to say that the C4 is the better TV with a straight face.

Wintereq said:
It lacks support for Dolby Vision. It's a huge deal breaker.
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I don't get the Dolby Vision stuff. I bet most folks can't even tell the difference between it and HDR10 or 10+, except if the Dolby Vision logo appears in the upper corner.

But if you put a QDOLED up against a WOLED, I bet those same people could very well tell the difference.

rofif said:
qdoled issue with samsung is rgb structure. White pixel job is all to extend the life on an oled by taking the abuse since the organic material used for white pixel is the most durable.
rtings tests show qdoled burning out way faster due to higher wattage of pixels and absence of white pixel.

I mean, it probably still should survive a decent amount so if it's this good looking, it might still be worth it
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I think you might be going off outdated info.

www.rtings.com

Longevity Burn-In Test: Updates And Results From 100 TVs

Our accelerated longevity test has been running for almost two years now, and from full-on panel failures to image retention and LCD degradation, we've already encountered some interesting results.
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We've uploaded the 18-month results to each review. There's very little that's new to report this month; most of the LED TVs on the test are continuing to degrade (especially edge-lit models, more on that in a few days!). All OLED TVs are now showing signs of permanent burn-in. The Samsung S95C OLED remains the most resilient of the OLED models, showing only slight signs of burn-in.
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