HDTVTest - LG G5 OLED Gets Higher Brightness & Better Colours without MLA!
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
How can rtings claim that though? What anti burn in features does samsung have?Assuming that the latest model is always superior, despite the knowledge that large corporations are always looking to streamline manufacturing and the associated costs, is also a bit naive. This point is further compounded when you accept that a good majority of reviews are from outlets that need to maintain a good relationship with vendors. Hello, Caleb from Digital Trends!
I've seen calibrated C3s and C4s side by side and you'd have to fork over some real cash to get me to say that the C4 is the better TV with a straight face.
I don't get the Dolby Vision stuff. I bet most folks can't even tell the difference between it and HDR10 or 10+, except if the Dolby Vision logo appears in the upper corner.
But if you put a QDOLED up against a WOLED, I bet those same people could very well tell the difference.
I think you might be going off outdated info.
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And how can they say it is more resilient than LG oled if they didn't get burn in on competitive lg oled model?
Anyway - I might be outdated on this... so I am letting it go
Xaeroxcore666
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I've got a couple of months ago my first OLED, a 55" B4, and i love it!
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
No. The people spending these kinds of dollars on TVs do care. Those that don't are buying cheap Hisense /TCL TVs.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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Why? 4k240 is going to be impossible unless you like playing games with shit graphics.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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I've got an 83" C3 and the TV is so fucking dark despite watching in a pitch black room and with HDR on.
Try watching Batman Begins / Dark Knight / Dark Knight rises. Blacks look so severely crushed.
Furthermore, the average picture brightness with Game Mode is bad. OLED TVs are 90% there, but the picture can suffer with 'intense' bright scenes and the colours momentarily desaturate. This can be common in games where you have intense usage of HDR.
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Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
My friend had a C9 and I got a C1 and to my novice eyes the performance was similar. I think it's more fun to upgrade after many interations as you can actually see and experience the upgrade.
ShirAhava
Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
Good Marketing
DV is a meme at this point. When people bring it up as if its some type of deal breaker its hard to take them seriously.
Buying 11 year old inferior panel tech (W-OLED) w/ DV over the latest Samsung QD-OLED HDR10+ flagship models that blow LG completely out of the water for around the same price makes no sense
Not even getting into how many DV titles aren't even mastered correctly and look like dogshit and how many of those titles that are done correctly are you actually personally interested in? 5? 10?
dotnotbot
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Thankfully it's easy to tell by the full model name - "DAE" in the model name always means WOLED, "DAF" (US) or "DAT" (EU) means QD-OLED. So next year it's probably going to be FAE for WOLED and FAF/FAT for QD or something similar.
So they don't want average clueless consumer to get confused over the differences but at the same time they aren't hiding it much.
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Jinzo Prime
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You can do that? Is it like trading in a old phone for a new one?
cinnamonandgravy
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shame their largest sizes always seem to miss out on the top features.
want big ass hdmi2.2 8k tv, but maybe wouldve bought a 97" g5 if it had all the bells and whistles.
want big ass hdmi2.2 8k tv, but maybe wouldve bought a 97" g5 if it had all the bells and whistles.
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Nonehxc
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That seems to be a C9 'feature'. Mine 55' C9, which I gave to my dad, developed some on the margins, ( I think I first saw them at the 1 year mark, maybe more maybe less) and then a few more as time passes, but not many. Can't be seen unless you're about to snort the panel.
That said, it's almost 6 yo and still going very strong and with nary a dimming nor burn-in despite being blasted daily with normal TV.
april6e
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Not exactly. Basically there has to be an issue with your television. However, Best Buy is very lax on what they'll except as an "issue". So if you just claim that your set has a dead pixel, they'll in most cases just accept your return (as long as you have an active warranty) and allow you to swap it for a newer model and you just pay the difference in price.
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dotnotbot
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That's wild considering a lot of OLED TVs have at least 1 dead subpixel somewhere right from the beginning.
GymWolf
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Panasonic it is then.
I didn't liked my experience with lg compared to my previous panasonic oled.
GymWolf
Member
I have an lg c1 and its game mode look like shit, other than having shit color accuracy out of the box and not everyone of us does the professional calibration (i don't trust calibrators in my city and i'm too lazy to buy the instruments and do it alone).
Panasonic has both better color accuracy out of the box and you can use game mode with every video mode, so i can use game mode inside a mode with realistic colors and not just use their game mode if i don't like how it look.
And i heard that sony is the best for upscaling and i watch a lot of low res stuff, so that could be a huge plus if true.
The only good thing i can say about my c1 is that has more high perf hdmi ports than most brands.
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Hudo
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Hmm. I have never considered Panasonic. Maybe I should take a look at what they've got.
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GymWolf
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Last panasonic oled i had was considered the best overall oled tv of that year, i think it was 2018 or 2019.
Hopefully they are still as good as they were.
Xtib81
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I mean, you have one of the best TVs on the market. You're good to go for a couple of years. I feel like 5-6 years between two purchases is the sweet spot.
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Makoto-Yuki
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my OLED is almost 5 years old. there are a fuck load of dead pixels all around the edges.
still under warranty.... might see if they can replace it
still under warranty.... might see if they can replace it
Xtib81
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my OLED is almost 5 years old. there are a fuck load of dead pixels all around the edges.
still under warranty.... might see if they can replace it
My 5-year warranty is expiring in a few months and I'm honestly considering going hard to make sure I have burn in so they can replace it ^^
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dotnotbot
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Z95A was G4 with worse processing and worse accuracy even after professional calibration, that's why it lost to all competitors in Vincent's shootout.
Also poor suppression of white subpixel overshoot compared to LG C4/G4. LG implemented new dithering algorithm for 2024 TVs to hide this issue well and the results were much better compared to Sony/Panasonic.
Pana is a shadow of itself, they no longer do anything better than their competitors. Even factory calibration isn't as good as it was on pre JZ series TVs.
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hououinkyouma00
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I work with a guy that used to call it the LG OLED upgrade program sort of like what Apple used to have because he would always just say that the device started to shut down randomly.
He would simply use the money to buy the new one and rebuy the warranty.
His last G2 got physically damaged by his kid throwing a pair of nail clippers at it though so they wouldn't do it and he just moved to a Hisense Mini LED I believe.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
My face is stupid and I don't get money for it
Audiophile
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I wonder if they can eventually get the yields up and somewhat improve the ambient light issue on MLA, eventually integrating that on top of this to compound the brightness gains.
Folks dump on increasing brightness but it's less about that in and of itself but the knock on effects for mapping curves, increasing colour volume, increasing efficiency at lower levels (if you continue to push your peak capabilities, everything below that can be done with greater accuracy and efficiency) and in the longer run hopefully solving motion resolution issues. If we can get to a 240Hz panel with 10K+ nits peak and 1K+ nits windowed, then we could have 4x BFI effectively resulting in CRT-like motion clarity at or above current brightness levels.
All that said, I think uniform UV MicroLED with Quantum Dot filters is likely the future (rather than RGB MicroLED or even QDEL) and might come about before we get close to these levels with OLED.
Folks dump on increasing brightness but it's less about that in and of itself but the knock on effects for mapping curves, increasing colour volume, increasing efficiency at lower levels (if you continue to push your peak capabilities, everything below that can be done with greater accuracy and efficiency) and in the longer run hopefully solving motion resolution issues. If we can get to a 240Hz panel with 10K+ nits peak and 1K+ nits windowed, then we could have 4x BFI effectively resulting in CRT-like motion clarity at or above current brightness levels.
All that said, I think uniform UV MicroLED with Quantum Dot filters is likely the future (rather than RGB MicroLED or even QDEL) and might come about before we get close to these levels with OLED.
Audiophile
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I'd have agreed til the newer developments around Ultra-Violet MicroLED, basically a uniform MicroLED panel but instead of RGB LEDS, White LEDs with filters or Blue LEDs with partial filters, it uses UV LEDS to excite RGB Quantum Dots.
They also build in a 4th subpixel as standard for redundancy and maximising yield, so as long a 3 are functioning they can just place the quantum dots differently and have a fully functioning pixel.
The quantum dot "ink" can even be self-cured by the UV light during the process. If they can also pair all of this with smaller panels in say a 5x5 or 10x10 arrangement then it could drastically increased yield. They can now manufacture the edges of smaller MicroLED panels at half the pixel pitch, resulting in near visually seamless bonding, especially if -- unlike commercial modular displays -- very flat and placed under under a glossy monolithic panel.
They can even use the same mini panel sizes across multiple larger displays, scaling display resolution with display size while accepting and effectively scaling 4K or higher resolutions.
For eg:
As it stands I believe yields on normal MicroLEDs are averaging 8 dead subpixels per every large 4K panel. With a UV MicroLED, a panel will fail based on whether or 2 or more subpixels are dead per full pixel. Add on a highly modular approach and it's whether to not 2 or more subpixels are dead per mini panel; of which a display could consist of 25, 100 or 400. Take into account the simpler panel with uniform UV MicroLEDs and the already well established QD technology, and just a few things can rapidly compound each other.
Unlike WOLED there's also zero potentially visible leakage because we can't see UV light; and in terms of safety, the QDs will absorb most of the light and the 'glass' panel can have a uv blocking layer in it to eliminate any remainder.
I do believe OLED may eek out the 8K nits range and has room to grow, but I think this type of MicroLED is by far the most promising as it solves pretty much every major issue and could be about the consumer space at a premium by the end of the decade.
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Insane Metal
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Review by the best reviewer! TV is a beast!
dotnotbot
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Except atrocious near-black gradation, unacceptable for the price. Apparently they're working on a fix but remember first and most important rule - never buy promises.
I've seen complaints about posterization from previous year model owners (particularly in game mode) and this is even worse.
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blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Can't believe they still haven't sorted that out.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
same here
waiting for 8k/120 but that might be a while.
if next year is 240hz + even brighter panel... i might do it.
Insane Metal
Member
Yeah, well, it isn't without its problems. I'd take the QD-OLED over it anyway. 
Edit: last year they got 144hz and this year 165hz. This is pretty darn good.
Edit: last year they got 144hz and this year 165hz. This is pretty darn good.
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Very impressive TV overall but yeah, I would not want to spend $$$$$ on that.
I'm interested in his teaser for Sony's 2025 OLED. My hope is a mid-range QDOLED, like a S90D but with Sony's processing and build quality. Wouldn't get as bright as the flagship models but it would be killer as a mid-range option. It's probably WOLED though; guess we'll find out April 2nd.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
Sony event on April 2nd
fersnake
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your own tanning machine i guess.
Insolent
Banned
Damn
You've never seen the white color
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Enough people would pay for? come on..great feature but talk about extremely niche for an incredibly small amount of customers
Shaki12345
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Every single person would want to play 30fps games in a fluid manner. Nobody wants the shitty 30fps OLED's produce. Nobody.
Wintereq
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I'm painting walls just now in my apartment. With white color.
Corporal.Hicks
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I was thinking of getting a 4K 240Hz QD OLED soon, but I have heard that QD OLED monitors arnt bright enough and have very noticeable ABL in HDR1000 content and only HDR400 is usable. I do not want to spend 1000 dollars only to be disappointed .
LG G5 OLED is much brighter thanks to "tandem oled" technology, so maybe it's a good idea to wait for the tandem OLED monitors, which shoukd offer much better brightness in HDR as well.
.LG G5 OLED is much brighter thanks to "tandem oled" technology, so maybe it's a good idea to wait for the tandem OLED monitors, which shoukd offer much better brightness in HDR as well.
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I collect VHS tapes
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maybe I'm just not tech savvy, but I see absolutely zero reasons to upgrade from my C1. the image quality is still VERY good to me.
Insolent
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I collect VHS tapes
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let me show you one reason
c1
g4
bravia9
I don't know what this even means. Which is supposed to be the best? Maybe the full effect isn't hitting me because I'm on my phone right now and not a big screen
Insolent
Banned
color separation and accuracy