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[Tams]

Henry Cavill just can not catch a fucking break lately.

At least the

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Cavillrine

happened.

 

[FunkMiller]

Basically, the current political climate and everyone jumping on leftist, purity ideal will make the show impossible to be faithful to WH40k. Considering WH40k and its entire lore is basically antithesis of what politically correct leftists believe.

Also, GW will never agree to something that they don't have the power over Amazon and writers when it comes to their IP and Henry Cavil; is just too much of a faithful fan of WH40k to compromise to anything to not repeat the Witcher mistake.

It was a pipe dream from the beginning.

Sorry, but only someone who is clueless about 40k, and has just seen a few pictures of Space Marines could think this. GW leans left politically. Don't go looking at the Twitter profiles for the authors, you'll have an aneurism.

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These kinds of threads just become excuses for people with political axes to grind to come in, talk about something they don't understand, and get poochy when people call them out on it.

Might as well just lock the thread

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I'm not saying that Henry Cavill is hard to work with, I literally have no idea.

But, I can imagine having an actor with an outsize influence on a production might create the kind of situation where the guy who's paid to look good while saying the words might not be automatically the right person to be in charge of the direction of the show with influence on the writing, the directing and the overall time management and budgeting of a project, which some people might imagine is a simpler process than it is.

I would also say that while plenty of people appear to think he looks wonderful and talks a good talk:

Tall, god level physique and handsome looks, charming, passionate about his roles and the source material, he's a dream come true for any filmmaker.

is he a producer? Is he the right person to get a film/tv show made? This news might suggest he might not be.

A lazy reference, but given that they both worked on Mission Impossible, I wonder if he's trying to do what Tom Cruise does but doesn't have as much industry experience as Cruise does.

EDIT: Cavill may also not have anything to do with any of the things I'm positing either. He might have just put himself out there to do some PR and whip up a bit of enthusiasm, which is of course a big part of the reason to hire a name actor.

 

[FewRope]

So many braindead takes about 40k in here, my god

 

[Trilobit]

I'm not saying that Henry Cavill is hard to work with, I literally have no idea.

But, I can imagine having an actor with an outsize influence on a production might create the kind of situation where the guy who's paid to look good while saying the words might not be automatically the right person to be in charge of the direction of the show with influence on the writing, the directing and the overall time management and budgeting of a project, which some people might imagine is a simpler process than it is.

I would also say that while plenty of people appear to think he looks wonderful and talks a good talk:



is he a producer? Is he the right person to get a film/tv show made? This news might suggest he might not be.

A lazy reference, but given that they both worked on Mission Impossible, I wonder if he's trying to do what Tom Cruise does but doesn't have as much industry experience as Cruise does.

EDIT: Cavill may also not have anything to do with any of the things I'm positing either. He might have just put himself out there to do some PR and whip up a bit of enthusiasm, which is of course a big part of the reason to hire a name actor.

The outrageous behaviour some snowflakes have complained about Cavill is him wanting shows showing at least some respect for the source material.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

The outrageous behaviour some snowflakes have complained about Cavill is him wanting shows showing at least some respect for the source material.

Yeah, but unless someone tells you what the original agreement was, you have no idea how this is playing out. It certainly seems that half the people in this thread don't agree with what the politics of this particular franchise is. Maybe someone's got it wrong in the production and that's what the argument is about - which side of the argument different people are on you don't know. The side that you're backing might have it wrong for all you know.

Also, creative differences could mean all sorts of things. It might mean making sure that a particular character is played a certain way. But it could mean some hugely expensive thing needs to be onscreen in one person's opinion, but not to another decision maker. Someone might be demanding that a giant battle that'll cost millions to be created is the first 3 minutes that people see and thinks it's integral to the production. In original discussions, it might never have been explicitly described or may even have been assumed that because it's so expensive that the scene would be expressed as a series of still images with a voiceover. Or perhaps they set the budget before negotiations were complete and they don't have the budget for the cast AND that scene because a couple of agents have negotiated a bigger fee for their clients. Or perhaps there isn't capacity at the VFX houses to get it done on schedule.

For any number of reasons things can become impractical, and that could be the kind of creative difference we're talking about.

 

[DeafTourette]

I don't know much about 40K but anything sci-fi is something to look forward to!

 

[Trogdor1123]

I don't know much about 40K but anything sci-fi is something to look forward to!

It is pretty much the best sci fi universe in my mind. It’s story has literally millions of year of back story, loads of unknown that will never ever be explained, and incredible characters. It’s not all overly serious either. Some of the stuff is actually just silly fun adventures and some is even funny. Most of it is super serious though

If you like sci fi, get into the series.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Basically, the current political climate and everyone jumping on leftist, purity ideal will make the show impossible to be faithful to WH40k. Considering WH40k and its entire lore is basically antithesis of what politically correct leftists believe.

Also, GW will never agree to something that they don't have the power over Amazon and writers when it comes to their IP and Henry Cavil; is just too much of a faithful fan of WH40k to compromise to anything to not repeat the Witcher mistake.

It was a pipe dream from the beginning.

Games Workshop is pretty left-leaning and becoming even more so. You should see the older editions where it was a lot darker but they've toned it down quite a bit to appeal to mass audiences. So I don't think that's going to be entirely an issue.

I'm not saying that Henry Cavill is hard to work with, I literally have no idea.

But, I can imagine having an actor with an outsize influence on a production might create the kind of situation where the guy who's paid to look good while saying the words might not be automatically the right person to be in charge of the direction of the show with influence on the writing, the directing and the overall time management and budgeting of a project, which some people might imagine is a simpler process than it is.

I would also say that while plenty of people appear to think he looks wonderful and talks a good talk:



is he a producer? Is he the right person to get a film/tv show made? This news might suggest he might not be.

A lazy reference, but given that they both worked on Mission Impossible, I wonder if he's trying to do what Tom Cruise does but doesn't have as much industry experience as Cruise does.

EDIT: Cavill may also not have anything to do with any of the things I'm positing either. He might have just put himself out there to do some PR and whip up a bit of enthusiasm, which is of course a big part of the reason to hire a name actor.

I think a lot of the stuff with Henry Cavill is just for public relations. At the end of the day I doubt he would have much anyways and I think the show is going to be done with or without him eventually.

 

[T8SC]

. You should see the older editions where it was a lot darker but they've toned it down quite a bit to appeal to mass audiences. So I don't think that's going to be entirely an issue.

When you say "earlier editions", you must mean 7th or something because it was bright green and red back in 2nd and it wasn't for mass audiences then with it's bright colour scheme either.
Warhammer didn't start in 2010.

So dark.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

When you say "earlier editions", you must mean 7th or something because it was bright green and red back in 2nd and it wasn't for mass audiences then with it's bright colour scheme either.
Warhammer didn't start in 2010.

So dark.

Have you seen some of the artwork in books in the earlier editions? The Space Marines were hideous as all hell. Very inhuman.

 

[T8SC]

Have you seen some of the artwork in books in the earlier editions? The Space Marines were hideous as all hell. Very inhuman.

Again, early Warhammer was colourful. Which era are you talking about? because it wasn't the early days.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Again, early Warhammer was colourful. Which era are you talking about? because it wasn't the early days.

To be fair it's still pretty colorful. I guess it always has been but I'm talking about some of the black and white artwork contained within the books. The Space Marines had a lot more nodes and wiring that made them look a heck of a lot more like something on a Clive Barker. They've toned it down a bit.

 

[DeafTourette]

To be fair it's still pretty colorful. I guess it always has been but I'm talking about some of the black and white artwork contained within the books. The Space Marines had a lot more nodes and wiring that made them look a heck of a lot more like something on a Clive Barker. They've toned it down a bit.

Like these?

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Like these?

Yeah but even more grotesque. I honestly couldn't tell you what eddition it was. But the ones I've seen looked nothing like Titus, for example.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Now something that does have any curious is what kind of movie are we going to expect or should I say series for Warhammer 40,000?

I mean the budget would be pretty high when it comes down to Space Marines versus whatever.

So it's possible this may be something more on the line of Inquisitors hunting down Heretics or even a Rogue Trader show. The latter is basically dark Star Trek so they might be worried about being too similar to other things if that were to occur, I'll tell you h'wat.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

 

[Spooky Scary Skeleton]

Sorry, but only someone who is clueless about 40k, and has just seen a few pictures of Space Marines could think this. GW leans left politically. Don't go looking at the Twitter profiles for the authors, you'll have an aneurism.

Never have I ever implied that GW leans left politically. You need a serious reading comprehension if this is what you inferred after reading my post.

Games Workshop is pretty left-leaning and becoming even more so. You should see the older editions where it was a lot darker but they've toned it down quite a bit to appeal to mass audiences. So I don't think that's going to be entirely an issue.

I'm talking about the lore behind 40k, which is the antithesis of what the left stands for. Not the company itself. I couldn't care less if the company is leaning left, right, center or extreme right. I'm talking about how protective they are with their IP and will never let companies like Amazon Studios, Paramount to control the writing when creating a show. The writers would want to include some politically correct shenanigans just to fit their company political identity quota, which is exactly what happened to shows like LotR and Halo.

Which I said it's a pipe dream to think there would be a genuine show about 40k, unless GW is directly involved with writing and control of the tv show, and they would definitely not want bunch of writers to change the lore of 40k just to fit the current political climate.

 

[Spooky Scary Skeleton]

double post

 

[FunkMiller]

Never have I ever implied that GW leans left politically. You need a serious reading comprehension if this is what you inferred after reading my post.

I'm talking about the lore behind 40k, which is the antithesis of what the left stands for. Not the company itself. I couldn't care less if the company is leaning left, right, center or extreme right. I'm talking about how protective they are with their IP and will never let companies like Amazon Studios, Paramount to control the writing when creating a show. The writers would want to include some politically correct shenanigans just to fit their company political identity quota, which is exactly what happened to shows like LotR and Halo.

Which I said it's a pipe dream to think there would be a genuine show about 40k, unless GW is directly involved with writing and control of the tv show, and they would definitely not want bunch of writers to change the lore of 40k just to fit the current political climate.

Okay, let's interrogate your claim that the 40k lore is the 'antithesis of what political leftists believe':

People on the left think that authoritarian, right-wing, religious government is a terrible idea.

Please tell us what about the 40k lore says to you that the Imperium Of Man is not depicted in this way. How is it supportive of right wing ideology? How is any of the 40k lore?

...and also, I never implied you said GW leans left. I was telling you they do. Ironic that you criticise my reading comprehension

 

[Trogdor1123]

I’m thinking they are waiting to see how Space Marine 2 does and want to ride that wave.

Bit off topic? How is Warhammer +? It worth trying?

 

[FunkMiller]

Bit off topic? How is Warhammer +? It worth trying?

Not really. The amount of content is severely lacking, and that doesn't appear to be changing any time soon. All feels a bit half-arsed, to be honest.

 

[T8SC]

Not really. The amount of content is severely lacking, and that doesn't appear to be changing any time soon. All feels a bit half-arsed, to be honest.

The Tithes is a new animation coming soon, a new trailer just dropped today.

Aside from that, I agree, it's just battle reports that are free on YouTube by others, Lore masters which is basically free from ArbitorIan and painting tutorials which you can get from Duncan Rhodes and elsewhere, free.

Edit: Tagging Trogdor1123 as he originally asked.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Not really. The amount of content is severely lacking, and that doesn't appear to be changing any time soon. All feels a bit half-arsed, to be honest.

Is it one of those grab it one month a year and that’s it kind of services?

I actually don’t even know the price. Doesn’t it come with a mini too?

 

[T8SC]

I actually don’t even know the price. Doesn’t it come with a mini too?

Yeah but you need to subscribe for a year for the mini. You get the choice of a 40k or an AoS mini.

 

[FunkMiller]

Is it one of those grab it one month a year and that’s it kind of services?

I actually don’t even know the price. Doesn’t it come with a mini too?

Yeah, give it a go for a month (unless you really want the mini). You'll easily get through pretty much everything worth watching in that time. £5.99 a month GBP.

 

[Ammogeddon]

The clock is ticking. Amazon will lose the rights if they can’t come to an agreement with Games Workshop by the end of December.

As a company GW has never been stronger with a market cap of around £4.5 billion. Part of the growth has been attributed to licensing the IP such as to games like SM2. With the upcoming release of the Amazon Secret Level episode it’s only likely to improve its reach further.

I’m hoping that GW’s growth and success gives them the confidence to be uncompromising with Amazon who have a track record for putting out some very poor adaptions of beloved IP. Maybe Amazon and GW want to see how the Secret Level episode performs before they agree?

I’m a 40K fan but hope the deal falls through if I’m honest. I’m already concerned that it’s going to be diluted and butchered in an effort to reach a larger audience.

 

[FunkMiller]

The clock is ticking. Amazon will lose the rights if they can’t come to an agreement with Games Workshop by the end of December.

As a company GW has never been stronger with a market cap of around £4.5 billion. Part of the growth has been attributed to licensing the IP such as to games like SM2. With the upcoming release of the Amazon Secret Level episode it’s only likely to improve its reach further.

I’m hoping that GW’s growth and success gives them the confidence to be uncompromising with Amazon who have a track record for putting out some very poor adaptions of beloved IP. Maybe Amazon and GW want to see how the Secret Level episode performs before they agree?

I’m a 40K fan but hope the deal falls through if I’m honest. I’m already concerned that it’s going to be diluted and butchered in an effort to reach a larger audience.

Everyone outside negotiations will know Jan 14th at the latest... but the share price leaping in the last week should be noted as a probable barometer.

And don't worry so much about it being butchered or diluted. GW's main business is plastic, not TV or movies. Licencing is a drop in the bucket. They're not going to risk their core business.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Everyone outside negotiations will know Jan 14th at the latest... but the share price leaping in the last week should be noted as a probable barometer.

And don't worry so much about it being butchered or diluted. GW's main business is plastic, not TV or movies. Licencing is a drop in the bucket. They're not going to risk their core business.

I don’t know, some of their decisions can be weird. I hope you are right though.

 

[FunkMiller]

I don’t know, some of their decisions can be weird. I hope you are right though.

Yeah, it's fine. Either we'll get a live action 40k that reflects the source material, or it won't happen at all. GW aren't going to put half a billion dollars a year at risk for the sake of tens of millions. They potentially stand to rake in a huge amount of cash if the live action stuff goes well, and becomes very successful - but they would equally lose a metric shit ton of cash if it's received poorly, and dampens retail sales.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Sounds like GW are being protective over their IP and don't want Amazon to fuck it up.

Which is funny because GW for decades sold the IP for absolute pennies to regurgitate endless thrash games because they only cared about tabletop products.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I’m a 40K fan but hope the deal falls through if I’m honest. I’m already concerned that it’s going to be diluted and butchered in an effort to reach a larger audience.

I'm completely with you on this. I know everybody has faith in Henry Cavill but I really think it's going to be butchered.

 

[llien]

Didn' tknow GW was so big.

Is he the right person to get a film/tv show made?

No, he's merely a fan of that stuff.

And I absolutely put more value into meeting DEI checklist points rather than in what 1 million fans think.
Because DEI is strength.
DEI is light.
All will be DEI.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

He's the single biggest waste of talent in the entire industry. Tall, god level physique and handsome looks, charming, passionate about his roles and the source material, he's a dream come true for any filmmaker. Yet they keep fucking him over. It's just another example that emphasizes how fucking toxic the entertainment industry is.

He's too manly. It's not a "modern look" that's why they cast him in historical roles like 1940-1970 era.

 

[FunkMiller]

Which is funny because GW for decades sold the IP for absolute pennies to regurgitate endless thrash games because they only cared about tabletop products.

Selling very limited IP rights to a games company to knock out a strategy PC game is a little different than full rights to the whole IP, for a massive, multipart project of movies and TV shows. Not to mention the retail sell through proposition.

 

[FunkMiller]

Didn' tknow GW was so big.


No, he's merely a fan of that stuff.

And I absolutely put more value into meeting DEI checklist points rather than in what 1 million fans think.
Because DEI is strength.
DEI is light.
All will be DEI.

There are women and black people everywhere in 40K, so this whole DEI thing is a massive straw man when talking about these negotiations.

Sticking points are going to be level of violence and gore, anti religiousness for the US market, and what cut Amazon wants of the plastic.

 

[T8SC]

Rumour has it there will be some news in the next couple of weeks and as FunkMiller said earlier, the Annual Report is due in January and we'll definitely know then.

I do hope there is an agreement and it's a good adaptation (Like Fallout) as I think it'll broaden the appeal of the universe much in the way that the MCU did. If you go back to the 90's and ask people who Iron Man is, you'd be thrown in the nerd corner. Now, it's very different. Granted the latest movie's have been dogshit but the appeal has been there for 15+ years for more than just comic book nerds. Hopefully the same can happen for Warhammer, bring in new blood, make it more accessible and with even more luck, it'll mean that when you go into one of their stores, there's more people in there than just the BO-massif.

 

[FunkMiller]

it'll mean that when you go into one of their stores, there's more people in there than just the BO-massif.

The training has changed a lot in recent years. They're trying to employ less fragrant people with better social skills

 

[T8SC]

The training has changed a lot in recent years. They're trying to employ less fragrant people with better social skills

The last 3 stores I went into had a formidable scent, it stings the nostrils but not in a good way.

 

[DKehoe]

The training has changed a lot in recent years. They're trying to employ less fragrant people with better social skills

From what a friend of mine who is into painting models has told me, the staff aren't the issue. He mentioned that he recently went into a store and saw one of the staff walking around spraying air freshener. So they're fighting the good fight at least.

 

[dead monkey uk]

Just forget about Amazon and Henry Cavill, just start again with Peacock and Liam Hemsworth.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I really don't think a live action Warhammer should happen. Besides, Warhammer 40,000 is really just a bunch of other popular IPs all mixed into one.

Plus, Warhammer is all about the set pieces and large skirmishes and armies and I think the budget couldn't handle it properly. It's just not going to seem like Warhammer.

 

[FunkMiller]

I really don't think a live action Warhammer should happen. Besides, Warhammer 40,000 is really just a bunch of other popular IPs all mixed into one.

Plus, Warhammer is all about the set pieces and large skirmishes and armies and I think the budget couldn't handle it properly. It's just not going to seem like Warhammer.

That's more than a little unfair to the setting. It is heavily influenced by other IP, that much is certain, but there's also a huge amount of stuff that's unique to 40k - or started with it. No other sci-fi IP has 40k's aesthetic, for instance. It's ability to mix action, horror, comedy and parody is pretty unique too. Can't think of anything else that features giant flying space cathedrals navigating literal hell.

I don't think budget is much of an issue, considering it's Amazon we're talking about.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

From what a friend of mine who is into painting models has told me, the staff aren't the issue. He mentioned that he recently went into a store and saw one of the staff walking around spraying air freshener. So they're fighting the good fight at least.

That's like fighting a wildfire with a garden hose.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

That's more than a little unfair to the setting. It is heavily influenced by other IP, that much is certain, but there's also a huge amount of stuff that's unique to 40k - or started with it. No other sci-fi IP has 40k's aesthetic, for instance. It's ability to mix action, horror, comedy and parody is pretty unique too. Can't think of anything else that features giant flying space cathedrals navigating literal hell.

I don't think budget is much of an issue, considering it's Amazon we're talking about.

I hear you. I guess my main concern is the budget and set pieces. I know it's Amazon and all they could go full out Rings of Power as far as budget is concerned, but that still doesn't mean they're going to nail the aesthetics.

I think my other main concern is it's going to be made for "modern audiences" like pretty much everything nowadays that gets translated into film or streaming.

 

[FunkMiller]

I hear you. I guess my main concern is the budget and set pieces. I know it's Amazon and all they could go full out Rings of Power as far as budget is concerned, but that still doesn't mean they're going to nail the aesthetics.

I think my other main concern is it's going to be made for "modern audiences" like pretty much everything nowadays that gets translated into film or streaming.

On the aesthetics, Amazon aren't going to be able to change what Space Marines or other 40k characters look like, because they have to look like the miniatures GW sells. The plastic is always the most important thing.

On the modern audiences, GW is already all about the diversity and inclusivity. There will be a lot of women in strong positions of power, as well as ethnic minorities. This is fine though, as it's been like that in 40k lore for many, many years.

I have to laugh when I see people thinking that Amazon are somehow going to 'wokify' 40k, when the GW annual report says stuff like this:

Diversity
The board recognises that the business can benefit from a wide range of perspectives and backgrounds. The board firmly believes that
diversity plays a key role in promoting balanced decision making, through the sharing of a variety of perspectives and insight. In defining
the composition of the board, the board will always meet its regulatory obligations, as well as take into consideration best practice and
stakeholder expectations, while having regard to the needs of the business and one of our core principles: we look for those with the
appropriate attitude and behaviour a given job requires and for those who are aligned with our principles and who are quality obsessed.
This also forms part of our approach to encourage diversity, equality and inclusion among our workforce. All employees have had the
opportunity to undertake unconscious bias training and this is a mandatory part of the training for all new starters. This has helped to
reduce any bias which might impact our search for the best person for every job. We have broadened our range of advertising platforms to
reach a wider pool of candidates with our recruitment process and ensure our adverts use inclusive language. The board does not,
however, consider that diversity can be best achieved by establishing specific quotas and targets.

There will likely be a shit ton of whining right wing grifters like Grummz on Youtube, who know fuck all about 40k, but will make endless videos about how 'woke' the 40k live action stuff is, and blaming Amazon for it.

 

[T8SC]

There will likely be a shit ton of whining right wing grifters like Grummz on Youtube, who know fuck all about 40k, but will make endless videos about how 'woke' the 40k live action stuff is, and blaming Amazon for it.

... and unfortunately due to the number of followers and how algorithms work ... it'll get traction.

Search Google now for "Amazon Warhammer TV Show" and you get complete BS Youtube channels spouting nonsense and their followers lap it up. (Nyrion is basically Mike Zeroh, but for Warhammer).

 

[GymWolf]

What he did now? Telling the producers that space marines don't use tampons??

 

[poppabk]

What he did now? Telling the producers that space marines don't use tampons.

'What the fuck is this? They're for the bullet holes, puta!' - King of New York

King Tito: [after Jump and Test-Tube have "paid" for a shipment of cocaine with a suitcase full of... tampons!] What the fuck is this? Jump: [pulling a pair of semi-autos from his jacket] They're for the bullet holes, puta! [He blows Tito away]

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[Madflavor]

It’s pretty clear what timeline we’re living in at this point, so I don’t expect this show to get made. Even if it does it’ll be without Henry, and it’ll be fucking awful.