Kenpachii
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Well, as the title states, i need somebody that's good at calculations, because i can't figure it out, my brain is bricked from all the stress lately and frankly i have no clue what's fair anymore. I just want this dog shit heritage shit to be over with, but i don't want to be scammed by my sister.
The lore:
So basically, my family died earlier this year, all that's left is my sister and me. And luckily for us we can't work together for shit, so its basically a war zone with barely any communication and when there is, its hard to explain anything because my sister is extremely bad at math to the point she will bail at any numbers being drawn. So i need to write something down to get this shit finalized and be done with it. However i don't want to make mistakes and get hit by it, because if something favors me and she finds this out by hiring some person i basically blow all my chances.
The situation is as followed. My family owns a house, bunch of cars and a bunch of shit + a vacation rent home which isn't worth much but makes decent money.
The idea is, i want to live in my dad's house because its in a good location for my work, and has potential. my sister wants the vacation home as it makes her living costs practically free if she rents it out which is good for her, she cares little about the house just wants to cash it out.
All the other shit isn't relevant for now.
((1000 = 1k, because i will be using this metric often as its easier just so people know what it means.))
House:
It's worth 255k
Has a mortgage on it of 145k still
My sister owns 50% i own 50% of it. ( 55k each )
To sell it off, we need to pay 10,4% tax, and about 1,5% Realtor, so that's about 11.9% costs. If we keep the house so my sister or me, the tax of 10,7% dissapears.
Vacation home:
Its worth 62k
It makes every year 9,6k on rent.
My sister owns 50% of it, i own 50% of it. ( 31k each )
To sell it off, we need to pay 3.327,50 euro's realtor + 10.4% tax costs. Same story here, if we keep it between us or one of us gets it the 10,4% tax doesn't need to be paid same as realtor cost.
Debt:
In short, 27k ( heritage tax ) + 16k ( costs, accountants/will people etc etc )
A bit longer version:
Here's the stinker, by sale of either property to anybody outside of us 2, we need to pay 27.000 euro's to the government because of heritage debt which is locked in the stones of both houses and delayed for 10 years of payment, which can be extended for another 10 after it. So its not much of a problem now if we keep it the houses, but if we sell it a lot of value gets removed.
So basically, if we sell the 62k vacation home to some random person, that 62.000 will be reduced with (10,4% tax) 6.440 + (realtor) 3327,50 + (heritage debt)27.000 = 36.775,50. So basically a total that's left over is 25.224.50 but we are not done here, we made additional costs of (costs)16k for all kinds of people that needed to value stuff, do shit for tax + closing a company we also got with it, that has debt so that all has to be paid off, and the total number is 16k. So the total amount that's left over is 9224,50. If we divide by 2, as we both have 50% claim on it, we basically end up with 4.612.25. So a little shy of 5k.
Selling off vacation home:
The conclusion is, selling off the vacation home, is complete idiotic, because we can make this exact money by just renting it out and letting it sit there for a year and have 62k of value under our belt still, or even better keep renting it out for the next couple of years and basically pay off all the debt without doing anything or losing anything, no brainer basically.
House situation + mortgage + bank:
Now the house situation. I want to take on the mortgage of the house. However i want my sister out of it entirely as she's unstable and i don't want to relay on her tantrums. I have no money as of now as i basically shit the brick earlier this year through family died that killed everything off i had. I am rebuilding atm and need the house for this, i can't function without it. It's location is a absolute must. So it kinda locks me into a problematic situation.
As the house has a mortgage on it, the bank gave me 2+ years to fix my situation if i just keep paying the mortgage that runs now, the amount is so low i can basically invest lots of money in my own company to get it rolling which is already starting up now, but still not enough to get a half decent salary out of it but its moving forwards.
Sister no bueno:
However my sister doesn't agree with this and she can force sell the house whenever she likes as she currently owns 50% aka 55.000 of it ( believe me my sister lacks empathy of any kind, she will sell it if it favors her tomorrow ). Me staying in the house doesn't profit her its a risk, as the value of the house can drop. So for her selling is better. But if i can't get the house, i am basically sol with my new company as i use it as a base as of now and need it basically, houses are unpayable and renting is not even a thing. So its really important for me to get it. Currently i hold her off for selling the house by basically saying i will sell the vacation home the next day and all the wealth goes down the shitter. This pushes her around the table.
We clash on the division of the house and vacation home basically, and this was my sisters solution:
Her idea was the following:
- She gets the 62k vacation home, 31k is debt to me ( as no tax or realtor has to be paid u can divide the entire money amount ).
- Her part in the house is 55k, so that gets reduced to 24k as 31k gets removed from it.
- She gives me 2 years the time to get my shit together and buy her remaining 24k out, if not the bank will force the sale and she gets whatever is worth it and her cut, however she wants to lock the price at 255k, if the price drops i have to compensate her loss, if it goes up she wants to profit from it. So the risk it entirely at my disposal.
I disagree with this for the following reasons: ( here it gets tricky )
- The moment i sign away the vacation house, she can drop the house in sale the next day and she probably will do just that to get rid of debt and basically have a vacation home to milk endlessly and live rent free forever. I have no pressure point anymore to keep her from doing this. For me getting her out of the house entirely is the only option or nothing.
- Vacation home is worth 62k, but because of rent she basically makes after 2 years another 18k with it so lets say 80k is the status of her money volume in 2 years. It gets even higher because she has still 24k in the house also with it. so that's 104k total amount out of it in 2 years.
- I have 55k+31k from the vacation house, so that's 86k.
However this doesn't calculate the amount of tax and cuts we need to pay if we sell both which is far more negative for me then her, because the house has debt ( mortgage ) and is far more worth.
For example, if the house gets sold, we need to pay 30,3k worth of tax / fee's. (10,4% tax, 1,5% realtor), as she only owns 9% and i do 33% ( not sure if the numbers are right ) or something around that front of the house at this point, i can pay the majority of those fee's. So lets say she pays 8k i pay 24k (again no clue how to calculate this ). So my 86k = 62k her 104k = 96k.
Me: 62k
She: 96k
However 27k needs to be paid because of heritage tax then so u can get 13,5k of both sides.
Me: 48.500
she: 82.500
My sister rent + utility's are 800, that means if she generates 800 from the vacation home, she basically lives rent free. And keeps her 62k value of the house and doesn't pay any more money over rent as its not taxed, even while it increases her wealth.
My rent is 1600 ( cheapest room i can find ), in 2 years i burn through 38,4k.
The reason why my rent of my sister is so low is because my dad heavily invested in her and her place, he never did for me he was about to do that but he died basically. So yea i get the short end of the stick here and my sister gives zero fucks about that ( lacks empathy )
My calculation question has finally arrived.
I need 55.000 to get my sister out of the house. I want her out of the house. I need the house so there is no option here for me. I sacrifice whatever i need to in order to get the house under my name completely.
However i don't see the 62.000 as the real value of that vacation house, because the real money isn't in the bricks its in the rent. So my question really is.
With those 2 years in mind, what would be a good fair offer right now to do.
I see the house being 18-20k more worth really because of the rent it generates that isn't going to me at all in those 2 years, so its not split its pure on her side. Which if i remove that from the 24k is about 4-6k left over, i can cover this probably with selling off some stuff from other parts of the heritage however 24k is nowhere near cover able for me, but it also needs to be fair toward her.
Any takes?
So my question really is, how to calculate this. And is what i say fair in any kind or is it just me making insane loops of logic to validate my own delusion?
Would love to hear some takes.
The lore:
So basically, my family died earlier this year, all that's left is my sister and me. And luckily for us we can't work together for shit, so its basically a war zone with barely any communication and when there is, its hard to explain anything because my sister is extremely bad at math to the point she will bail at any numbers being drawn. So i need to write something down to get this shit finalized and be done with it. However i don't want to make mistakes and get hit by it, because if something favors me and she finds this out by hiring some person i basically blow all my chances.
The situation is as followed. My family owns a house, bunch of cars and a bunch of shit + a vacation rent home which isn't worth much but makes decent money.
The idea is, i want to live in my dad's house because its in a good location for my work, and has potential. my sister wants the vacation home as it makes her living costs practically free if she rents it out which is good for her, she cares little about the house just wants to cash it out.
All the other shit isn't relevant for now.
((1000 = 1k, because i will be using this metric often as its easier just so people know what it means.))
House:
It's worth 255k
Has a mortgage on it of 145k still
My sister owns 50% i own 50% of it. ( 55k each )
To sell it off, we need to pay 10,4% tax, and about 1,5% Realtor, so that's about 11.9% costs. If we keep the house so my sister or me, the tax of 10,7% dissapears.
Vacation home:
Its worth 62k
It makes every year 9,6k on rent.
My sister owns 50% of it, i own 50% of it. ( 31k each )
To sell it off, we need to pay 3.327,50 euro's realtor + 10.4% tax costs. Same story here, if we keep it between us or one of us gets it the 10,4% tax doesn't need to be paid same as realtor cost.
Debt:
In short, 27k ( heritage tax ) + 16k ( costs, accountants/will people etc etc )
A bit longer version:
Here's the stinker, by sale of either property to anybody outside of us 2, we need to pay 27.000 euro's to the government because of heritage debt which is locked in the stones of both houses and delayed for 10 years of payment, which can be extended for another 10 after it. So its not much of a problem now if we keep it the houses, but if we sell it a lot of value gets removed.
So basically, if we sell the 62k vacation home to some random person, that 62.000 will be reduced with (10,4% tax) 6.440 + (realtor) 3327,50 + (heritage debt)27.000 = 36.775,50. So basically a total that's left over is 25.224.50 but we are not done here, we made additional costs of (costs)16k for all kinds of people that needed to value stuff, do shit for tax + closing a company we also got with it, that has debt so that all has to be paid off, and the total number is 16k. So the total amount that's left over is 9224,50. If we divide by 2, as we both have 50% claim on it, we basically end up with 4.612.25. So a little shy of 5k.
Selling off vacation home:
The conclusion is, selling off the vacation home, is complete idiotic, because we can make this exact money by just renting it out and letting it sit there for a year and have 62k of value under our belt still, or even better keep renting it out for the next couple of years and basically pay off all the debt without doing anything or losing anything, no brainer basically.
House situation + mortgage + bank:
Now the house situation. I want to take on the mortgage of the house. However i want my sister out of it entirely as she's unstable and i don't want to relay on her tantrums. I have no money as of now as i basically shit the brick earlier this year through family died that killed everything off i had. I am rebuilding atm and need the house for this, i can't function without it. It's location is a absolute must. So it kinda locks me into a problematic situation.
As the house has a mortgage on it, the bank gave me 2+ years to fix my situation if i just keep paying the mortgage that runs now, the amount is so low i can basically invest lots of money in my own company to get it rolling which is already starting up now, but still not enough to get a half decent salary out of it but its moving forwards.
Sister no bueno:
However my sister doesn't agree with this and she can force sell the house whenever she likes as she currently owns 50% aka 55.000 of it ( believe me my sister lacks empathy of any kind, she will sell it if it favors her tomorrow ). Me staying in the house doesn't profit her its a risk, as the value of the house can drop. So for her selling is better. But if i can't get the house, i am basically sol with my new company as i use it as a base as of now and need it basically, houses are unpayable and renting is not even a thing. So its really important for me to get it. Currently i hold her off for selling the house by basically saying i will sell the vacation home the next day and all the wealth goes down the shitter. This pushes her around the table.
We clash on the division of the house and vacation home basically, and this was my sisters solution:
Her idea was the following:
- She gets the 62k vacation home, 31k is debt to me ( as no tax or realtor has to be paid u can divide the entire money amount ).
- Her part in the house is 55k, so that gets reduced to 24k as 31k gets removed from it.
- She gives me 2 years the time to get my shit together and buy her remaining 24k out, if not the bank will force the sale and she gets whatever is worth it and her cut, however she wants to lock the price at 255k, if the price drops i have to compensate her loss, if it goes up she wants to profit from it. So the risk it entirely at my disposal.
I disagree with this for the following reasons: ( here it gets tricky )
- The moment i sign away the vacation house, she can drop the house in sale the next day and she probably will do just that to get rid of debt and basically have a vacation home to milk endlessly and live rent free forever. I have no pressure point anymore to keep her from doing this. For me getting her out of the house entirely is the only option or nothing.
- Vacation home is worth 62k, but because of rent she basically makes after 2 years another 18k with it so lets say 80k is the status of her money volume in 2 years. It gets even higher because she has still 24k in the house also with it. so that's 104k total amount out of it in 2 years.
- I have 55k+31k from the vacation house, so that's 86k.
However this doesn't calculate the amount of tax and cuts we need to pay if we sell both which is far more negative for me then her, because the house has debt ( mortgage ) and is far more worth.
For example, if the house gets sold, we need to pay 30,3k worth of tax / fee's. (10,4% tax, 1,5% realtor), as she only owns 9% and i do 33% ( not sure if the numbers are right ) or something around that front of the house at this point, i can pay the majority of those fee's. So lets say she pays 8k i pay 24k (again no clue how to calculate this ). So my 86k = 62k her 104k = 96k.
Me: 62k
She: 96k
However 27k needs to be paid because of heritage tax then so u can get 13,5k of both sides.
Me: 48.500
she: 82.500
My sister rent + utility's are 800, that means if she generates 800 from the vacation home, she basically lives rent free. And keeps her 62k value of the house and doesn't pay any more money over rent as its not taxed, even while it increases her wealth.
My rent is 1600 ( cheapest room i can find ), in 2 years i burn through 38,4k.
The reason why my rent of my sister is so low is because my dad heavily invested in her and her place, he never did for me he was about to do that but he died basically. So yea i get the short end of the stick here and my sister gives zero fucks about that ( lacks empathy )
My calculation question has finally arrived.
I need 55.000 to get my sister out of the house. I want her out of the house. I need the house so there is no option here for me. I sacrifice whatever i need to in order to get the house under my name completely.
However i don't see the 62.000 as the real value of that vacation house, because the real money isn't in the bricks its in the rent. So my question really is.
With those 2 years in mind, what would be a good fair offer right now to do.
I see the house being 18-20k more worth really because of the rent it generates that isn't going to me at all in those 2 years, so its not split its pure on her side. Which if i remove that from the 24k is about 4-6k left over, i can cover this probably with selling off some stuff from other parts of the heritage however 24k is nowhere near cover able for me, but it also needs to be fair toward her.
Any takes?
So my question really is, how to calculate this. And is what i say fair in any kind or is it just me making insane loops of logic to validate my own delusion?
Would love to hear some takes.