FrankWza
Member
You mean the Mediocre titles that you're dying to release on your platform of choice even years later? You run jetpack mods and "beat" the game in 5 years. I'll discover it day 1 on a closed system and let you know how it is
Hermen Hulst - "We value PC gamers, and will continue to look at the right times to launch EACH game [on PC]."
Muddy
Member
Most PC gamers don't have a rig anywhere close to a PS5 forget the PS5 pro or PS6 by the time PS5 games are released on PC.
PC gamers need to stop this myth around PC gamers having superior hardware when the most popular GPUs are a 1060 and a 1050ti.
Right now you are playing a few last gen PS4 games on PC and giving it the Hoo Ha.
These games are backwards compatible on the PS5 anyway.
Muddy
Member
Come back in 2 or 3 years and you will see a PS5 pro.
Right now the most popular GPUs in PC rigs are the 1060 and 1050ti. Most PC gamers are gaming on a rig around the Xbox one X/ PS4 pro level.
Its a myth that MOST PC gamers play on superior hardware and are willing to wait for Sony games.
Yoboman
Member
I don't really care but if I were a shareholder I'd question what the real strategic vision is with these decisions
For MS it makes every bit of sense, they have a platform both in the OS and in Gamepass that releasing more on PC will help grow
Sony don't seem to have anything on that front. If they had a game store or a controlling stake in Epic that they were wanting to grow EGS or something like Gamepass then I could see how they are carving out a business on PC. But right now it's just some games here and there for a few extra bucks which seems to undermine their core business of consoles
For MS it makes every bit of sense, they have a platform both in the OS and in Gamepass that releasing more on PC will help grow
Sony don't seem to have anything on that front. If they had a game store or a controlling stake in Epic that they were wanting to grow EGS or something like Gamepass then I could see how they are carving out a business on PC. But right now it's just some games here and there for a few extra bucks which seems to undermine their core business of consoles
Neofire
Member
The thing is the new PlayStation management would be stupid enough to do it too.
Stuart360
Member
And console gamers need to stop using Steam stats without realizing it takes into account everyone who signed into Steam that month, meaning soccer moms playing Hearthstone on their 6yo laptop, and grandads playing Poker on their 15 year old desktop.
Also a 1060 is more powerful than the most powerful console ever in the OneX, before this gen started obviously.
Dream-Knife
Banned
I would hope a $600 GPU from 2016 can outperform a $400 console from 2013.
If you count the PS5 pro, why not just build a PC? Then you can play those PS5 games, Xbox games, even PS3 games...
bender
What time is it?
It just feels like they are dipping their toes in the water to gauge the temperature. Getting backend revenue on these titles after they've served purpose of pushing hardware makes all the sense in the world assuming the porting efforts are inexpensive and PC sales are strong.
assurdum
Banned
Because we can get such games quite early? But he specified that eh.
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Stuart360
Member
Yeah now maybe, as we are 6 months into a new gen. In 2 years time PS5 and XSX will be barely mid range, another 2 years they will be low end, like every generation.
And yes PC gamers are ready to wait. Unlike console gamers waiting constantly for new games, PC gamers are not short of stuff to play. And you are not going to get hardcore PC gamers jumping on console anyway. yes you get some who game on both, i used to be one of them, but we are in the minority.
93xfan
Banned
Remember when you wanted to play a game, but then remembered others could enjoy it too and lost all interest?
Excess
Member
Exactly. The PS5 is still gonna sell like hotcakes anyway.
PC is a niche market with a lot of barriers to entry, so your average mainstream consumer is always going to buy a PS5 to play these games.
Neofire
Member
Unless the definition of best has changed, early doesn't mean the best but I digress.
In the end I'll be there with a
once Sony starts cannibalizing their own sales on the PlayStation.
bender
What time is it?
With a PS5 and PS5 Pro, you can play every PS4 game and every PS5 game day and date. The sample size of Sony's PC offerings is way too small to assume everything will be ported over and that doesn't even factor in when those ports will occur.
bender
What time is it?
It's marketing speak. How exactly would you like that phrased without causing panic to Playstation owners? Look at the uproar that two ports have already caused with the radical fringe.
Reindeer
Member
I see you are quick to move goal posts. Your argument wasn't about now, it was about few years down the line when these games come out for PC. By that time PS5 will be easily beaten by something like 4060 or current 3070 that will be common among PC gamers. The PS5 Pro will also be easily beaten by the time it launches like PS4 Pro was when it came out.
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Decontamination Silo
Banned
$14 milli ain't bad to port a game that was developed on PC hardware and had little to no marketing.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
Nope
LazyParrot
Member
Well, yeah. But that's now. What about 2-3 years from now, when Sony and MS start releasing their big hitters? Do you think people will still be sitting on 10XX series cards then?
Remember last year the other bullshit blog post the lying idiot said this
"And to maybe put a few minds at ease, releasing one first-party AAA title to PC doesn't necessarily mean that every game now will come to PC. In my mind, Horizon Zero Dawn was just a great fit in this particular instance. We don't have plans for day and date [PC releases], and we remain 100% committed to dedicated hardware."
What a fucking liar. Fuck Sony and fuck PlayStation. I'm not buying a PS5.
Andodalf
Banned
If only Sony put out a blog post re affirming their commitment to the platform!
Markio128
Member
I don't see any negative to this. Sony sell more games on the PC and then use that money to invest in bigger and better games. As a console gamer, I couldn't give two shits if PC gamers get the chance to play some of the games as long as I still get to look forward to a catalogue of great games for my PS5.
It's like somebody offering me £1000 with the caveat that they will also give £1000 to another random dude. No fucks given.
It's like somebody offering me £1000 with the caveat that they will also give £1000 to another random dude. No fucks given.
Yoboman
Member
It makes sense if you're acting like a publisher waiting out a time exclusive dearather than a platform holder
Nintendo could release their games on PC and sell another 20 million a pop. But it doesn't serve their overall business goal
If they were getting subscribers or something I could see how it is building their eco system but it's really not
What does a million extra sales actually equate to? A drop in the bucket compared to the billions they make from PSN and hardware. So if they end up with a couple million or more who no longer feel the need to buy a PS console - doesn't sound like a net profit to the business to me
StreetsofBeige
Member
It's not like sales of Horizon and Days Gone on PC are selling like gangbusters.
Yet Sony is happy to port those to PC with boosted graphics and feature sets.
kretos
Banned
fuck that it's muh exclusive
assurdum
Banned
What I can say. Thanks to God are not you on the lead of the playstation business. Hearing people as you ps5 had stop to sell months ago and indeed it's still sold out. Take your conclusionsUnless the definition of best has changed, early doesn't mean the best but I digress.
In the end I'll be there with a
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Saber
Newd Member
Nothing beats Bloodborne port begging. Its everywhere and everytime.
Stuart360
Member
The only reason why the 10 series is still the most common is becuase the majority of PC gamers skipped the 2000 series due to the ridiculous pricing involvd for the gpu's (Nvidia's lowest selling range by a mile) and were waiting for the 3000 series (i'm one of them lol). In fact if it wasnt for the stupid gpu shortages, the 3060 and 3070 would probably already of overtaken the 1060.
bender
What time is it?
Actions speak louder than words.
Yoboman
Member
Sure but nobody expected those games on PC when they came out and double dipping is not common for most gamers. How many will just wait for the PC versions now - with PS5 so hard to get as well?
I think it would be smarter for Sony to day and date if it was paired with a Gamepass service, rather than whatever this is
Kerotan
Member
No chance. Less money to be made with that strategy.
Feed pc some awesome years old exclusives that don't sell much anymore except on sale. Profit from pc sales.
Launch sequel on PlayStation. Gain extra sales from new fans on pc who now buy it on console. More profit.
sainraja
Member
You are making a safe bet and the gaming landscape is constantly evolving so I guess anything can happen. Sony's ready to pivot in any direction if the need arises but you are being a little too dismissive of the strategy that has worked for Sony so far. The person you are responding to didn't say Horizon 2 won't ever be on PC but it is too early to say what direction Sony will go. So far, it's worked for Sony to release older titles on PC and see how they sell.
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Soulblighter31
Banned
The most popular card is NOT 1060. That a faulty reading of the steam hardware. That card is the card that has the largest userbase as a single card. Its just 8 fucking percent of the entire steam userbase. 92% have something else. How is that card the most popular when nearly everyone has something else ?
If you sum up the steam users who have 2070 level performance and up, you have somewhere in the range of 40 million people. So 40 million people or more who match or exceed ps5. Those are the ones who are making game sales, who consume games, the hardcore croud, not the ones with 1050 and 1060.
That doesnt exist. PC gamers are pc gamers because they love the way PC allows them to play games. After they play a former exclusive on their pc they wont suddenly go and buy a new platform that plays completely different than what they want. They're gonna wait and continue to game on pc
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Because they have been so transparent and honest all this time right??????
They are the most miscommunicative company out there.
StreetsofBeige
Member
Depends which games and how far in advance they announce them. It's only been two games so far. Days Gone was 2 years after PS and Horizon was 3.5 years.
Krappadizzle
Member
Lol. PC is literally the biggest market on the planet next to phones. New AMD apu's will expand that market considerably more in a very very short time.
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Stuart360
Member
The problem with selling games when they are 2 or 3 years old though is that sales are lower as its an old game. Plus it also means that the sale price is lower too.
sunnysideup
Banned
The Fartist
Gold Member
As a diehard PlayStation fan:
Stuart360
Member
I know its a safe bet, because its the truth, or at least what i think will happen, no one can say 100% until it happens.
I do love this cute idea that this is all some ingenious ploy by Sony to get PC gamers ready for a sequel that they will need to buy a PS5 for, even though they just launched Days Gone that isnt eevn getting a sequel. And HFW will be on PC, i have zero doubt about it.
bender
What time is it?
While I appreciate your perspective, comparing anyone to Nintendo is silly. No other platform holder, when successful, has evergreen titles like Nintendo nor do any other game publisher titles hold their MSRP as well.
ResilientBanana
Member
Odd. I've heard from so many that PS5 games are impossible to play on PC because of that darn SSD!?
Krappadizzle
Member
YAs a diehard PlayStation fan:
LazyParrot
Member
Eh, I dunno. Someone with a 1050Ti who has spent the last 10 years playing 8 hours of Dota 2 or CSGO per day is more hardcore in my book than someone who spent $4000 on a scalped 3090 so he can play console ports at 4K.
Yoboman
Member
You are right, but not in the major markets. It's the emerging markets like China where PC is so dominant that tilts the scales
odhiex
Member
More people buying and enjoying your games... that's sound very good to me. I know many friends who are diehard PC gamers, I am happy that they could experience the amazing line-up of PlayStation games on their PCs.
PC is an open platform. In my opinion, it is a superior platform in many ways. I do love Playstation (have all of them, not yet a ps5) and console(s) can also be better in some other ways.
I don't think this strategy will cannibalize the brand and market, look at XBOX. It may very well expand your audience even more than it could ever achieve in a closed ecosystem. We are heading towards cloud gaming anyway...lol
PC is an open platform. In my opinion, it is a superior platform in many ways. I do love Playstation (have all of them, not yet a ps5) and console(s) can also be better in some other ways.
I don't think this strategy will cannibalize the brand and market, look at XBOX. It may very well expand your audience even more than it could ever achieve in a closed ecosystem. We are heading towards cloud gaming anyway...lol
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