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Heroes of Newerth |OT| Free-To-Play [PC /Mac /Linux]
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So I have been playing LoL alot lately (bought the collectors pack!), but want to try HoN again after watching some of the DOTA2 streams.
The last time I played HoN, I played one match, and won. (I was Kraken and sucked) I liked it but didnt get any coins/stats or anything. I was playing a stats game too, but when the game ended I didnt get any scoreboard screen or anything, it just crashed me back to the main screen.
I also couldn't browse the store (kept saying I wasn't allowed?) or figure out how to join the GAF channel. I found the main screen to be incrediablly fugly and cumbersome even compared to LoL.
The crash at the end of my match was disheartining to say the least, but I would like to think it was a random occurance and want to try again.
Are these crashes common? I've never had a single issue with LoL, so HoN didnt leave a good impression.
Sorry about the rambling as I'm tired...
TL;DR Should I try HoN again?
Edit: Also a little miffed at their pricing scheme for F2P... almost want to buy a legacy account... but wont because you know... DOTA2
The last time I played HoN, I played one match, and won. (I was Kraken and sucked) I liked it but didnt get any coins/stats or anything. I was playing a stats game too, but when the game ended I didnt get any scoreboard screen or anything, it just crashed me back to the main screen.
I also couldn't browse the store (kept saying I wasn't allowed?) or figure out how to join the GAF channel. I found the main screen to be incrediablly fugly and cumbersome even compared to LoL.
The crash at the end of my match was disheartining to say the least, but I would like to think it was a random occurance and want to try again.
Are these crashes common? I've never had a single issue with LoL, so HoN didnt leave a good impression.
Sorry about the rambling as I'm tired...
TL;DR Should I try HoN again?
Edit: Also a little miffed at their pricing scheme for F2P... almost want to buy a legacy account... but wont because you know... DOTA2
How's the pricing scheme for LoL ? Is it that good compared to HoN ?
I think you should give the game another chance. Last time I tried LoL, I had a 5h queue before being able to log on and try the game. It was disheartening to say the least. So LoL didn't leave a good impression as well.
I think you should give the game another chance. Last time I tried LoL, I had a 5h queue before being able to log on and try the game. It was disheartening to say the least. So LoL didn't leave a good impression as well.
Hojaho said:
The pricing scheme are similar, save up points from winning/losing buy heroes you like, etc.
The main difference is I can buy a "retail" copy that gives me a selection of heroes and some points to buy some cosmetic stuff.
I've only recently gotten into MOBA's and missed out on HoN before it went F2P. I have no problem buying a retail/collectors pack and they would get my money. Buying everything piecemeal? No thanks.
Finally got it going. First match 4 of my teammates disconnect. "Sigh"
Pros: the graphics are nice. I can sense a good game underneath some of my challenges.
Cons:
I fight the interface everystep of the way.
Hitting play now does nothing but bring up some settings. If I really want to play now I have to click public games. This is counter intuitive.
How do you type in all during a match? /all does nothing. Things like this are minor annoyances.
The store is a mess. Im sure it makes sense for long time dota players but for noobs like me it makes no sense. (Even with a guide)
Not really a con but how do I join the Gaf channel?
Im still going to keep trying but it feels like a lot of work to get to the good stuff.
Typed on my phone please forgive grammatical/spelling mistakes
Edit: still can't access the store either
Pros: the graphics are nice. I can sense a good game underneath some of my challenges.
Cons:
I fight the interface everystep of the way.
Hitting play now does nothing but bring up some settings. If I really want to play now I have to click public games. This is counter intuitive.
How do you type in all during a match? /all does nothing. Things like this are minor annoyances.
The store is a mess. Im sure it makes sense for long time dota players but for noobs like me it makes no sense. (Even with a guide)
Not really a con but how do I join the Gaf channel?
Im still going to keep trying but it feels like a lot of work to get to the good stuff.
Typed on my phone please forgive grammatical/spelling mistakes
Edit: still can't access the store either
Meeru said:
"My last hon post..its been nice knowing you."
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30078956&postcount=4282
LOL!
I'm starting to play well with plague rider... but i play horribly bad with everything else. I've tried several heroes, and I suck with the melee (strength) ones. I haven't tried to choose agility, as it is supposed to be more difficult. It seems I'm stuck with intelligence heroes :/ , I'll have too look for more noob friendly heroes in the internet.
In LoL if I sucked I could buy some 5 gold every 10 seconds, but here if I start sucking I don't have money whatsoever, and I only manage to buy two items of 500 gold, and then I suck even more. I'll stick with ranged heroes/ maybe try a jungle hero , and never again pick up a new hero without looking for a video guide or something.
In LoL if I sucked I could buy some 5 gold every 10 seconds, but here if I start sucking I don't have money whatsoever, and I only manage to buy two items of 500 gold, and then I suck even more. I'll stick with ranged heroes/ maybe try a jungle hero , and never again pick up a new hero without looking for a video guide or something.
So concerning DotA2-HoN heroes...I found out who was whose equivalent most of the time, but there's a couple they showed I have no clue what's the HoN equivalent. (On a side note, I fear starting with HoN may have altered my perception in MOBA games forever...why the hell would I call Pestilence Sladzor or whatever the name was? Or Pharaoh Clockwerk? It's so random... Tbh I like HoN's designs better for the most part...anyhow)
But one burning question : Weaver is whose equivalent? Tidehunter? Viper? Dark Seer? Ancient Apparation?
Unless they're all DotA-exclusives so far, I just can't find the proper hero to match in HoN.
But one burning question : Weaver is whose equivalent? Tidehunter? Viper? Dark Seer? Ancient Apparation?
Unless they're all DotA-exclusives so far, I just can't find the proper hero to match in HoN.
http://honwiki.net/wiki/DotA_vs_HoN
Has a list of the HoN stuff and Dota names. The 1080p VODs just show how amazing the game looks and I can't wait for the beta.
Has a list of the HoN stuff and Dota names. The 1080p VODs just show how amazing the game looks and I can't wait for the beta.
Supposedly these are the latest patch notes, free courier in Normal Mode now, also can't be used to refill bottle.
Version 2.1.4
The current Free Heroes have changed. The current available list is:
Soulstealer
Silhouette
Defiler
Gladiator
Tremble
Devourer
Pestilence
Magmus
Blacksmith
Pebbles
Rampage
Pollywog Priest
Nymphora
Andromeda
Vindicator
Fixed a duplicate bug with Guides
Ingame levelup effects now delayed slightly
Added spectator chat ignore checkbox in the Spec UI
Updated minimalist options for spec UI
Healing radius of the Wells increased to better match the actual water
Tree of Life and Sacrifical Shrine now have truesight
== NPCs ==
Fixed sound bug with the bad range(warlocks) NPCS death sound not playing.
Added death sounds to the good range(archers).
Kongor
Fixed the faction, non-player-controlled units giving the team 0 gold when they land the killing blow from Kongor.
Now if a non-player controlled unit lands the killing blow on Kongor, then it gives 230 gold to the team (before it was giving 0)
== Items ==
Re-ordered components for all recipe items so the most expensive items come first. This makes right clicking on an item in the store more useful and less dumb
All teams now start with a basic Ground Courier by default
Bottle is no longer refilled when held by a Courier
Shieldbreaker: Increased damage by 10 per level from 30/45/60 to 40/55/70 and ignore's the target's Deflection when you attack them
Deflection is the damage blocked by items like Helm of the Black Legion and Iron Shield
Alchemist Bones' timer is now paused while the hero is dead
== Heroes ==
Added a new Alt Avatar: Frost Rider
Arachna - Movespeed from 290 to 295
Dark Lady - Dark Blades cooldown from 22/18/14/10 to 16/14/12/10 - Charging Strikes cooldown from 21/17/13/9 to 15/13/11/9
Drunken Master - Drink rescaled to channel for 2 seconds, gaining 2/4/6/8 charges per second. Upon enemy death in 500 AoE, he gains 2/4/6/8 charges - Stagger deals 50% more damage to creeps
Gauntlet - Infernal Instability now gives 50% mana back if you do not attack anything.
Keeper of the Forest - Treant Dogs are now limited to 2/3/4/5 max. If you summon more than the max the oldest ones will automatically die - Treant Dogs can no longer attack Towers if they are more than 800 units away from the Keeper - Fixed scripting to be better
Magebane - Master of Mantra aura increased from 600 to 800
Monkey King - Starting Stength increased by 2 - Flying Nimbus activation removed. Is now a full passive with a 5 second cooldown that will automatically trigger when not taking damage
== Bugfixes ==
Andromeda - Fixed Aurora affector speed & lifetime so it matches the visuals
Dampeer - Fixed his Bloodthirst aura so it stacks with ^090Harkon's Blade, Webbed Shot and Master's Incantation
Defiler - Fixed a bug where she can super deny allies & herself
Demented Shaman - Fixed scripting so Unbreakable is more robust against odd frame situations (healing 2 times in 1 frame, etc.)
Doctor Repulsor - Fixed Opposite Charges so it plays the link - Optimized Magnetic Contraption a bit - Fixed Portal Key exploit
Drunken Master - Fixed the double-activate bug on Lunge where it can deal 2x the push and 2x the damage - Fixed Lunge bug where it was teleporting Drunken Master to (0,0) - Fixed Lunge bug when you play animations after dead (again) - Fixed Lunge's push affecting invulnerable units - Fixed Untouchable's "HIC!" sound not playing at the correct times on levels 1 & 2
Emerald Warden - Fixed a small visual bug where the large vine model was lingering too long at lower levels of Overgrowth - Fixed Gawain using Diving Strikes when he's dead - Fixed a super-duper rare bug where he gets glitched after respawn when Gawain attempts to use Forest's Touch on the same frame he dies
Empath - Now doesn't follow her last queued action after she gets out of someone - Fixed a visual bug where the wall visual was expiring 1 second before the real wall expired - Fixed Essence Link so it does DOT damage now
Engineer - Passing through the Energy Field will now automatically break channelling if it hits you - Made Spider Mines have 0 cast time
Legionnaire - Made Whirling Blade proc on fountain attacks - Fixed a small animation bug where he would still be in charging animation if the skill cancels via the distance check
Magmus - Fixed an issue with Eruption's idle animation and the effects
Moraxus - Made More Axes blockable via Arcane Shield and Untouchable
Myrmidon - Weed field now breaks Succubus' Mesmerize - Fixed a bug where Carp would stun you if you were rooted or immobilized and had a movement order queued up
Parasite - Fixed him teleporting to the target's location if the target dies before the Infest projectile impacts - Fixed the Parasite-Gauntlet ult bug
Pharaoh - Fixed a small spawn location bug with his Wrath of the Pharaoh if he turns 90 degrees; it now spawns in the correct position relative to Pharaoh & the target
Rhapsody - Fixed a bug where the DoT from Disco Inferno wasn't being applied if an enemy was stunned inside
Sand Wraith - Fixed his passive AOE triggering Nomad's ultimate and canceling Succubus' Mesmerize
Slither - Fixed a small issue with Poison Spray target cursor not highlighting the correct targets
Wretched Hag - Fixed an extremely rare bug with Bat Blast's cone visual
Version 2.1.4
The current Free Heroes have changed. The current available list is:
Soulstealer
Silhouette
Defiler
Gladiator
Tremble
Devourer
Pestilence
Magmus
Blacksmith
Pebbles
Rampage
Pollywog Priest
Nymphora
Andromeda
Vindicator
Fixed a duplicate bug with Guides
Ingame levelup effects now delayed slightly
Added spectator chat ignore checkbox in the Spec UI
Updated minimalist options for spec UI
Healing radius of the Wells increased to better match the actual water
Tree of Life and Sacrifical Shrine now have truesight
== NPCs ==
Fixed sound bug with the bad range(warlocks) NPCS death sound not playing.
Added death sounds to the good range(archers).
Kongor
Fixed the faction, non-player-controlled units giving the team 0 gold when they land the killing blow from Kongor.
Now if a non-player controlled unit lands the killing blow on Kongor, then it gives 230 gold to the team (before it was giving 0)
== Items ==
Re-ordered components for all recipe items so the most expensive items come first. This makes right clicking on an item in the store more useful and less dumb
All teams now start with a basic Ground Courier by default
Bottle is no longer refilled when held by a Courier
Shieldbreaker: Increased damage by 10 per level from 30/45/60 to 40/55/70 and ignore's the target's Deflection when you attack them
Deflection is the damage blocked by items like Helm of the Black Legion and Iron Shield
Alchemist Bones' timer is now paused while the hero is dead
== Heroes ==
Added a new Alt Avatar: Frost Rider
Arachna - Movespeed from 290 to 295
Dark Lady - Dark Blades cooldown from 22/18/14/10 to 16/14/12/10 - Charging Strikes cooldown from 21/17/13/9 to 15/13/11/9
Drunken Master - Drink rescaled to channel for 2 seconds, gaining 2/4/6/8 charges per second. Upon enemy death in 500 AoE, he gains 2/4/6/8 charges - Stagger deals 50% more damage to creeps
Gauntlet - Infernal Instability now gives 50% mana back if you do not attack anything.
Keeper of the Forest - Treant Dogs are now limited to 2/3/4/5 max. If you summon more than the max the oldest ones will automatically die - Treant Dogs can no longer attack Towers if they are more than 800 units away from the Keeper - Fixed scripting to be better
Magebane - Master of Mantra aura increased from 600 to 800
Monkey King - Starting Stength increased by 2 - Flying Nimbus activation removed. Is now a full passive with a 5 second cooldown that will automatically trigger when not taking damage
== Bugfixes ==
Andromeda - Fixed Aurora affector speed & lifetime so it matches the visuals
Dampeer - Fixed his Bloodthirst aura so it stacks with ^090Harkon's Blade, Webbed Shot and Master's Incantation
Defiler - Fixed a bug where she can super deny allies & herself
Demented Shaman - Fixed scripting so Unbreakable is more robust against odd frame situations (healing 2 times in 1 frame, etc.)
Doctor Repulsor - Fixed Opposite Charges so it plays the link - Optimized Magnetic Contraption a bit - Fixed Portal Key exploit
Drunken Master - Fixed the double-activate bug on Lunge where it can deal 2x the push and 2x the damage - Fixed Lunge bug where it was teleporting Drunken Master to (0,0) - Fixed Lunge bug when you play animations after dead (again) - Fixed Lunge's push affecting invulnerable units - Fixed Untouchable's "HIC!" sound not playing at the correct times on levels 1 & 2
Emerald Warden - Fixed a small visual bug where the large vine model was lingering too long at lower levels of Overgrowth - Fixed Gawain using Diving Strikes when he's dead - Fixed a super-duper rare bug where he gets glitched after respawn when Gawain attempts to use Forest's Touch on the same frame he dies
Empath - Now doesn't follow her last queued action after she gets out of someone - Fixed a visual bug where the wall visual was expiring 1 second before the real wall expired - Fixed Essence Link so it does DOT damage now
Engineer - Passing through the Energy Field will now automatically break channelling if it hits you - Made Spider Mines have 0 cast time
Legionnaire - Made Whirling Blade proc on fountain attacks - Fixed a small animation bug where he would still be in charging animation if the skill cancels via the distance check
Magmus - Fixed an issue with Eruption's idle animation and the effects
Moraxus - Made More Axes blockable via Arcane Shield and Untouchable
Myrmidon - Weed field now breaks Succubus' Mesmerize - Fixed a bug where Carp would stun you if you were rooted or immobilized and had a movement order queued up
Parasite - Fixed him teleporting to the target's location if the target dies before the Infest projectile impacts - Fixed the Parasite-Gauntlet ult bug
Pharaoh - Fixed a small spawn location bug with his Wrath of the Pharaoh if he turns 90 degrees; it now spawns in the correct position relative to Pharaoh & the target
Rhapsody - Fixed a bug where the DoT from Disco Inferno wasn't being applied if an enemy was stunned inside
Sand Wraith - Fixed his passive AOE triggering Nomad's ultimate and canceling Succubus' Mesmerize
Slither - Fixed a small issue with Poison Spray target cursor not highlighting the correct targets
Wretched Hag - Fixed an extremely rare bug with Bat Blast's cone visual
Lyphen said:
Thanks for the info.
I still feel PLAY NOW is counter intuitive. I play LoL. Click Play, choose type of match, and I'm playing.
Most other games, clicking Play or Join now throws you in the matchmaking queue. In HoN I click Play Now, choose a bunch of options and then nothing. Clicking on Solo Queue, Multi Queue, Play Now. No matchmaking.
Maybe my client is bugged? Or am I missing something?
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Island said:
Did you try hitting the solo button?
Play now --> Solo--> done
Procarbine said:
I hit Solo, a message comes up saying finding matchmaking or something and then nothing. Is there supposed to be a timer or a queue light or something? Cuz it does nothing. I've let it sit for 10+ mins and it doesnt do anything.
Edit: I've reinstalled twice. I have no problems joining games under public matches.
Power throw is basically the same as windrunners power shot, aluna's deja vu(i think thats what its called?) gives movespeed, unitwalking, and slows, which is close enough to windrunners. Shackle shot and alunas stun arent that similar but they fill the roll of stunning 2+ targets or w/e. and the +as from aluna stun is kinda like windrunner ulti?Ultimoo said:
Guesong said:
Haha, that's kind of cool actually. I think if we get people calling Clockwerk "Pharaoh" in Dota 2, we'll have come full circle! Given the initial (and continuing) prevalence of Dota terms being used in HoN, it's somehow fitting if it happens back the other way when HoN players jump into Dota.
liltony822
Neo Member
So are most of you guys moving on to Dota 2 or are just sticking to HoN?
HON is already available and tons of GAFfers are playing it nightly. Aside from noob-friendliness, it already has all the features that everyone has on the wishlist for DOTA2. We don't know if valve will keep DOTA2 in the oven until it's competitive, feature-wise, or if they'll release it with 1/2 to 2/3 of the heroes and features that HON has right now and just fill in the rest over several years.
I only have so much free time for games every night so I'm going to have to commit to a single game at one point in the future. There's also the chance that Diablo3 will be so good that it will consume my life. I was thinking guildwars2 could do that for me but the more videos I watch for it, the less hyped I get.
I only have so much free time for games every night so I'm going to have to commit to a single game at one point in the future. There's also the chance that Diablo3 will be so good that it will consume my life. I was thinking guildwars2 could do that for me but the more videos I watch for it, the less hyped I get.
Diablo2 sucked my life out of me. Diablo3 will do the same..so I won't buy it. The problem with diablo games is that you only can get better items through monster drops..which means you have to play more to get a better chance. I don't have that kind of time..if only I was still single. Dota 2 and Tribes:Ascend will prolly be the two games Ill play.kagete said:
Squire Felix said:
I've already figured it out thanks. My anti-virus wasnt approving hon.exe and wasnt giving me the prompt for access.
And no, I couldn't end the process thru taskman. Taskkill didnt work either. So I'm sorry you find it hard to believe but it happened.
Still cant solo queue though. Says "initializing your connection to the matchmaking system" and then nothing.
EDIT: So I created a new account as people on the forums were having the same issue. My new account can solo queue just fine. /sigh
Does anyone know of any good videos to watch for beginners? I've been doing fairly well, and really its that I can only play a couple rounds a night that makes it difficult, but there are certainly some things I'm not understanding yet. I know all the basics, and can do pretty well with certain heroes, but there just seems to be a few layers to the game that I have yet to learn.