Obama opposed gay marriage as well. Most politicians did. Most people also made a turn on that once they realized it was coming no matter what. I'd rather she actually change her mind on something like that than doubling down on insanity like the right. She can hold the L for the Iraq War but that was both parties dropping the ball there in my opinion, not just Hillary.
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Obama opposed gay marriage as well. Most politicians did. Most people also made a turn on that once they realized it was coming no matter what. I'd rather she actually change her mind on something like that than doubling down on insanity like the right. She can hold the L for the Iraq War but that was both parties dropping the ball there in my opinion, not just Hillary.
I mean after this announcement will people even know or care? She's not going to be in the limelight. Well that's what the article says. I don't think it effects anything a year or two years down the road.
It's no better than wanting to hand the reigns of the part over to someone who makes it a point to note he's not part of the party.
Gordon Shumway
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TestOfTide
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This and Bernie had the nerve to call southern voters stupid. Fuck him and that little bird
Lys Skygge
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Its fucking shameful.
off duty ninja
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I guess it wasn't a vote but she did make the statement that marriage is between a man and a woman.
The bolded is my fucking problem with her. I hate politics BTW and am aware it is just a shell game to keep us distracted anyways. She (and as you said many) doesn't change her mind because she realizes she was wrong, she changes her mind once the majority opinion has shifted so that she can maintain her presence.
I realize people change and sure hope her change was genuine but I don't believe it is and never will. Maybe if I had an opportunity to sit down with her on a human level I would change my opinion but that isn't happening either.
Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb.
When did she vote against gay marriage?
VendettaRed07
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I mean as long as it doesn't I don't have any problems (title is a bit click baity)
This sounds promising and I'm sure she and dean are aware of what would be an appropriate role that aims to help without being "BACK, TO LEAD THE RESISTANCE!!1!1!"
The Technomancer
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Boy I hope you're not a supporter of Bernie "campaigned on his support for the 90s crime bill" Sanders
I could ask you the same thing. She wasn't the devil or anything close but sure whatever.
Carpe Libertatem
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So, what I don't get is that people often talk about how Hillary got cocky and took the election for granted, but also turn around and say that the election should have been a slam dunk/Trump should have been easily beaten. Same with the whole "pied piper" strategy
Not you specifically, but it's something I see a lot that makes no sense.
Fenderputty
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We deserve Trump is this is what gets him term 2. We deserve worse honestly
excelsiorlef
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The title was invented by the OP
Looks like the primary is being re-litigated again, right on time!
Please guys, most Bernie voters turned out for Clinton in the general anyway. This isn't nearly as awful of a picture as some are trying to paint it. Help with grassroots funding campaigns are going to be needed. We can't be the "only Bernie" show. The more resources we have, the better.
Please guys, most Bernie voters turned out for Clinton in the general anyway. This isn't nearly as awful of a picture as some are trying to paint it. Help with grassroots funding campaigns are going to be needed. We can't be the "only Bernie" show. The more resources we have, the better.
I mean the title of the thread literally says Join, not lead or take over.
Nobody reads the OP article.
SporeCrawler
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hilldawg for president
She isn't left by a pretty common conception of the term left. She is left in American discourse because American politics is a debate within liberalism.
Gordon Shumway
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He marched tho..
God no to what? How is this a bad thing? Explain.
UnemployedVillain
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When you're a Berniebro any mention of Hillary that isn't followed by her wallowing in depression hurts
Carpe Libertatem
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So did, like, almost every politician up until the past few years. Including notable ones such as Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, etc
Will a left that only embraced her for being the only option accept her back now that they don't HAVE to?
I mean, i saw a lot of dems in the net speak of her like she was super satan combined with hitler while she was fighting for the nomination and only started to pretend to be okay with her after she won it.
I mean, i saw a lot of dems in the net speak of her like she was super satan combined with hitler while she was fighting for the nomination and only started to pretend to be okay with her after she won it.
The fact that Hillary wants to continue fighting and pushing forward, even after the way America treated her -- such as the ignorant people in this very thread -- is simply more proof that she is legitimately a good person who actually wants to help this country be better.
She tried to do that in 2016. Instead, half of the voters decided to go with a man who was on video admitting to sexual assault.
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Hillary could be contributing 1 million dollars to each of the most progressive candidates for Congress and people would still be calling for her to fuck off. Way to cut your nose to spit your face.
More power to her, and hope it helps the country.
Sirpopopop
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So wait, even when she's doing something, she's trying to do "fuck all"?
Ok...
Puck Beaverton
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GAF brings out the same talking points in every single Hillary thread, and every time the thread is inevitably locked, nobody ever changes their mind.
TheGeniusArcana
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She is undeniably better than the GOP and Trump, AKA the Devil, but that doesn't automatically make her super great either. It doesn't work like that at all.
Captin Quacker
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It not to surprising considering how quickly liberals were willing to throw us under the bus
Once again not a single lesson learn for some people.
This is fantastic stiff ,more which we need.
We need this stuff but people for some reason want to act this way it stupid.
This is fantastic stiff ,more which we need.
Please tell us what have you done for the Democratic party?
We need this stuff but people for some reason want to act this way it stupid.
Fenderputty
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the bill put up by the Clintons...
But Hillary was the devil in the flesh so it's only sticks when she does it.
How is what is being proposed a bad thing. Give me specifics and not your guttural distaste for Clinton please.
excelsiorlef
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Clinton I'm going to give money and raise money for grassroots activists to have the resources they need to fight the good fight.
Weirdos: No you need to keep all your money so every once and awhile we can point at how you're doing nothing but keeping all your money and hate you even more for your greed
Weirdos: No you need to keep all your money so every once and awhile we can point at how you're doing nothing but keeping all your money and hate you even more for your greed
Speak for yourself, the DNC convention should have made every Democrat proud.
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My man, what is the point getting politicians to change their stances and minds on issues like gay marriage, if when they do actually get on your side and take the public action to prove it and do good for the cause, you won't let it count? That's the opposite of being an effective supporter of change
2Smashed4U
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Because that's what you are.
The election should have been a slam dunk but I think she got too complacent with the idea that it was a slam dunk, if that makes sense. I think a more focused campaign would have buried Trump. I honestly don't hate Hillary, in fact I like her and thought she would have made a good president (I voted for her). I just wonder if the L she took from Trump is going to follow her wherever she goes now.
Both sides make ridiculous strawmen and climb up on a very very high horse.
Lots of young leftists have bought into the GOP anti-Hilary rhetoric, just like lots of moderate dems have bought into the right's anti-leftist rhetoric.
That being said at least one side is willing to acknowledge that there is an actual division instead of pretending the other side is only loons.
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