brandonh83
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I mean, to be fair, what was he supposed to do? Outline anything he has in mind that's better? No. Trump is where he is because of the power of the dollar and his loud fucking mouth. He doesn't know what he's doing, or what to say.
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Hillary Clinton: Why you should vote for me
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I mean, to be fair, what was he supposed to do? Outline anything he has in mind that's better? No. Trump is where he is because of the power of the dollar and his loud fucking mouth. He doesn't know what he's doing, or what to say.
gutter_trash
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who pushed for a Public Option in 1993?
that is all you need to know
that is all you need to know
JaseMath
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It's truth in advertising: Number one never mentions number two.
Man Called Aerodynamics
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Pretty much. With the FBI having it out for her and being unable to find anything criminal, twice...moving on was the way to go.
AngmarsKing701
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She's not going eight years. One term. The GOP will get their shit together and nominate someone who isn't a nightmare sociopath.
This is going to be her "birther" movement that's gonna harass her about it for years.
I still can't believe that was a thing last time...
You give them far too much credit.
Permanently A
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They haven't had their shit together in over a decade, why start now?
Dubbedinenglish
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Who is left that is unstained by Trump, and able to appeal to Latino voters?
Astral Dog
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i thought both letters were decently written, surprising coming from Trump.
i know its not written by him 
How will that solve their massive demographic problem, which was exacerbated by this election, and will have grown even more by 2020?
balladofwindfishes
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Party re-alignments don't happen in 4 years. And the GOP has made permanent enemies of key demographics that are exploding all over the country.
Man Called Aerodynamics
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Yeah, just like after Romney their #1 goal was to get someone who would appeal more to Hispanics. Worked out great.
HawksWinStanley
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Meh, I think I'll just stick to voting for local stuff on the ballot. Really don't want to give my vote to either of them.
ShironRedshift
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Not going to happen. The RNC wishes it would naturally, but the people who actually show up to vote in primaries are a different matter. They want someone like Trump, and that's not going to change in four years. If anything, they'll double down on the crazy. No way is a moderate getting past the primaries--it just isn't what the Republican base wants, as this year shows. And Trump's failings will all just be blamed on the media, Hillary, and the RNC and Republican "establishment" politicians not having done enough to support Trump and stabbing him in the back so they will learn nothing.
DangerMouse
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Yup.
Yeah, have a terrible feeling they are going to try some fuckery when she wins, like try to impeach her as soon as she gets in.
Yeah, certainly wouldn't put it (or anything really) past them...
Astral Dog
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fixed
Whether or not Clinton is re-elected will depend on what happend in the next 4 years and who the GOP nominates. Now that Trump has successfully executed the Trump playbook to get the nomination, others will follow.
CrispyBoar
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Already voted for her earlier on an Absentee Ballot, not Donald's ignorant ass.
People that have a brain wouldn't vote for Donald's ass either.
People that have a brain wouldn't vote for Donald's ass either.
Gordon Shumway
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Already filled out the bubble yesterday..kick that orange hoe in the 🐱!
Samurai G0SU
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StrongerTogether!
I voted early for you Madam President!
Lets do this.
I voted early for you Madam President!
Lets do this.
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I mean it's great to dream, but this shit is bonkers. Even with a Democratic majority in Senate, this won't pass the House.
I hope she has a plan B (with the Supreme Court Justices).
Even if the GOP is able to get their shit together (they didn't for defeating the african american president, I doubt they'll do it for the woman), this doesn't take in account that Hillary's popularity always rises when she's in office, which makes it easier for her to go for a re-election.
LUFTRAUSER
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EDIT: Wrong thread.
Have you been paying attention at all what happens in the primaries for the GOP? Every person who runs is forced to go to the far right to get those votes. No one is going to make it out of that GOP primary without offending the people they need to win the presidency. Also, they put up 16 awful as fuck candidates this year. Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, and Ted were the front runner, but they are all awful. Who do you think the GOP is going to turn to next time? Everyone they have is utter trash, and none of them can make it out of the primaries without getting the far right vote.
Edit: In 2012 the GOP had an autopsy report that pointed out they had to be more inclusive especially with minorities or they may have a hard time winning the presidency from here on out due to demographics. They turned to a racist to lead them this year. Does that look like a party that is capable of learning from their mistakes?
Evening Musuko
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At least the GOP have the midterms and state elections. Whatever gains democrats get this year will probably be lost by the time 2018 rolls around. I think they'll start panicking if democrats make gains in 2 years.
You have a weird faith in the GOP, that I do not.
Earthstrike
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You have to take money in politics to win. No candidate who is against money in politics, will ever win an election. That means if you are a candidate who wants money out of politics, your only way to achieve it is to take it to get into office the first place. This is a very important thing to note. I'm against money in politics. If I were a politician, I would absolutely take whatever money I could to get elected, only to enact laws that takes money out of politics. It's not contradictory. It's a realistic analysis of the only viable way to do a moral thing.
LilWayneSuckz
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The plea was excellent and I wish her the best in attempting to achieve it all.
I don't know about anyone else but the one inconsequential good thing that can come from Hillary beating Trump is watching his surrogates pivot saying he was "a bad candidate" after there being almost 2 years of video of people defending his actions.
I don't know about anyone else but the one inconsequential good thing that can come from Hillary beating Trump is watching his surrogates pivot saying he was "a bad candidate" after there being almost 2 years of video of people defending his actions.
ShironRedshift
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For anyone who feels this way: Why not? I mean, might as well vote for one of them while you're there. You're going to be there anyway and one of them's going to be President.
And even if you don't like either of them, I hope you understand that you're not voting for someone to be your friend. You don't have to like them. You can even loathe them! Again, you aren't votign them to be your friend, but the leader of the country. They don't have to be someone you like to be able to do that, but rather be the best leader. The important thing is to consider which one will actually be able to benefit the lives of more people across the country. Which will be able to do the more good for the greatest number of people. And there the choice is clear, considering one candidate has rallied against every group in America save white men and the other hasn't and has actually demonstrated she cares about them.
As a bisexual individual who doesn't want to see justices like Scalia appointed to the Supreme Court who would overturn Obergefell v. Hodges, the kind of judges Trump has said he would appoints if he wins and, thus restricting my freedom to marry who I choose, if I could, I would meet you in person and get on my knees and beg for your vote if I had to. And that's the case even if you live somewhere like Texas or Arkansas or West Virginia or (or alternatively, New York or California or Washington) somewhere else where you feel your vote doesn't matter at all, because that's just not true. It might not matter in terms of the Electoral College in that case, but nonetheless every vote against Trump in the Popular Vote sends that much stronger of a message that we Americans don't stand for that type of hate, and that that's not who we are and that we're suppose better than that.
Now, that might not matter much to you, because you might not have much at stake at this election. But people such as myself do. For us, what's at stake is our ability to marry the people who we love, regardless of that person's sex or gender identity. For my Muslim brothers and sisters across the country, it's the right to feel secure in their personhood and without fear that President Trump or his victory will try to kick them out of the country or otherwise persecute them simply because of their faith. For my Hispanic and Latino Americans who would be in quite a similar position under Trump, always being accused of being an illegal immigrant or if not that nonetheless being a rapist or drug dealer or some other form of criminal. For the African Americans, such as those among the Central Park Five, who Trump still sees as being inherently criminal despite being completely exonerated and the actual culprit having come forward and been convicted to this day as well as the tenants Trump and his father denied housing too simply based on the color of their skin and was thus sued for housing discrimination two separate times on the matter. For the women, who Trump sees as sex objects and pigs, beings who exist for his pleasure and nothing more and nothing less.
None of this may matter to you personally and your vote may not personally affect it or change the tide of any of the matters. But even if that's the case, it still sends that much more powerful message that that type of hate isn't what it means to be an American and isn't who we are. You might not think it does, but to bisexual men and women such as myself across the country, as well my gay, lesbian, and transgender brothers and sisters each vote against Trump really does send that much more powerful of a message that this isn't who we are as Americans and that we're better than that, and that that really does matter to people like me and give me that much more hope in the United States and make me feel that much more positive about our country and the direction we're heading. As it does to my black brothers and sisters who don't want to see a racist elected president and every vote against him sends that much stronger of a message against someone who discriminated against black tenants and tried to lobby for the death penalty to be brought back to New York state because of five black and Hispanic teenagers who had done nothing wrong and were falsely accused. As it does to the Muslim Americans in country, who love this country as much as any other American and just want to worship in peace without being prosecuted for their faith. As it does to Hispanic and Latinos, even if they do happen to be undocumented and are just doing their best to support their families and loved ones and sure as fuck contribute more in taxes to the economy and to better this nation than the person who wants to send them back to Mexico and calls "most" of them criminals and rapists. As it does to women across the country, who don't want to be seen as just sex objects but be respected for who they are and just might appreciate the fact that we could be about to have our first woman President, and she would be one of the most qualified candidates to date for the position even if she might have her flaws.
You might not think your personal vote can send that much of a message against all of that hate, but it does. Each vote really does send that much stronger of message that that isn't who we are as Americans and that that isn't alright and that we're better than that, and that does matter. Maybe not to you, but it does to each and every one of us, and gives us that much more hope in our fellow Americans and the direction this country is going and that does matter. A lot.
So if you yourself can't decide between the candidates, then do it for us. Because it might not matter to you, but it does to each and every one of us. And we're telling you that there's only one candidate in this race: the one that doesn't despise every group in America save white men. So please, vote for her in that case. Because even if it doesn't matter to you, it sure as hell matters to us. And you're not just voting for your president, but the President who will have to represent the entire United States, including every one of those groups I mentioned. And they'll all tell you the same thing I am: that there is only one choice in this election and it does matter how you use that vote. Maybe not for you, but it definitely does for us. So if you can't bring yourself to decide, then at least listen to what we're telling you and use your vote to send that much stronger of a message that that isn't who we are. Because it does matter, and it does add up. Every single vote.
Please. Let people such as myself have faith in this country for once. That we're a country full of people that do care about all of that. That we're full of people that are full of love, and that refuse to accept the hate Trump dishes out towards every group in the United Sates and won't tolerate it even if the other candidate isn't quite perfect because of the sheer level of hate he dishes out that's nowhere close to any of Hillary's flaws (and indeed, I recognize that she's flawed, but there's just no comparison). Let me have faith that not only will the guy get nowhere close to the Presidency, but that the man who wants to or has done all those things I mentioned not only won't win, but will be completely obliterated because not only are those qualities that we refuse to accept in our leaders, but are qualities that we'd refuse to accept even in our friends and let him lose by the largest margin possible to send that message as loud and clear as possible. That we can be better than that, and that we are. Because every bit louder we make that message does make that much more of a difference to people like me and gives me that much more faith. It does.
Please.
Cute Dragon Here
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Comparing between the two letters pretty much makes how the two US presidential candidates are pretty clear, and Hillary Clinton is the one that is making sense on all accounts. She has a working plan for a lot of subjects... almost every other party don't really have it.
Frankly, I'm pretty surprised by a certain group of people who would rather spite Hillary Clinton than anything else, with excuses as bad as "well my political science class said voting third party can do things!" and "I don't like her because it's her".
If only I could vote. Then again, I'm not even remotely near the US and not a citizen, so the most I can do is tell you guys to get or there, and don't let Trump be president. It's OK to make compromises - no one is perfect, anyway, but isn't that what we are supposed to do anyway? Pick the candidate that rings true to what the country should be, to everyone, in and outside the US, and not just to you. It's OK if the candidates have flaws, but in this case, Hillary practically looks perfect compared to... well, you know the rest.
Frankly, I'm pretty surprised by a certain group of people who would rather spite Hillary Clinton than anything else, with excuses as bad as "well my political science class said voting third party can do things!" and "I don't like her because it's her".
If only I could vote. Then again, I'm not even remotely near the US and not a citizen, so the most I can do is tell you guys to get or there, and don't let Trump be president. It's OK to make compromises - no one is perfect, anyway, but isn't that what we are supposed to do anyway? Pick the candidate that rings true to what the country should be, to everyone, in and outside the US, and not just to you. It's OK if the candidates have flaws, but in this case, Hillary practically looks perfect compared to... well, you know the rest.
ShironRedshift
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Indeed. I think that too often people end up focusing on just whether they personally like a candidate or not and lose sight of the fact that whoever wins will be President of all of the United States. Not just your President. Not just my President. But President of all of it. President of your neighbors. President of your friends, and the President of people you don't like as well. When we make that choice, we should be considering not just the effect it has on us personally, but the effect it has on each and every group in America, even if those include some groups we may not agree with. Who will do the most good for America, not just for the groups that I'm personally a part of, but the groups I'm not as well? Who can lead not only the groups I personally belong to, but be a leader even for the groups that I don't belong to and may even disagree with as well? Who can do the most good possible not just for me, but for as many Americans across the country as possible? How can I benefit the most people across the country as possible with my vote?
When one considers the answer to those question, Hillary Clinton is the only candidate that comes close to being acceptable. Even if you don't like her, realize that that isn't what matters since we're not electing her to be our friend or what-have-you and that what does matter is that there's no question that she's the candidate that will at least try to do the most good for the greatest number of Americans and the greatest different groups and will the most celebrate, be appreciative of, and try to benefit the great diversity that makes the United States a great country. And that's why she needs to not only win, but win by the largest margin possible to make that message as clear as possible.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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While she's at it she should really explain Benghazi too.
QuantumZebra
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I at the moment view her as the Democrats George HW Bush... the followup to a highly regarded POTUS who will actually do a decent job but will lose anyway just because of fatigue with the ruling party (granted HW had other issues on top of it, but close enough).
Still - breaking that ceiling and ensuring the SCOTUS is all that matters.
Lord Frieza
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I feel as if you don't understand what this letter actually is.
Please tell me that is sarcasm or that I'm reading this wrong...
It's sad that we have some one that makes Bush look reasonable/moderate/decent. Really really sad. Bush should have been the lowest we go in modern times and let's hope he still is.
Which if they don't drastically change is my nightmare. And honestly, I don't think they can change without doing a massive purge that will have them losing for a bit until they regain strength or the reasonable people flat out leave the party and form their own (in which case hopefully it's the new party that gains strength). The Republican party is too far insane to fix without some massive change that will in the short run hurt the party (because they have a large group they need to win at the moment that is insane and directing their party. Until that group is gone or they leave them and form their own, the Republican party is a nightmare).
Yeah but the Republicans could run some one who looks normal on the outside. Don't tell me Cruz or Pence wouldn't have had an easier time this time if they ran. All they need is some one who can look more calm and reasonable on the outset and a lot of people would be fooled. Sadly, the fact that Hillary doesn't have this in the bag shows that (what hurts Trump is not policy but just his inability to contain himself. Hell... they've contained him for a bit now and look how people are already forgetting about how awful he is. You have undecideds now deciding to go for him and people who claimed they would not vote Trump who otherwise would vote R deciding to go ahead and vote R.
WiiredShawn
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It's definitely sarcasm.
Hillary's closing argument ad for tonight got posted to youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8AE7CzqCFc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8AE7CzqCFc
Superkamikaze
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That's a lot of promises.
oneofthose
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i don't expect anything really to change with her president, like a lot of people who buy into thinking there will be big positive changes with her in shes just better than donald tramp.
Pinko Marx
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Dat soft lighting and soothing piano.
Well right now more of the same is still >>>> Trump or even the Republican party in general. I'll take it though I wish we could have more progressive.
I wouldn't be so sure about that; unless she does a colossally shit job as president, she's going to have a pretty strong advantage running for reelection since it seems to favor sitting presidents.
Theres only been one single term president in the last 35 years (Bush 1), which was likely a freak occurrence due to Ross Perot siphoning off Republican votes which allowed Bill Clinton to win.
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