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http://www.wsj.com/articles/clintons-lead-over-sanders-widens-1453039203

WASHINGTON— Hillary Clinton has widened her lead to 25 percentage points in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.

The former secretary of state leads Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders 59% to 34%, a slightly larger margin than the 19-point gap in December.

The new national poll comes as surveys in Iowa and New Hampshire show the race tightening in the states that play host to the first two nominating contests. While losses there would be a setback for Mrs. Clinton, the new Journal/NBC News survey suggests that she would retain strong advantages in the later primaries. Mrs. Clinton owes her durable lead nationally to her strength with key subgroups in the Democratic primary electorate, including nonwhite, older and moderate-to-conservative primary voters.

The race looks much different in Iowa and New Hampshire. Aggregates of recent polls show the contests to be close in both states, with Mrs. Clinton edging Mr. Sanders in Iowa and the Vermont senator claiming a lead in neighboring New Hampshire.

 

[CoolOff]

Would Hillary be doing as well if she was a man? I feel like the "first female president" prospect is carrying her to a large degree.

At the same time though, I guess there are a lot of voters that refuse to vote for her just for that reason.

 

[Tripon]

Some people aren't feeling the bern.

 

[B-Dubs]

Would Hillary be doing as well if she was a man? I feel like the "first female president" prospect is carrying her to a large degree.

At the same time though, I guess there are a lot of voters that refuse to vote for her just for that reason.

She'd be a lot more popular if she were a man, women in politics have to deal with a lot more double standards due to sexism.

 

[Valhelm]

What can Bernie do to better-appeal to voters of color?

 

[DragonSworne]

Looks like the low viewership of the democratic debates are helping Hillary. (Debate is not up against playoffs).

 

[Veritigo_X]

Looks like the low viewership of the democratic debates are helping Hillary. There is another debate tonight that is scheduled against the NFL playoffs.

Except all the playoff games will be over by the time the debate starts.

These debates have been helping Hillary anyway.

 

[Pastry]

What are the numbers on minorities?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Some people aren't feeling the bern.

What can Bernie do to better-appeal to voters of color?

MLK?

 

[B-Dubs]

Looks like the low viewership of the democratic debates are helping Hillary. There is another debate tonight that is scheduled against the NFL playoffs.

Except she's won ever debate so far, if they wanted to help her they'd put these things on in prime time when everyone's watching.

 

[ivysaur12]

Looks like the low viewership of the democratic debates are helping Hillary. There is another debate tonight that is scheduled against the NFL playoffs.

I thought it was after the games?

 

[Into]

Would Hillary be doing as well if she was a man? I feel like the "first female president" prospect is carrying her to a large degree.

At the same time though, I guess there are a lot of voters that refuse to vote for her just for that reason.

Progressives who are Bernie fanatics cannot complain, they also contribute to the identity politics, so now they have to see their candidate suffer for it.

Its not a switch they can turn on or off.

 

[Republic of Ezo]

Looks like the low viewership of the democratic debates are helping Hillary. There is another debate tonight that is scheduled against the NFL playoffs.

Except she won every single debate.

 

[Slayven]

The post primary thinkpieces will be very interesting.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Looks like the low viewership of the democratic debates are helping Hillary. There is another debate tonight that is scheduled against the NFL playoffs.

Two issues.

1) Games are over well before the debates so you might have wanted to look into that before repeating talking points from twitter.

2) He has lost the debates according to all credible polls and the media.

 

[Valhelm]

Except she won every single debate.

You really think so?

 

[valkillmore]

Bernie going on that barber shop tour with Killer Mike tho.

 

[And_Gignac]

The poll only considers registered dem voters, and people who caucused last election. It didn't consider independents. Terrible poll. But it's the Wall Street Journal, what could you expect.

 

[B-Dubs]

You really think so?

According to every single statistical measure, yes she has.

The poll only considers register dem voters, and people who caucused last election. It didn't consider independents. Terrible poll. But it's the Wall Street Journal, what could you expect.

Independents can't vote in most primaries/caucuses.

 

[Coriolanus]

What can Bernie do to better-appeal to voters of color?

Become 20 years younger and keep going at it until he becomes a household name. Also run a campaign against Not Hillary.

 

[Hilbert]

If there were tons of debates the talking points would shift to "Bernie's ideas can't be conveyed properly in a debate format!"

More debates aren't going to help Bernie. After every debate Clinton is viewed as the winner from both voters and reporters. At some point Sanders just has to get better at debating.

 

[norm9]

Bernie going on that barber shop tour with Killer Mike tho.

Yep. Time for Bernie to call in some favors from Killer Mike. Maybe a new hashtag to refresh the campaign.

 

[Veritigo_X]

The poll only considers register dem voters, and people who caucused last election. It didn't consider independents. Terrible poll. But it's the Wall Street Journal, what could you expect.

Do many independents vote in the democratic primary?

 

[SliceSabre]

Gotta say as a black voter myself I'm just not feeling Bernie. He feels too 'pie in the sky' for me. Not to say I speak for other black voters, just my own perspective abut him.

Spoiler

I didn't vote for Obama during the primary either, I went Hillary.

 

[DragonSworne]

I thought it was after the games?

You're right. I thought today had a night game like last night. Oh goodie. I can watch the debate tonight.

 

[Valhelm]

According to every single statistical measure, yes she has.

What measures would those be?

I thought Sanders came off as much more passionate, honest, and prepared in the debates, but obviously I'm very biased. Clinton seemed bland and almost bored.

 

[billy beane]

What can Bernie do to better-appeal to voters of color?

He needs to hit the Bernie Lean.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

What measures would those be?

I thought Sanders came off as much more passionate, honest, and prepared in the debates, but obviously I'm very biased. Clinton seemed bland and almost bored.

Polls?

 

[Servbot #42]

Here's an interesting article talking about Sander potentially big problems with minorities.

Even if he defeats Hillary Clinton in both Iowa and New Hampshire next month, Senator Bernie Sanders faces a daunting problem when the presidential race moves on to bigger, more diverse states: winning over black voters.

Starting this weekend in South Carolina, he is trying to solve it.

With a blitz of appearances, ads on black-oriented radio stations, a tour of historically black colleges and the help of well-known and not-so-well-known African-Americans, Mr. Sanders is racing to get the word out: He is a lifelong civil rights advocate who marched with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

It's interesting that even if he wins the first two contests he could lose anyway because of his lack black support.

 

[Geist-]

Hmm, I wonder why the NBC poll is so lopsided compared to the last 3 polls released this month (not saying anything, just curious).

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep..._democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

 

[xxracerxx]

So she is killing it with people who actually vote.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Two issues.


2) He has lost the debates according to all credible polls and the media.

??? When you say credible, what do you mean exactly?

 

[B-Dubs]

What measures would those be?

I thought Sanders came off as much more passionate, honest, and prepared in the debates, but obviously I'm very biased. Clinton seemed bland and almost bored.

Every single poll taken of voters after these debates has Clinton winning. You can say how you felt, but apparently the electorate doesn't agree.

??? When you say credible, what do you mean exactly?

He means real polling and not self-selecting internet polls, which are statistically useless.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Gotta say as a black voter myself I'm just not feeling Bernie. He feels too 'pie in the sky' for me. Not to say I speak for other black voters, just my own perspective abut him.

Spoiler

I didn't vote for Obama during the primary either, I went Hillary.

Actually as a black person you have the obligation to speak for all black men

 

[valkillmore]

Yep. Time for Bernie to call in some favors from Killer Mike. Maybe a new hashtag to refresh the campaign.

He needs to hit the Bernie Lean.

Has everyone watched the interview series at Mike's barber shop he did with Bernie? Go watch it. All Bernie needs to do is get out and talk to people and he'll resonate. It will be a slow Bern (lol) but I think he has time to win the nomination. If he does that, he'll win the election. It is very exciting times.

 

[Pastry]

??? When you say credible, what do you mean exactly?

Internet polls immediately post-debate don't count.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Here's an interesting article talking about Sander potentially big problems with minorities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/16/u...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

It's interesting that even if he wins the first two contests he could lose anyway because of his lack black support.

You gotta be kidding me if he's using the he marched with MLK line. Isn't that a negative meme associated with his supporters at this point?

 

[Ogrekiller]

The poll only considers registered dem voters, and people who caucused last election. It didn't consider independents. Terrible poll. But it's the Wall Street Journal, what could you expect.

Evidently, for Bernie to win.

Cue MSM attacking the Bern... except all the articles have been about Clinton losing the lead and how Sanders is surging.

Cherry picked poll, or reality check?

 

[legacyzero]

What can Bernie do to better-appeal to voters of color?

 

[afternoon delight]

So she is killing it with people who actually vote.

Ether from a black cat!

 

[Mushroomer25]

So you're telling me internet forums AREN'T a fair sample size for the larger voting block? Color me shocked.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Internet polls immediately post-debate don't count.

lol

you're breaking the minds of people feeling the Bern right now

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Internet polls immediately post-debate don't count.

fuck hahahaha

 

[AstroNut325]

I'm personally ok with any of the democratic party candidates. I fully support Clinton and Sanders. And I have no reservation whatsoever voting for Clinton.

 

[SliceSabre]

Actually as a black person you have the obligation to speak for all black men

I'm sorry I'll remember that next time. Do I have to go to jail now?

 

[LyleLanley]

The poll only considers registered dem voters, and people who caucused last election. It didn't consider independents. Terrible poll. But it's the Wall Street Journal, what could you expect.

Aren't registered democrats the only people that matter at this point?

 

[Crocodile]

Actually as a black person you have the obligation to speak for all black men

Jesus H. Christ did they actually put a dude in Blackface to try to do some investigative reporting? I......can't. I just ............ can't

 

[Into]

I'm sorry I'll remember that next time. Do I have to go to jail now?

Sir, put your HANDS IN THE AIR WHERE I CAN SEE EM!

 

[giga]

Hmm, I wonder why the NBC poll is so lopsided compared to the last 3 polls released this month (not saying anything, just curious).

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep..._democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

What are you trying to say?

 

[SamVimes]

Two issues.

1) Games are over well before the debates so you might have wanted to look into that before repeating talking points from twitter.

2) He has lost the debates according to all credible polls and the media.

What about the focus groups?