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[excelsiorlef]

Well, obviously if you're a woman or a minority, you're going to be more susceptible to a narrative that speaks directly to you. But that might mean you don't focus as much on other narratives that attack the problem in other ways, like from a purely political or economic perspective. Which is what Sanders mostly does. And what I believe he should do.

What's your favorite type of shovel?

 

[Earthstrike]

I would have expected support for Sanders to be at least as prevalent amongst minorities and women, if not more so.

Well, that's clearly not the case. Most other people predicted hilary to have more support among these groups than bernie. If you expected something that most people didn't, and you were wrong, it might be worth reevaluating your understanding of what you are commenting on.

 

[Hilbert]

Well, obviously if you're a woman or a minority, you're going to be more susceptible to a narrative that speaks directly to you. But that might mean you don't focus as much on other narratives that attack the problem in other ways, like from a purely political or economic perspective. Which is what Sanders mostly does. And what I believe he should do.

Since apparently my last post was too subtle let me spell it out for you.

Stop assuming the reason women and minorities don't support sanders is due to ignorance and the lack of pandering. Understanding why people don't gel with your candidate is the first step in understanding how to reach them.

The fact that you cannot even comprehend this and insultingly insist that it is because of something else is mind boggling.

 

[Dude Abides]

No, it's the children who are wrong.

 

[captainnapalm]

Since apparently my last post was too subtle let me spell it out for you.

Stop assuming the reason women and minorities don't support sanders is due to ignorance and the lack of pandering. Understanding why people don't gel with your candidate is the first step in understanding how to reach them.

The fact that you cannot even comprehend this and insultingly insist that it is because of something else is mind boggling.

What's mind boggling is that people are supporting Hillary Clinton.

This is very serious issue - we know what these politicians get up to - poverty is the least of what they export to the world - many get it much, much worse than that. As a non-American I have a particular distaste for Clinton based on her foreign policy positions and decisions. She should be in prison, not in office.

So I better stand up for the issues and what I think it's right, and be prepared to condemn what I think is wrong. Sanders vs Clinton is a pretty black and white issue for me.

 

[Armaros]

What's mind boggling is that people are supporting Hillary Clinton.

This is very serious issue - we know what these politicians get up to - poverty is the least of what they export to the world - many get it much, much worse than that. As a non-American I have a particular distaste for Clinton based on her foreign policy positions and decisions. She should be in prison, not in office.

So I better stand up for the issues and what I think it's right, and be prepared to condemn what I think is wrong. Sanders vs Clinton is a pretty black and white issue for me.

And Sanders Supporters all over wonder why more women and minorities don't go to Sanders.

HINT: Hyperbolic Demonizing of Sander opponents is not going to get people to go over to his side.

 

[Guileless]

What I'm guessing captainnapalm means is that Bernie is Old Left (descending from the 19th century American Socialist Party) and so is is not embraced by New Left people heavily steeped in identity politics that emerged in the 1960s. That point is made by this column quoting an historian of the American Socialist party who theorizes that:

"What Sanders can and likely will do, though it's not necessarily his intention," says Ross, "is pry open the contradictions in contemporary liberalism." From the time of the New Deal, liberalism has portrayed itself rhetorically as a pragmatic effort to institute something like the agenda of the old Socialist Party. Yet over the past few decades, liberalism has evolved into something very different: an ideology that primarily speaks and appeals to members of public-sector unions, a slew of identity-based grievance groups, and highly credentialed upper-class professionals — all the while continuing to employ the same populist, small-d democratic rhetoric it did in the mid-1930s.

Sanders is well placed to call liberalism's bluff — to challenge Hillary Clinton and the rest of her party to confront the deep tension between what it purports to stand for and the policies for which it repeatedly settles.

 

[pigeon]

Sanders vs Clinton is a pretty black and white issue for me.

Apt phrasing.

 

[Malvolio]

And Sanders Supporters all over wonder why more women and minorities don't go to Sanders.

HINT: Hyperbolic Demonizing of Sander opponents is not going to get people to go over to his side.

If only women and minorities would stop reading posts from captainnapalm!

 

[excelsiorlef]

What's mind boggling is that people are supporting Hillary Clinton.

This is very serious issue - we know what these politicians get up to - poverty is the least of what they export to the world - many get it much, much worse than that. As a non-American I have a particular distaste for Clinton based on her foreign policy positions and decisions. She should be in prison, not in office.

So I better stand up for the issues and what I think it's right, and be prepared to condemn what I think is wrong. Sanders vs Clinton is a pretty black and white issue for me.

Please tell me this is a Benghazi thing.

I know it's probably not but if it was it would be the cap off of every ridiculous thing you've said.

 

[Armaros]

What I'm guessing captainnapalm means is that Bernie is Old Left (descending from the 19th century American Socialist Party) and so is is not embraced by New Left people heavily steeped in identity politics that emerged in the 1960s. That point is made by this column quoting an historian of the American Socialist party who theorizes that:

That still has nothing to do with insulting Women and Minorities as 'easily distracted' or 'too emotional' and how they should just shut up and vote Sanders.

If only women and minorities would stop reading posts from captainnapalm!

OH PLEASE, as if its just one or two people that spout those kinds of things in the Sander's Camp.

 

[Pork]

Minorities know what's up to be honest, HIlary definitely has their best interest over some corporate slave like Bernie. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Wait, are you actually suggesting Hillary isn't a corporate slave?

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And as to whether Hillary would be doing as well if she weren't a woman, her support base would definitely look different. She'd lose a bunch of people she does have currently supporting her, while gaining a bunch of others. Hard to say whether it'd be better or worse, but at this point in time she is definitely riding the femme-card. ie there are for sure a lot of people voting for her specifically because she is a female. That said, there are also probably lots of people who aren't voting for her because she is a female.

All in all though, because all of her opponents are male, she probably does benefit from being a strong female candidate in the race, since the male advantage the other candidates benefit from is so spread out. Though she would have at least had an easier time getting to where she is now were she a male, now that she is where she is I think it's an overall boon to her campaign.

 

[Malvolio]

OH PLEASE, as if its just one or two people that spout those kinds of things in the Sander's Camp.

Perhaps it's time for you to give women and minorities a bit of credit and assume they also can pick a candidate based on their position and not the ramblings of the fringe die-hard supporters.

 

[Armaros]

Perhaps it's time for you to give women and minorities a bit of credit and assume they also can pick a candidate based on their position and not the ramblings of the fringe die-hard supporters.

And most of them are in Hilary's camp right now.

 

[gutter_trash]

What's mind boggling is that people are supporting Hillary Clinton.

This is very serious issue - we know what these politicians get up to - poverty is the least of what they export to the world - many get it much, much worse than that. As a non-American I have a particular distaste for Clinton based on her foreign policy positions and decisions. She should be in prison, not in office.

So I better stand up for the issues and what I think it's right, and be prepared to condemn what I think is wrong. Sanders vs Clinton is a pretty black and white issue for me.

if you don't like Republicans and usually vote Dem, who else would you support who can actually beat Republicans help the DownTicket?

Would Bernie Sanders actually have a positive affect downticket? I don't think so.

Sometimes, there is more beyond just teh President that matters and sometimes a certain candidate does positively or negatively downticket and that too is important

 

[Malvolio]

And most of them are in Hilary's camp right now.

Exactly, and your previous post gave us insight into why you think that is:

And Sanders Supporters all over wonder why more women and minorities don't go to Sanders.

HINT: Hyperbolic Demonizing of Sander opponents is not going to get people to go over to his side.

 

[silvermember]

Okay, so if i don't vote for Hillary, *I* am an uncle tom too? How does that even WORK?

Alright.

Its not enough that i don't vote for a maniac like Trump, or any of the GOP field, i have to 'bend' and fall in line with someone i personally disagree with because you think she must be supported at all costs.

I have already done that with Obama, and it didn't do anything besides bring even more nonsense like the enshrining of TPP. Hillary will have her supporters. You could throw a blind monkey out there and beat Trump. Just don't expect a portion of the voting block to be happy with her if she is the nominee.

I am not calling you an uncle tom, there is nothing inherently wrong with being an uncle Tom. I don't consider uncle tom and Clarence Thomas to be in same thing. I specifically said Clarence Thomas. the reason being you seem to be aware of how things work but willfully choose to ignore reality out of spite, just like he does. In this case due Bernie to not being nominated.

In this country not voting for someone who closely resembles your cause is the same as voting for the other side, given how close U.S elections are.

In the real world not voting it is the same as voting for the other side. I don't vote democrat because I think they will suddenly start caring about minority issues 2 weeks after getting elected. I vote for democrat because it will be far worse for me as a minority and it will be far worse of a span of 20 to 30 years becuase the next president gets to pick two supreme court justices.

I don't particular like Hilary Clinton but I want someone who can actually win. Not some guy fueled by a population that never actually goes out and vote. Bernie is too extreme to win while the conservatives are blindly loyal to their party and will usually vote no matter who gets nominated. I hate saying this but I wish the left was sometimes this blindly loyal. This is the real world not fantasyland.


Added: Clarence Thomas is an uncle Tom that has reached his final form.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

What specifically is it about Bernie that BME/women tend not to like him? I have heard about the BLM protests etc. and from what little i know i havent ever seen anything that suggests Sanders doesnt care or at the very least cares any less than any of the other potential presidents.

Just seems strange, like the most left sided american politician i can remember (from my limited knowledge) yet he is the one getting shit on while more right wing candidates get a free pass (at least thats how it seems from my end).

 

[And_Gignac]

Sanders lack of support with minorities is a myth.

IThere are a couple of polls where Sanders is polling at 30s with hispanics. There are also polls where Sanders is above 20% with black people, which is a stronger number than what Clinton herself did in 2008 (17%). Sanders is also CRUSHING Hillary with women under 45. So yeah, this idea that Sanders only has appeal with sweatty armpit, cishet white redditors is just that, a myth.

He has support, just not enough. Which doesnt undermine the voices of those minorities who actually like Sanders message.

 

[captainnapalm]

What I'm guessing captainnapalm means is that Bernie is Old Left (descending from the 19th century American Socialist Party) and so is is not embraced by New Left people heavily steeped in identity politics that emerged in the 1960s. That point is made by this column quoting an historian of the American Socialist party who theorizes that:

Indeed. It's really no surprise the political establishment on the left has embraced identity politics so readily. They hide behind it. They're happy to have it obscure the real issues and pit people against each other. It makes their job easier.

I would not have been able to frame it in the way the author did, but I did actually spot this particular tension and conflict within the American left, even if I'm not as clued up on the historical context.

 

[gutter_trash]

What specifically is it about Bernie that BME/women tend not to like him? I have heard about the BLM protests etc. and from what little i know i havent ever seen anything that suggests Sanders doesnt care or at the very least cares any less than any of the other potential presidents.

Just seems strange, like the most left sided american politician i can remember (from my limited knowledge) yet he is the one getting shit on while more right wing candidates get a free pass (at least thats how it seems from my end).

minorities tend to be the more loyal towards a party or a candidate then a white.

it's about brand loyalty knowing that traditionally they have their back

 

[BlastProcessing]

Well, obviously if you're a woman or a minority, you're going to be more susceptible to a narrative that speaks directly to you. But that might mean you don't focus as much on other narratives that attack the problem in other ways, like from a purely political or economic perspective. Which is what Sanders mostly does. And what I believe he should do.

Why are women and minorities more susceptible do you think?

What narratives, specifically are they being lured by and what narratives, specifically, should they be focusing on?

 

[Days like these...]

Anectdotal and all but as a minority (Latino) I can honestly say I've never come across another Latino IRL saying yeah I like what Bernie is about but I'm concerned about his electability or I know about Bernie but I prefer Hillary's positions. What I've seen is basically Latinos not bothering to inform themselves and just throwing support behind the candidate they know which is Hillary.

 

[Guileless]

That still has nothing to do with insulting Women and Minorities as 'easily distracted' or 'too emotional' and how they should just shut up and vote Sanders.

The theory is that identity politics is a sideshow that stands in the way of fostering class-based solidarity and has evolved into a system where politicians (Hillary Clinton, for example) who say the right things to the right groups get a pass for advancing the interests of neoliberalism where it counts, in the economic sphere.

 

[gutter_trash]

Why are women and minorities more susceptible do you think?

What narratives, specifically are they being lured by and what narratives, specifically, should they be focusing on?

not being part of the ruling majority makes you susceptible at betting on the safest horse that can actually win and have your back.

 

[Days like these...]

not being part of the ruling majority makes you susceptible at betting on the safest horse that can actually win and have your back.

I've never come across another Latino saying I'm settling for Hillary cause I think she is the safest bet.

 

[Damaniel]

What's mind boggling is that people are supporting Hillary Clinton.

I could argue the same about Bernie voters. He's a non-Democrat (and, one could argue, an anti-Democrat) who called for someone to primary a sitting President (and a damn good one at that), using the party only when it happens to be convenient for him. He has no foreign policy experience, is one-dimensional when it comes to domestic policy, and has only managed to stay in office over the years because he's won a handful of elections in a small, predominantly white state. A fairly large chunk of his supporters seem to believe that by voting him into office that he'll magically cancel all student loans and institute universal health care within a week of entering office, and that he'll figure out how to do it without a Congress that will be even more opposed to his policies than they were with Obama's. He wants to raise taxes on the middle class, and while I understand why he wants to do so and generally believe that his reasoning is at least somewhat sound, 'middle class tax hikes' = 'opponent winning in a landslide' every single time. His fans support him ceaselessly, but don't care in the slightest about any downticket race, even though those downticket candidates are the people who would eventually help to pass his policies.

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of the 'Hillary is just a neocon Republican' garbage. If you actually look at her policies, her legislative record, and her record as Secretary of State, you'll see that she's aligned 95% with Bernie, with the advantage that she actually knows what she's doing. I'll vote for Bernie in the general if somehow he manages to win, but he's totally out of his league.

 

[Cagey]

I've never come across another Latino saying I'm settling for Hillary cause I think she is the safest bet.

Posters on this board have taken the sort of "it's playing the odds and its pragmatism because whites have the luxury to back Sanders whereas others are making a more nuanced cost benefit analysis, dummies" logic and assumed it's guiding decision making for enormous amounts of people.

Most voters are not informed enough to realize that probabilities problem, or the converse, "I'll be good if the candidate I support loses anyway so why not swing for the fences!" in the first place

It's posters here either conjuring up a logical sounding explanation or taking what their own thought process is and assuming it's applicable to everyone.

 

[Hilbert]

Posters on this board have taken the sort of "it's playing the odds and its pragmatism because whites have the luxury to back Sanders whereas others are making a more nuanced cost benefit analysis, dummies" logic and assumed it's guiding decision making for enormous amounts of people.

Most voters are not informed enough to realize that probabilities problem, or the converse, "I'll be good if the candidate I support loses anyway so why not swing for the fences!" in the first place

It's posters here either conjuring up a logical sounding explanation or taking what their own thought process is and assuming it's applicable to everyone.

The problem with assuming that people don't support sanders because they are uninformed is when presented with data like this thread, people end up calling minorities ignorant and uninformed, and that obviously the non-minorities are better informed and know what is best for those poor stupid people.

It is fucking insulting.

 

[pigeon]

Indeed. It's really no surprise the political establishment on the left has embraced identity politics so readily. They hide behind it. They're happy to have it obscure the real issues and pit people against each other. It makes their job easier.

I would not have been able to frame it in the way the author did, but I did actually spot this particular tension and conflict within the American left, even if I'm not as clued up on the historical context.

I mean, if you think institutionalized racism and sexism are just fake issues designed to pit people against each other and obscure the worker's struggle, then good on you, I guess, and yes, Sanders is your candidate. I am impressed with your ability to make even socialism a purely self-serving and self-aggrandizing ethos.

 

[Days like these...]

The problem with assuming that people don't support sanders because they are uninformed is when presented with data like this thread, people end up calling minorities ignorant and uninformed, and that obviously the non-minorities are better informed and know what is best for those poor stupid people.

It is fucking insulting.

I'm a minority and imho many latinos are not informed so they back the default candidate. Simple as that some of you are grossly over thinking this.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I'm a minority and imho many latinos are not informed so they back the default candidate. Simple as that some of you are grossly over thinking this.

also a minority, and yeah, there's a lot of overthinking going on here

maybe among the politically inclined you're gonna see the nuanced, playing the odds approach vs swinging for the fences

but by and large, outside of that group people are just gonna pick the name that looks more familiar

 

[Cagey]

The problem with assuming that people don't support sanders because they are uninformed is when presented with data like this thread, people end up calling minorities ignorant and uninformed, and that obviously the non-minorities are better informed and know what is best for those poor stupid people.

It is fucking insulting.

I agree it comes off as insulting.

It is correct that there's more people, of all creeds, who are less knowledgeable of Sanders existence than they are of Clinton. That's just fact. One has been in the forefront of national politics for two decades. The other hasn't. That's simply brand awareness.

Where it becomes insulting and presumptuous is the idea that non-Sanders supporters are just converts in need of education, meaning only ignorance can lead someone not to support him.

 

[Hilbert]

I'm a minority and imho many latinos are not informed so they back the default candidate. Simple as that some of you are grossly over thinking this.

I am a latino too and I would never presume to know what all of us are thinking.

Can we cancel each other out now, and stop assuming things?

 

[Days like these...]

also a minority, and yeah, there's a lot of overthinking going on here

maybe among the politically inclined you're gonna see the nuanced, playing the odds approach vs swinging for the fences

but by and large, outside of that group people are just gonna pick the name that looks more familiar

Thank You!

 

[Days like these...]

I am a latino too and I would never presume to know what all of us are thinking.

Can we cancel each other out now, and stop assuming things?

So you've come across these informed Latinos who prefer Hillary's positions over Bernie's? You've come across Latinos settling for the 'safe bet' hillary IRL? because apart from you I have never come across one much less IRL. Majority of the time it boils down to supporting/voting for the democrat you know. Which is Hillary hence the support.

 

[Fatalah]

Hillary stacks up really well when it comes to truth-telling, which is huge for me.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/


http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

 

[Hilbert]

So you've come across these informed latinos who prefer Hillary's positions over Bernie's? You've come across Latinos settling for the 'safe bet' hillary IRL? because apart from you I have never come across one much less IRL. Majority of the time it boils down to voting for the democrat you know.

Yes to both those questions, but who I know and who I talk to is irrelevant in this discussion. Who some individuals talk to does not give anyone leeway to call huge portions of people ignorant, especially in a population that has been struggling against such bigotry for a long time. You think Women, African Americans and Hispanics haven't had these insults leveled at them for a long long time now? Stop adding to it.

 

[captainnapalm]

I could argue the same about Bernie voters. He's a non-Democrat (and, one could argue, an anti-Democrat) who called for someone to primary a sitting President (and a damn good one at that), using the party only when it happens to be convenient for him. He has no foreign policy experience, is one-dimensional when it comes to domestic policy, and has only managed to stay in office over the years because he's won a handful of elections in a small, predominantly white state. A fairly large chunk of his supporters seem to believe that by voting him into office that he'll magically cancel all student loans and institute universal health care within a week of entering office, and that he'll figure out how to do it without a Congress that will be even more opposed to his policies than they were with Obama's. He wants to raise taxes on the middle class, and while I understand why he wants to do so and generally believe that his reasoning is at least somewhat sound, 'middle class tax hikes' = 'opponent winning in a landslide' every single time. His fans support him ceaselessly, but don't care in the slightest about any downticket race, even though those downticket candidates are the people who would eventually help to pass his policies.

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of the 'Hillary is just a neocon Republican' garbage. If you actually look at her policies, her legislative record, and her record as Secretary of State, you'll see that she's aligned 95% with Bernie, with the advantage that she actually knows what she's doing. I'll vote for Bernie in the general if somehow he manages to win, but he's totally out of his league.

Look, I didn't mean to attack your candidate so directly. I realize that's probably counterproductive. I was getting encircled though.

I know people think they are being quite pragmatic and sensible and at least a little bit liberal by voting for Clinton, and I can even understand to a certain degree being an American and maybe not wanting to rock the boat too much.

But she really is a warhawk and a friend of the neo-cons. Noted Neo-con Robert Kagan, for example, was one of her foreign policy advisors, along with his wife Victoria Nuland.

Kagan is co-founder of the Project for the New American Century - which is like the ultimate neocon blueprint. His wife you might remember having a hand in "promoting democracy" in the Ukraine. There were those famous leaked phone calls where she said 'Fuck the EU'.

Here's what Kagan said about Clinton's foreign policy:

“I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy,” Kagan told The New York Times. “If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue,” he added, “it’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.”

And she did. The neocons cheered on the US intervention in Libya, and the escalation in Syria. Clinton has helped facilitate this. We also know she voted for Iraq and Afghanistan. Her foreign policy views are aligned with arch conservatives and the very same people whose thinking helped shape the Bush presidency.

 

[Vice]

Okay, so if i don't vote for Hillary, *I* am an uncle tom too? How does that even WORK?

Alright.

Its not enough that i don't vote for a maniac like Trump, or any of the GOP field, i have to 'bend' and fall in line with someone i personally disagree with because you think she must be supported at all costs.

I have already done that with Obama, and it didn't do anything besides bring even more nonsense like the enshrining of TPP. Hillary will have her supporters. You could throw a blind monkey out there and beat Trump. Just don't expect a portion of the voting block to be happy with her if she is the nominee.

You can't toss out just anyone and expect to beat Trump, or any other repub nominee. Their base in incredibly strong and constantly shows up to votes. After 8 years of Obama they're also very amped up and have been working in droves to get support for their candidate of choice and will fall in line to make sure Bill's Wife and That Socialist don't get elected. Being able to debate and persuade moderate voters will be very important in this years election.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

You mean to tell me that Bernie mostly appeals to young, white, males. Color me shocked.

 

[Days like these...]

Yes to both those questions, but who I know and who I talk to is irrelevant in this discussion. Who some individuals talk to does not give anyone leeway to call huge portions of people ignorant, especially in a population that has been struggling against such bigotry for a long time. You think Women, African Americans and Hispanics haven't had these insults leveled at them for a long long time now? Stop adding to it.

ALL I am saying is that MANY latinos are not informed so they will back the default candidate if you want to feel some type of way about that. Its on you.

 

[VendettaRed07]

What does it say that straight white males have their heads seemingly screwed on straighter than the rest? Maybe the others are falling for false and pervasive social narratives that create false perceptions of reality, while the rest are actually more in touch with reality and able to see the real problems more clearly?

I don't know but it's an interesting phenomenon. I would have expected support for Sanders to be at least as prevalent amongst minorities and women, if not more so. I know Bill Clinton was popular with black people and that's probably extending to Hillary, but I would have thought they would have mostly seen through the whole Clinton thing by now. And I know Hillary is a woman, but so what when she's so clearly an establishment figure.

Last night as her closing statement, without being prompted or asked about it, Hillary brought up Flint and how disgusting that entire situation is and how politicians in that state would never have allowed that to happen in a rich white suburb. It's reasons like that as to why Hillary does well with minorities. Not to say Bernie doesn't fight the fight as well or doesn't have a fantastic record but acting like they are being tricked into liking Hillary or "don't know any better" because they don't support Bernie is a joke.

 

[Hilbert]

ALL I am saying is that MANY latinos are not informed so they will back the default candidate if you want to feel some type of way about that. Its on you.

What exactly are you saying in regards to this thread?
Are you explaining the huge statistical advantage that Clinton has with Latinos by saying this is because they are uninformed?

And further, non latinos, non African americans and men are not as susceptible to being uninformed?

 

[Kazerei]

Look, I didn't mean to attack your candidate so directly. I realize that's probably counterproductive. I was getting encircled though.

I'm not quite sure you actually understand why people were up in arms over your posts, so I'll try to spell it clearly.

The problem is you attacked minorities as being ignorant and easily deceived by the "wrong" narratives, and pretty much said that straight white men are the best.

If you want to attack Hillary and her record, go right ahead.

 

[gutter_trash]

it's just that leisurely whites can afford do joke votes, not vote, or do risk votes

 

[Days like these...]

Yes I do believe that we latinos are generally not as politcally inclined or as well informed as whites. So very often we will support the default candidate. If you want to feign indignation or offense at that statement be my guest.

 

[Nuu]

Minorities don't like Bernie likely because of three reasons. The first is that they are hardly familiar with him and are familiar with Clinton.Hillary Clinton has been a household name since the early 1990s. The Clinton's became very popular with minorities. But Sanders? Who the fuck is Sanders? Just some random guy from Vermont who appeared at the stage. The second is that Sanders is from Vermont which is racially homogeneous, compared to Hillary who is experienced in New York which is very diverse. Hillary knows how to campaign to minorities, Sanders has zero experience with that. It takes years of experience to know how to reach a demographic. Peope could point to Obama, but he was a community organizer... The final reason is because Sanders is a Socialist. Now people can argue all they want about how Sanders policies should appeal more to minorities because they are more left wing then the majority white populace, at least economically, which is true. However this doesn't mean they gel welk with Socialism. It isn't that minorities dislike Socialism, it is just that it has been a very foreign thong to them outside of the Black Panthers, a niche party, in the 1960s. There is a reason that socialist movements in the country is a sea of white people with only sone exceptions. Socialism isn't seen as "hip" to most minorities for one reason or another.

 

[Hilbert]

Yes I do believe that we latinos are generally not as politcally inclined or as well informed as whites. So very often we will support the default candidate. If you want to feign indignation or offense at that statement be my guest.

I will but it won't be feigning, thanks. I am sorry we can't all be as smart as white men.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

The problem with assuming that people don't support sanders because they are uninformed is when presented with data like this thread, people end up calling minorities ignorant and uninformed, and that obviously the non-minorities are better informed and know what is best for those poor stupid people.

It is fucking insulting.

People shouldn't stereotype. That goes for Hilary supporters too, who have made a lot of really jarring racial/sexist stereotypical remarks about the sort of people who support him, because shit reasons.

There is a discussion to be had about tendencies of people voting against their best self-interest, but that has nothing to do with your skin color or your genitals, everything to do with your values.
It's not uncommon for people who hold radical values on the spectrum to make with-us-or-against us remarks.