Hollywood Reporter: Edgar Wright just left Ant-Man
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SMH. Pym is the beeknees, adn the Smartest person they can legally use.
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Good find.
To be fair, the 8 years collectively comes from shaping the Marvel Cinematic Universe and The World's End. So we know Ant-Man faced a delay as a result of Wright pushing the third movie of the Cornetto trilogy up.
It still doesn't change the amount of work he put into it. Him and Cornish had been writing drafts and working with Marvel intermittently for 8 years.
That's prep work. The test footage was created. Pre-visual work. Casting. More sceeentests. This all admittedly came later, but Wright was given the go ahead to cast and do more prep work after he had wrapped The World's End.
This doesn't change the fact that him and Cornish had been writing drafts and working with Marvel on Ant-Man since 2006.
Marvel had waited for him and adjusted their phases so he could make the film. His departure after all of this time is still strange. Why the sudden reversal? Why the loss in faith in what Wright was trying to do?
If the Latino Review scoop is true, I'm curious to know who in Marvel's management suddenly took issue with what he was doing. Why bat for him and Cornish for years and support what they're doing, then take a major turn? It doesn't make much sense, unless other heads started coming in to provide feedback.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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On the one hand, if true, that is very frustrating.
On the other hand, it is Latino Review.
FYI, the vast majority of mainstream Hollywood films are run in this fashion, in which the producers have the ultimate creative power over the director. Only really powerful directors (Spielberg, Scorsese) have the power of final cut.
This is true.
If you guys think Marc Webb's making the Spider-Man film he absolutely wants, you're wrong.
It's more like a committee of producers and studio heads submitting their notes to Webb, who must then translate that feedback into a cut the studio is collectively happy with.
With big budget behemoths, the director helps steer the ship, but rarely do they get final cut.
Scorsece and Spielberg are way beyond the point where they aren't also major producers in their own films.
What you wanna fight about it? Yost is a great writer both on animated TV and comics. He'd do an Ant-Man movie justice.
What you wanna fight about it? Yost is a great writer both on animated TV and comics. He'd do an Ant-Man movie justice.
he is clearly doing so now.
Yeah that Thor 2 movie he wrote was a real genre definer.
peanutbutterlatte
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It was "fine" though. That's what Thor 2 was in essence; it was ok. An inoffensive sequel that broke no boundaries or did anything exciting in particular.
Bobby Roberts
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It's actually not that bad when you break it down, but not many people go to the trouble of breaking it down, and it's easier to just lump all the contributors under one name.
It's not too diffferent from the way Aint it Cool News used to be back in the early 2000s.
When they fuck up, they fuck up big. But they don't fuck up big THAT often. The name of their site ends up becoming shorthand for posters/commentators to essentially say "I'm smarter than all this bullshit I'm sharing with you, there's no way they're gonna FOOL ME"
And then people share links to completely unknown link-aggregators obviously chasing hints like 1-800-Lawyers chase ambulances with no comment or irony.
"Oh, it came from LATINO REVIEW? HARF HARF HARF. Okay, whatever. I'll believe that when I believe R. Kelly doesn't have bladder problems. Now, you wanna know what really happened? Check out this story from NobodysEverHeardOfThisSite.com, which has the REAL scoop that nobody else anywhere has!"
Not to the degree that Marvel has. As I said there's a reason that Marvel hasn't been chasing 'name' directors but instead choosing to work with TV directors and people with just one or two credits under their belt, it's because they aren't looking for directors to 'authour' their work.
Also DGA rules say that every director working on a studio is allowed to cut his or her film as they see fit and submit it to the studio. The studio then decides on what it wants to do with the film as they aren't obliged to release the director's film as is.
When a director is allowed "final cut' it's actually a contractual stipulation written down in the legal frame work of the deal.
Bobby Roberts
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I believe Feige's given an interview before where he explicitly states this. I think he was discussing Louis Leterrier's work on The Incredible Hulk, in fact.
When people applaud Marvel's production pipeline, they're essentially applauding the 40s/50s Hollywood studio system.
Rafa=FedKilla
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That's what you are going to get from Chris Yost, a sterile and lifeless story that will fit firmly in the MCU. He is the Great Value version of writers. Disney will still make money of merchandising and control the supply chain.
BlackNMild2k1
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I don't agree with at all. Marvel may have every intention of Ultron being created by Pym, but Wright has been working on this script since BEFORE Ironman. It was thought to be one of the original movies that were to start the MCU, and then it had a 2nd chance to happen between The Avengers and Cap 2, but Marvel allowed Wright to put it on the back burner to fullfill a promise to a "dying" friend by filming The World's End.
Had Wright actually finished the film on time (anytime before Cap 2) the story likely would have stayed mostly intact with only minor changes to drop hints towards the upcoming Ultron.
Marvel has been more than generous on their timeline with Wright, and as sad as I'm sure most are to see him leave this project of passion for him, the MCU is NOW bigger than any individual director or movie as everything has to fit into an existing outline.
They just couldn't give him anymore time. They were going to use the character, if he wanted to direct the movie, then it needs to fit in and it has to happen now.
If he wanted the movie to be the way he wanted it, he should have fit it into his schedule back in 2008-2011.
I was looking forward this movie for all this time specifically for Edgar Writght, but regardless of who directs it now, I will look forward to it since it continues the MCU storyline. I'm sad to see him go, and hopefully he can come back and do the sequel or something, but Marvel and the MCU have a schedule to keep, so they must move on.
also, alter egos/hidden identities haven't been needed in Marvel movies up this point. And all of them would have been blown already anyway.
Exactly. Marvel films are popular and I've certainly enjoyed some of them but there is a 'cost' to be paid for such a prolific conveyor belt of films set within a unified cinematic universe.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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No wonder.
Sektor on a date
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Does that go for Whedon as well? I wonder if it was always like that or it was implemented post-Disney buyout
peanutbutterlatte
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Nope. I'm pissed by this to no end, but I would have never sacrificed WE for it. His most crafted, well-rounded movie to date.
peanutbutterlatte
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Very low I imagine, but I still want it to happen.
Given that Edgar Wright left so late in the game I imagine that Marvel will either bring back someone they've worked with in the past (Joe Johnson?) or with someone on the short list from previous director searches for the Thor and Captain America sequel and take up where Wright left off.
Casting is apparently largely in place and I also imagine that most of the pre production, VFX work has been so with most of the 'heavy lifting' down Marvel just need a body to occupy the director's seat for the production.
They won't get a name but they will get a 'shooter' to come in and do the work for them to meet the timetable they have set out.
Yeah, that's where I first heard about it. When they were negotiating with Whedon to do the first movie, Feige asked him why he'd want to drop his own creator-owned work to do something where he wouldn't have final cut.
Future Foundation
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Im sure this was going to be good flick, but if he wanted to make this some standalone quirky film that strayed from the source material and didnt fit into the MCU then good riddance. Keep him away from everything marvel if thats the case. His movies are fine, especially shaun of the dead & scott pilgrim...hot fuzz was shite to me. i liked the worlds end...but none were spectacular but Shaun. I had no idea people felt this strongly about his work lol. I think hes better suited for something like the Gem remake then any marvel movie.
Im sure marvels choice will result in the best possible movie
Im sure marvels choice will result in the best possible movie
Reminds me of Macklemore's self serving tweet after the Grammys (although, Macklemore's tweet was much more slimy for a different reason)
"Hey nerds, I'm on your side! I won't actually do anything about it, but I'll tweet and show I'm one of you!"
They didn't seem to have told Edward Norton that.
Because Norton wasn't a director lol dude got big for his britches, though I'm sure his changes would have been fantastic.
Messypandas
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The mans never eaten a Cornetto in his life
raise your cornettos high!
ReturnOfTheRAT
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A showy, calculated move to reassure people.
Messypandas
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I'll be pouring out a Classico tonight for my fallen homie.
Exterminieren
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I don't want Wright's masterpiece sacrificed for a superhero movie, thanks all the same.
I agree but would also say that the best directors were able to make personal works within the studio system in those years. Ford, Hawks, Hitchcock, Sturges, Fuller. So a great writer/director (Black, maybe Gunn or Wright) could feasibly follow the Marvel blueprint while satisfying the higher ups.
Norton's always been a pain in the ass to work with. See American History X.
This "scoop" reeks of bullshit considering what we already know about how Marvel Studios' process works, on multiple accounts. From forcing the inclusion of franchise characters to the script rewriting (lol).
peanutbutterlatte
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I've always liked you.
Poofynamanama
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"you wanna fight about it" is probably the most pathetic thing you could say to someone to sound tough on an internet gaming forums. LOL.
BlackNMild2k1
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If it came down time tables, and Wright not being able to meet them.... then that's Wright's fault as Marvel had given him more than enough time to get this project underway.
If it came down to last minute script rewrites that didn't mesh with the original story, well... that kinda falls on Wright too, as once again Marvel had given him more than enough time to have had this movie out years ago on his own terms and likely with minimal input/changes.
I would still like to know the real reason why this parting of ways took place, but in the grand scheme of things, this is definitely a larger blow to Wright than either the MCU or it's millions upon millions of fans. This could have made him a more household name and goto guy for future big projects/sequels.
If it came down to last minute script rewrites that didn't mesh with the original story, well... that kinda falls on Wright too, as once again Marvel had given him more than enough time to have had this movie out years ago on his own terms and likely with minimal input/changes.
I would still like to know the real reason why this parting of ways took place, but in the grand scheme of things, this is definitely a larger blow to Wright than either the MCU or it's millions upon millions of fans. This could have made him a more household name and goto guy for future big projects/sequels.
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