Holy crap Teenagers really should not smoke weed

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-school-than-those-who-never-use/?tid=rssfeed

Teenagers who smoke marijuana daily are over 60 percent less likely to complete high school than those who never use. They're also 60 percent less likely to graduate college and seven times more likely to attempt suicide. Those are the startling conclusions of a new study of adolescent cannabis use out today in The Lancet Psychiatry, a British journal of health research.

In a conference call, study co-author Edmund Sillins said that the relationship between cannabis use and negative outcomes is significant even at low levels of use (e.g., less than monthly), and that "the results suggest that there may not be a threshold where use can be deemed safe" for teens.

I've regretted how much weed I smoked in high school for a long time now. I just feel stupider.
 
Although I think that weed is a symptom here and not a cause, teenagers shouldn't be smoking anything daily. It just ain't worth it.
 
I think as with most of these things, it's about moderation right? I think even most of those favouring legalization will agree that smoking weed daily is not advisable, especially not for teenagers.
 
They needed a study for it?

Excess pot smokers might not be dangerous to society, but most I know I wouldn't exactly call motivated.
 
Yup correlation =/= causation necessarily but those numbers are significant enough that I think* there might be a grain of truth there.
 
Like most things, just wait until you get to college.
EDIT: Not surprising that teens getting into purchasing illegal substances can lead to other bad habits.
 
No, they probably shouldn't, but is the cannabis responsible for the negative outcomes in this case, or is the cannabis use the result of other problems in the teens' lives (socioeconomic issues, family issues, depression)? The teens in this case might be using the cannabis as an escape from an otherwise shitty life - one where they were going to have a hard time graduating from school or were at higher risk of suicide anyway regardless.

(Not trying to say that the study is invalid or that teenagers should be using to their heart's content - I'm just curious which behavior is driving which...)
 
Yup correlation =/= causation necessarily but those numbers are significant enough that I think* there might be a grain of truth there.

Wouldn't it also have to take into account the lifestyle choice that conditions the teenager to smoke so often? Maybe it can start as escapism, hence all of the habits one seems to be more prone to by being a daily consumer. My brother-in-law has been like this since the death of his mother, and he's been using weed to numb himself, so I can very clearly see it as a method to escape, no different than video games, hard drugs, or any other endeavour taken to an extreme.
 
This is both true and not true in my case. I smoked a fuckton of dope in high school, among other things, and ended up getting kicked out my final year.
However, I finally got my high school diploma at 21, and I'm currently finishing up my final year of college and if things continue going the way they have been I will graduate with honours. It was more the skipping class to get high than the drug itself that really affected me.
 
I think as with most of these things, it's about moderation right? I think even most of those favouring legalization will agree that smoking weed daily is not advisable, especially not for teenagers.
This is true because my good friend smokes it on a daily basis and it can get quite annoying sometimes. He always wants to get high for everything. There was this one time we had decided to go to a Korean BBQ joint near our area and he was like "hold on I need to get high before we go." I'm like "the hell? Let's just go and eat" and he's all like "I need to get high to enjoy the food."
 
This is both true and not true in my case. I smoked a fuckton of dope in high school, among other things, and ended up getting kicked out my final year.
However, I finally got my high school diploma at 21, and I'm currently finishing up my final year of college and if things continue going the way they have been I will graduate with honours. It was more the skipping class to get high than the drug itself that really affected me.

If you were skipping class to get high, wouldn't that be the drug itself affecting you?
 
Correlation and causation.

Exactly. These "findings" almost always make more sense when you flip the statements.

"Teenagers who drop out of high school and end up committing suicide are also far more likely to be the type of people to happily try marijuana or other drugs."
 
Correlation and causation.

Confusion factors are probably accounted for, though.

Exactly. These "findings" almost always make more sense when you flip the statements.

"Teenagers who drop out of high school and end up committing suicide are also far more likely to be the type of people to happily try marijuana or other drugs."

You can control those variables (up to negligible degree).
 
This is true because my good friend smokes it on a daily basis and it can get quite annoying sometimes. He always wants to get high for everything. There was this one time we had decided to go to a Korean BBQ joint near our area and he was like "hold on I need to get high before we go." I'm like "the hell? Let's just go and eat" and he's all like "I need to get high to enjoy the food."

No doubt it can become a bad habit. Some folks can't function without it.
 
Correlation and causation.

They found "clear and consistent associations between frequency of cannabis use during adolescence and most young adult outcomes investigated, even after controlling for 53 potential confounding factors including age, sex, ethnicity, socioeconomic status, use of other drugs, and mental illness."

I don't know if the science is sound but spouting off pre-concieved phrases isn't the way you advance knowledge.
 
Correlation and causation.

It's incredibly likely that there's a common cause, though, and it seems unlikely that developing a habit for an illicit substance early on in life (addictive or not) could possibly be psychologically healthy and wouldn't increase the tendency toward other irresponsible behaviors.

But maybe I've just seen this story play out too many times.
 
There's definitely a self-medication aspect to it, but I'm also inclined to agree that unlike alcohol, having a hard 21+ limit for legalized Marijuana is probably important until we know more about how it impacts adolescent brain development.
 
This is true because my good friend smokes it on a daily basis and it can get quite annoying sometimes. He always wants to get high for everything. There was this one time we had decided to go to a Korean BBQ joint near our area and he was like "hold on I need to get high before we go." I'm like "the hell? Let's just go and eat" and he's all like "I need to get high to enjoy the food."
It's an easy trap to fall into because all the little things in life are better when you're stoned. Problem is, you can end up forgetting about the big things.
 
If you were skipping class to get high, wouldn't that be the drug itself affecting you?
Sorry, that was unclear. I meant more that the drug didn't really affect my ability to function and think critically when completing assignments. I could still write well and usually got good marks on tests and exams. The problem was I wouldn't GO to the tests or not complete the homework.
 
You can control those variables (up to negligible degree),
though.

Explain. The wording attempts to establish the smoking of marijuana as the cause for not completing school or committing suicide. What evidence do they have for that?
 
Anecdotes and all, but two of my best friends that smoke weed really have zero motivation to do anything with their lives. Theyre lazy as fuck and are high almost every moment theyre awake. Its like theyre dependent on weed for functioning nowadays. Its a shame since they were pretty bright students in HS and college.

I'm all for legalization but I'm glad its not something I got caught up in. Tried it in college, did goofy stuff and moved on.
 
Explain. The wording attempts to establish the smoking of marijuana as the cause for not completing school or committing suicide. What evidence do they have for that?

They don't say it's "the cause." They just say that, given the statistics, it may not be advisable to deem cannabis use "safe" for teens. In the absence of a more complete understanding, what other conclusion should they reach?
 
The study was done in two places (Australia and New Zealand) where Marijuana is ILLEGAL. I wonder instead if the type of kids who were always going to drop out were also the type of kids who were willing to break the law and smoke marijuana?

Why don't they wait another year or two and then try this in Colorado or somewhere where marijuana is legal? Wouldn't that make more sense?
 
Kid in my building smokes weed constantly. He argues with his mom about going to school and his dad is always in and out of jail.

I don't think it's the weed that's the issue. I think the overconsumption of weed is a symptom of bigger issues. If someone is doing ANY recreational drug (Yes, even alcohol. No, not coffee) everyday they tend to have issues.
 
The study was done in two places (Australia and New Zealand) where Marijuana is ILLEGAL. I wonder instead if the type of kids who were always going to drop out were also the type of kids who were willing to break the law and smoke marijuana?

Why don't they wait another year or two and then try this in Colorado or somewhere where marijuana is legal? Wouldn't that make more sense?

Marijuana's not legal to people under 21 in Colorado.
 
You should smoke when you're in your 20s because your brain, lifestyle, and work ethic is still developing as a teenager. It's just too much of a liability where it's criminalized, and not worth the money, trouble, health, etc.
 
They don't say it's "the cause." They just say that, given the statistics, it may not be advisable to deem cannabis use "safe" for teens. In the absence of a more complete understanding, what other conclusion should they reach?

They don't say "cause," of course, but by using wording like "less likely," they are trying to imply some kind of causation.

I think this kind of thing is just irresponsible. There were probably a ton of other shared factors between these people other than smoking weed.
 
Explain. The wording attempts to establish the smoking of marijuana as the cause for not completing school or committing suicide. What evidence do they have for that?

If it's a well done study, then the sample would be constructed well enough to minimize the probability of other likely explanations, such as socioeconomic background and mental health, being the cause. Unless you want to argue that the number of "normal" teens doing pot is so small that getting a representative sample is nearly impossible. Now, If you want to argue that the study wasn't well constructed, then that's another issue.
 
Honestly depends on your character (anecdote incoming). I have friends that smoked weed throughout high school and got accepted to med school.
 
I'm just gonna throw this out there but I don't think anyone should smoke weed daily and I'm not surprised to see that behavior associated with other problems anymore than someone who drinks daily. I would very much like to see the stats for kids who smoke weed occasionally or rarely.
 
I made a conscious decision to not start smoking weed until I finished high school. I would ask my hypothetical children to do the same.
 
You can control those variables (up to negligible degree).

You can attempt to control for these variables, but in almost all instances there's something that's left out.

But let's be real: high school is time consuming. If you're smoking daily, you probably don't have time to do a thorough job on homework, studying for exams, college planning, etc.
 
Researchers found that, after controlling for 53 factors ranging from socioeconomic differences to mental health, young adults who used marijuana more frequently before age 17 were more likely to have worse outcomes by age 30 for high school completion, university degree attainment, suicide attempts, and other illicit drug use. They found no correlation between adolescent pot use and depression or welfare dependence.

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In that sense, the study doesn't add much to what public health experts know about marijuana. Prior studies have correlated adolescent pot use to faults in cognitive development. The question for researchers has always been whether that correlation equals causation — and this latest study, despite its strong controls, doesn't provide a complete answer.
http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/9/10...-marijuana-use-associated-with-worse-outcomes

Teens shouldn't use drugs. The brain is still developing and strong drug use may impact it.
 
I made a conscious decision to not start smoking weed until I finished high school. I would ask my hypothetical children to do the same.

Eh, it shouldn't be a problem if my hypothetical children are raised correctly. I'll make sure they know weed is just a recreational drug and school should always be a priority.
 
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