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[Toparaman]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-school-than-those-who-never-use/?tid=rssfeed





I've regretted how much weed I smoked in high school for a long time now. I just feel stupider.

Why don't you actually read the article you linked to, OP?

 

[VASPER]

I may be a edge case here but i started blazing when i was 16 and have the dream job by 18, I didn't drop out of high school and i went to community college so fuck this! I know that I cannot smoke when i go to work or when i have chores to do at my house so what ever. I'm sure the same could be said for alcohol.

 

[Lonely1]

I was under the assumption that posting full articles was against the TOS. I appreciate your effort though in trying to get more people to actually read the article.

As long as the source is legal, I think is okay.

 

[paskowitz]

I think who and in what situation you smoke (and drink) makes a big difference.

 

[squidyj]

A behavior occurring is just as valid a criteria as cancer appearing. Or are you suggesting that cancer is only caused by smoking?

Im saying that I think it's far less likely that the desire to smoke and a cancerous tumor have the same root cause.

 

[akachan ningen]

Actually, it's pretty intellectually dishonest and antiscience for a person to dismiss an entire study based on that argument. At least try to have a criticisms of the study design, instead of relying on a blanket statement. It's the same argument conservatives use when refuting gun-control and global warming studies.

ACTUALLY, implying that this correlation is valid is anti-science. I'm not dismissing it based on an argument but rather on the design, which I thought didn't need to be explained but since you don't get it I'll tell you. The article points out some flaws, first of all:

First, the causality isn't 100 percent clear. The researchers did a fantastic job of trying to account for a number of confounding factors. But particularly when it comes to the educational outcomes, there are a lot of factors at play. For instance, if a teacher knows or even suspects that a certain kid is using drugs, that may predispose the teacher against that student. "Teachers are very likely to stigmatize drug users," says Joseph Palamar, co-author of another recent study comparing teen marijuana and alcohol use. "That stereotype gives kids problems, and that kid's not gonna want to go to class."

Palamar also says that because marijuana "is an illegal drug, you have to buy it in an illegal manner, and then you’re exposed to the black market. Marijuana use is affiliating you with other kids, some of whom might be problematic – people more likely to question authority. You become affiliated with things that might have a negative impact on your education."

Moreover, Palamar's research shows that because of marijuana's legal status, teen cannabis users are much more likely to get into trouble with the police than teen alcohol users. And in many cases, if you have a drug conviction on your record, you become ineligible for college aid. "If you get caught with drugs, you're not able to go to college," he told me.

In other words, many of the problems associated with teen cannabis use are likely a function of the drug's illegal status.

It's impossible to point out all the flaws because the site doesn't let you see the full text unless you pay but the really obvious flaw is that the study doesn't say if the students were "at-risk youths" BEFORE they started smoking. It could be that they turned to drugs because they weren't doing well in school and life in general, instead of the other way around.

 

[GJS]

It's impossible to point out all the flaws because the site doesn't let you see the full text unless you pay but the really obvious flaw is that the study doesn't say if the students were "at-risk youths" BEFORE they started smoking. It could be that they turned to drugs because they weren't doing well in school and life in general, instead of the other way around.

The article is free, and the factors you mentioned/quoted are included in the confounding factors they took into account in the study, outside of teacher bias.

 

[akachan ningen]

The article is free, and the factors you mentioned/quoted are included in the confounding factors they took into account in the study, outside of teacher bias.

You have to register though. f that. So for the the students who did smoke a lot and did badly in school, they did look into if they were already doing badly before they started smoking?

 

[freddy]

I've seen enough people degenerate on weed to know it's not something I'll be encouraging my kids to do. Yea, maybe there are other factors involved but in my eyes it has been the root cause. This is reserved for people I knew smoked it daily or close to it.

 

[genjiZERO]

Even as someone who smokes a fair amount of marijuana as an adult, I think I agree.

There are exceptions of course, but in my personal experience it's the people who started smoking weed at an earlier age who have the most problems with it as adults. Ironically, and on the other hand, the people I know who started drinking at an earlier age are the ones who handle alcohol the best.

 

[Jaladinozozo]

This is an Australian study. Enough reason to take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Mully]

I think it's fine in spurts. Maybe once a week?

I wouldn't say it helps flow the creative juices, but it helps put my anxiety at ease. This ultimately leads to more creative thought.

I'm sure there's proper medicine that could do the same. I'm just not interested in experimenting when it seems like just a hit or two could do what an expensive pill could do for 1/4 of the price.

 

[The Lamp]

pretty sure weed usage at a young age affects brain development or something, right?

 

[HOMEBOY OVER HERE]

just like alcohol, you should be a certain point of maturity before consuming, which the only way that can be enforced in america is through an age system. weed also feels less harmless too while using and it isn't as obvious while on it so kids will probably get really high daily when in high school if given the chance. kinda hard to do that with alcohol.

marijuana is great but for some it's not good.

I'm mostly done forever with it after smoking every day for years. it has the ability to keep you numb from depression but still depressed. better than any antidepressant medication though.

 

[sirap]

There's different strains and mixes of weed. Not all of them make you lazy, some even motivate you to do work and boost your creativity. Unfortunately no one bothers to read about this, all they see is weed : omg get off the couch you lazy fucker!

 

[GJS]

You have to register though. f that. So for the the students who did smoke a lot and did badly in school, they did look into if they were already doing badly before they started smoking?

Thy analysed data from 3 long term studies on people from birth or teen years to ages 28 to 35. This included data on confounding factors, school performance and things such as attention disorders. These were recorded at young ages before participants started smoking cannabis.

They adjusted their data using this where available, so for example those who had poor performance already should not skew the results and produce false significance. I already posted a list of confounding factors they took into account to test the resilience of their study outcomes.

 

[genjiZERO]

I think it's fine in spurts. Maybe once a week?

I wouldn't say it helps flow the creative juices, but it helps put my anxiety at ease. This ultimately leads to more creative thought.

I'm sure there's proper medicine that could do the same. I'm just not interested in experimenting when it seems like just a hit or two could do what an expensive pill could do for 1/4 of the price.

Oh you're almost certainly better off not taking medication. Most meds have serious side effects (an exception is Welbutrin, which I highly recommend).

I use it for similar purposes (and quantity too). I find that it helps "clean the brain" so to speak.

 

[Timeaisis]

But are they not motivated in school because they smoke weed or do they smoke weed because they ate not motivated in school?

 

[HOMEBOY OVER HERE]

There's different strains and mixes of weed. Not all of them make you lazy, some even motivate you to do work and boost your creativity. Unfortunately no one bothers to read about this, all they see is weed : omg get off the couch you lazy fucker!

coming from someone who's smoked a fuck ton of all kinds of pot, I can say I think the whole strain thing is kinda overplayed. I think it just comes down to whether it is an indica or sativa and how dominate cbd or thc is in the strain. all this stuff about how one makes you more creative or more this or more that is silly. It's literally just two different highs and that's it. At least for me. I recall reading something about the whole "strains" things helps brand marijuana.

 

[inner-G]

People with shitty lives do more drugs?

Imagine that.

 

[Kopite]

Smoked it for the first time yesterday, twice the normal dose. Was convinced I wasn't high, went to a film club meeting and watched an hour long movie. When it was finished, the MC said "Did you guys enjoy that 3 minute short?"

 

[Durask]

No, they probably shouldn't, but is the cannabis responsible for the negative outcomes in this case, or is the cannabis use the result of other problems in the teens' lives (socioeconomic issues, family issues, depression)?

Any reasonably serious study is supposed to control for those things.

Looking at the abstract:

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(14)70307-4/abstract

We recorded clear and consistent associations and dose-response relations between the frequency of adolescent cannabis use and all adverse young adult outcomes. After covariate adjustment, compared with individuals who had never used cannabis, those who were daily users before age 17 years had clear reductions in the odds of high-school completion (adjusted odds ratio 0·37, 95% CI 0·20—0·66) and degree attainment (0·38, 0·22—0·66), and substantially increased odds of later cannabis dependence (17·95, 9·44—34·12), use of other illicit drugs (7·80, 4·46—13·63), and suicide attempt (6·83, 2·04—22·90).

They mentioned covariate adjustment so they controlled for at least some of the things.
I can't access full text so I can't comment further.

 

[Durask]

I already posted a list of confounding factors they took into account to test the resilience of their study outcomes.

Oops did not read your post

 

[Man God]

The funniest thing I heard in my life was a week after the legalization took effect in Colorado. during an interview with various experts on NPR the talk came up about this very subject and how they were scared shitless by this and other factors. That's not the funny part, that came when they interviewed kids who were trying to get weed scripts for, get this, ADHD.


Need weed to pay attention!

 

[Durask]

The funniest thing I heard in my life was a week after the legalization took effect in Colorado. during an interview with various experts on NPR the talk came up about this very subject and how they were scared shitless by this and other factors. That's not the funny part, that came when they interviewed kids who were trying to get weed scripts for, get this, ADHD.


Need weed to pay attention!

They probably need weed to calm down after taking too much Adderall.